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3 hours ago, JordynDarby5 said:

Oh, she definitely will. I know in the beginning of the marriage or engagement they said she'd never be Queen but I never believed that. I always thought that was either a lie or something they said to pacify people and were betting that after time people wouldn't care anymore. After a decade or so married that's a lot people commenting or caring. I imagine by the time it actually comes (assuming the Queen doesn't live until 150 or forever and Charles is still around) no one will care and she'll be Queen. 

Yeah, I think the plan was always to make her Queen. I know that they agreed she wouldn’t if it meant they’d marry, but I think Charles has every intention of making her Queen. 

However, I do think they will face a certain amount of criticism from that choice. They may have been married 10+ years, but Diana is still a huge deal to people (look how many people wanted Charlotte to be named Diana). There will be flack, but it’s still going to happen. 

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3 hours ago, JordynDarby5 said:

I always wondered if he lived longer too if he'd actually go through with it. I know some authors had wondered if he would do it. He kept putting it off. He always said he would and it would have been really great if he had. That would have taken away half of Nicholas's problems plus Alexander was stronger to deal with any fall out from it or any parts that needed to be fixed or addressed by the time it was Nicholas turn that would have been going on for a couple decades.  Nicholas probably would be been a much better constitutionial monarch.  

I'd love to read the article and see if I can try and find it too. The Russo-Japanese exposed the myth of the Russian Army and began what started to expose how ineffective Nicholas was. Then came the peaceful march that ended with a lot of innocent people shot and killed for nothing. They didn't even start anything. And Nicholas does nothing. The strikes that followed the rest of the year continued to show how weak Nicholas is. He only agrees to the Duma because he has no choice and to buy time. He messes with the Duma until he gets one that'll do what he wants. He messes with the Duma's power stripping it of its power.  By that point the people know he's not going to give up all his power, he's not going to honor any agreement he makes in regards to the Duma or rights of his people. Who's going to believe him at that