John David and Abbie Grace 3: Rapture Pending

[onekidanddone]

10 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

You live near me. I think Harris Teeter is pretty reasonable, especially if you use their membership program. I love Wegmans, but don’t go there often. It’s farther away from me and it’s so huge that it feels like a production. (I sometimes break for lunch between non-refrigerated and refrigerated items.)  Trader Joe’s is fun - yummy stuff for good prices - but I’ve always felt that I can’t do all my shopping there. Also, the aisles are small and it gets really crowded. (The Alexandria one is a nightmare on weekends.) Giant and Safeway are average and boring to me, but also not very close to my house.  The closest store is a Food Lion, so it’s not very high-quality, but it’s good for cheap staples. I think the quality has improved since they ended the Bloom (high-end) and Bottom Dollar (low-end) brands and made them all Food Lions. I also often pick up groceries at Costco, Walmart, or Target.

Yea, Food Lion is okay for shelf stable items and paper products, but I don't like to buy their produce or meats. I had a savings card for HT, but lost it and the last time I was there my phone number did't work.  I like Harris Teeter, but it sota fell out of my routine circuit.   

[Sky with diamonds]

John and Abbie look so very happy and comfortable with each other. Amazing to see it. 

[SassyPants]

5 minutes ago, Sky with diamonds said:

John and Abbie look so very happy and comfortable with each other. Amazing to see it. 

I wonder how much being older and out working in the real world as opposed to being locked away in the house, or barely an adult plays into their comfort in and with an interpersonal relationship?

[JermajestyDuggar]

It would be extremely hard to stay “modest” wearing a skirt and riding an ATV like that. She has to be wearing pants. 

[Satan'sFortress]

Such a difference to when Kendra couldn't hold onto Joe's arm when they were roller blading!

[Sky with diamonds]

41 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

I wonder how much being older and out working in the real world as opposed to being locked away in the house, or barely an adult plays into their comfort in and with an interpersonal relationship?

I think it has alot to do with it. 

I just hope there wasn't a chaperone lurking out of the picture. Surely Michelle and JimBob trust John enough...but maybe that is wishful thinking on my part.

[coexist]

On 8/19/2018 at 8:35 AM, Satan'sFortress said:

The reason I hate grocery shopping is (snip)---

• Check the pantry, refrigerator, and storage closets for staples, paper products, toiletries, etc to see what you need to restock, add to list
• Make a menu for the week, check what ingredients are needed, add to list
• Survey family for their various breakfast, lunch and snack requests
• Check food ads for sales
• Clip, sort, and pull appropriate coupons (or nowadays, more likely, upload electronic coupons to my store account)
• Drive to store
• Start shopping, dealing with other people blocking aisles, etc. (drives me CRAZY!)
• Comparison shop on many items--value with sale on one item versus using coupon on another item
• Comparison shop for nutritional information (sugar, fat, and salt content, for example)
• Try not to become overwhelmed with choices (unlike a previous poster, the yogurt aisle gives me nightmares)
• Check expiration dates (when I don't, I almost always go home with at least one expired item)
• Load items onto check-out counter
• Bag groceries (almost never someone there to help)
• PAY FOR THEM (never happens while vacuuming)
• Load them into the car
• Drive home
• Unload everything
• Put it away (snip)

 

This is why I started taking advantage of Walmart's grocery pick-up service. Buy online and the next day I let them bring them out to the car. My anxiety just can't handle most of what you wrote up there, lol! (Edit: Sorry! I forgot that I haven't logged in in a few days and grocery shopping is old news now.)

[justmy2cents]

22 minutes ago, Sky with diamonds said:

I think it has alot to do with it. 

I just hope there wasn't a chaperone lurking out of the picture. Surely Michelle and JimBob trust John enough...but maybe that is wishful thinking on my part.

They were with a group of people including Austin's parents. Probably at Fort Rock.

[onekidanddone]

I like to check out grocery stores and libraries. Gotta find a library where ever I go. One the biggest was in Vancouver BC. Best small town one was Neenah Wisconsin but Brattleboro was also nice.

Forgot to add Juno. Juno’s rocked  

[seashell1025]

In regards to Jd and Abbie and courting boundaries/rules/regulations, I  am sure this has been discussed before, but as the children all continue to get older and court, do we think JB and M will ever get tired of being so involved and loosen up on the middles and the littles relationships in the future?  I mean it seems like things have lessened since the beginning of all the kids starting to court.  I know part of it is the couples boundaries they make up, but you can't tell me that there's not the parents that subtly or maybe not so subtly regulates their courtships.  Thoughts?

[Tangy Bee]

Probably gonna get a down vote. Wishing SO hard that someone will at least kiss before marriage and actually have the guts to admit it and be ok with their decision. Lips, cheek, hand, forehead....feet.

Just now, Tangy Bee said:

Probably gonna get a down vote. Wishing SO hard that someone will at least kiss before marriage and actually have the guts to admit it and be ok with their decision. Lips, cheek, hand, forehead....feet.

Ok maybe kissing the feet are a bit too freaky for an "unmarried" couple.  Forget I even said that!

[eye_browz]

14 hours ago, JoiseyGoil said:

Has this pic been posted yet? Looks like Abbie is allowed to touch John’s tiddies 

I love this couple! Where was this posted?

[Pecansforeveryone]

I love this picture, too. This has been the most relaxed, natural picture I have seen of a Duggar courtship. Is her chest making contact with his back? You guys rock! (For fundies, I mean.) 

[VBOY9977]

22 minutes ago, eye_browz said:

I love this couple! Where was this posted?

Their friend Gabby Patton posted it on Instagram. They went four wheeling with Joy and Austin and Austin’s parents as well. I hadn’t posted it here because Gabby’s instagram is private...but I guess it’s okay since the collage was cropped out to show only John and Abbie’s pic

[Jana814]

8 hours ago, Pecansforeveryone said:

I love this picture, too. This has been the most relaxed, natural picture I have seen of a Duggar courtship. Is her chest making contact with his back? You guys rock! (For fundies, I mean.) 

This is the most relaxed I have ever seen John-David. 

[Satan'sFortress]

22 hours ago, coexist said:

This is why I started taking advantage of Walmart's grocery pick-up service. Buy online and the next day I let them bring them out to the car. My anxiety just can't handle most of what you wrote up there, lol! (Edit: Sorry! I forgot that I haven't logged in in a few days and grocery shopping is old news now.)

Maybe I will check that out. I honestly never considered the grocery pick up before reading here---my own anxiety sort of forces me to be the one to pick out the items, comparison shop, etc. But maybe the pick up might work for paper products, toiletries, some staples.  I'm going to think about this!

[just_ordinary]

On 8/23/2018 at 3:46 AM, seashell1025 said:

In regards to Jd and Abbie and courting boundaries/rules/regulations, I  am sure this has been discussed before, but as the children all continue to get older and court, do we think JB and M will ever get tired of being so involved and loosen up on the middles and the littles relationships in the future?  I mean it seems like things have lessened since the beginning of all the kids starting to court.  I know part of it is the couples boundaries they make up, but you can't tell me that there's not the parents that subtly or maybe not so subtly regulates their courtships.  Thoughts?

I think they are way more involved in the courtships of their daughters (hello double standards). The boys are expected to hold certain rules but I feel like the chaperoning is more a job of the woman’s family. 

It looks like they have loosened up but I have no idea if it is due to be more relaxed (also see their fashion), having learned a lesson or two of Josh and Jill, trying to look more mainstream or being so out of everything and overwhelmed by the sheer number of their brood.

Or maybe it is all just the editing. I work for a tv station and when I learned something than it is that you cannot believe anything you see. We have pretty good and reputable news (something my country is very proud of) but even they know how to cut material to make things look more or less intense.

[Mama Mia]

5 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

Maybe I will check that out. I honestly never considered the grocery pick up before reading here---my own anxiety sort of forces me to be the one to pick out the items, comparison shop, etc. But maybe the pick up might work for paper products, toiletries, some staples.  I'm going to think about this!

You can also just get the groceries delivered to your house. It’s free with two-day shipping from Walmart for a large range of items. Target too. Safeway has deals for free delivery - or it’s about $10. It is harder with the fresh produce from Safeway- sometimes it’s not great. I used to love shopping, but now I have disabilities that make it very difficult. Grocery delivery has been a lifesaver. 

[feministxtian]

11 hours ago, just_ordinary said:

It looks like they have loosened up but I have no idea if it is due to be more relaxed (also see their fashion), having learned a lesson or two of Josh and Jill, trying to look more mainstream or being so out of everything and overwhelmed by the sheer number of their brood.

Or maybe JD and Abbie just don't give a shit

[TheOneAndOnly]

I remember on one episode years ago one of the older kids said that Jim Bob and Michelle behave differently towards the little kids, more like grandparents, than the parents that the older ones grew up with. I'll bet there are some hard feelings from the older ones about that, whether they admit it out loud or not.

John David is an adult with adult real world skills. He could walk out and get a job in any state in the US. He doesn't have to follow anyone's arbitrary rules if he doesn't want to and I'm sure Jim Bob and Michelle know this. Are any of the other boys licenced pilots, because if John David leaves then the Duggar family might have to start flying on commercial airlines.

[viii]

Yes, I have a lot less sympathy for the Duggar boys who choose to remain in such a toxic atmosphere. While I understand that it's challenging and scary to set aside the beliefs that have been drilled into you at such a young age, they are not helpless and they are actually capable of making it out in the "real world". The women involved in this family are set much more at a disadvantage, something that is routinely worked on, imo. There's a reason why they don't let their women have independence, because otherwise they might not have that very many women left, and then who would they marry? 

[HurricaneBells]

6 hours ago, TheOneAndOnly said:

I remember on one episode years ago one of the older kids said that Jim Bob and Michelle behave differently towards the little kids, more like grandparents, than the parents that the older ones grew up with. I'll bet there are some hard feelings from the older ones about that, whether they admit it out loud or not.

I have also heard the older bates kids say that their younger siblings get away with so much more than they did and its exactly that, they are moving into grandparent mode and it shows in their treatment of their youngest ones because they are all pretty much in the same age range! It will be super interesting to see the long term effect of this.

[Mama Mia]

3 hours ago, HurricaneBells said:

I have also heard the older bates kids say that their younger siblings get away with so much more than they did and its exactly that, they are moving into grandparent mode and it shows in their treatment of their youngest ones because they are all pretty much in the same age range! It will be super interesting to see the long term effect of this.

I think that’s pretty common, in a much less exaggerated way, with most families with multiple children. Obviously it’s usually far fewer kids, and generally with a closer age range - but parents tend to be more relaxed with younger children. A negative spin could be that they are just too run down to keep up- a more positive spin is that they’ve realized that minor things just aren’t that important, and to pick their battles. Generally a mix of both, IME. 

[just_ordinary]

11 hours ago, TheOneAndOnly said:

John David is an adult with adult real world skills. He could walk out and get a job in any state in the US. He doesn't have to follow anyone's arbitrary rules if he doesn't want to and I'm sure Jim Bob and Michelle know this. Are any of the other boys licenced pilots, because if John David leaves then the Duggar family might have to start flying on commercial airlines.

Yes, he could. But he chose to stay, marry a Fundie woman and obviously stick to most of the crazy courtship rules. So he either buys heavily into his parents lifestyle (not for everything but mostly) or he does it for tv money- which would make him a big ass hypocrite and I would never trust anything he says. 

So where is he different from his siblings?  JinJer had a hell lot of touching going on too.

Marrying later doesn’t mean he waited on purpose. It could just mean he didn’t find someone he fell in love with.

[bal maiden]

What's the motivation for JD to leave the lifestyle? He gets to get a wife to cook, clean, birth, and do the childcare. He gets to do stuff he (presumably) enjoys and is fulfilled by, like flying his own plane, firing guns at coloured powder, and his law enforcement role. He has access to money and resources under his current life circumstances. I'm making a set of assumptions here, of course, such as that he is straight and not a secret critical thinking atheist feminist socialist. But he really doesn't give me the sense of someone who is chafing against any constraints imposed by his/his parents' beliefs. I don't see him and Abbie as the ones to dramatically break away, even if she is snuggling his back pre-marriage.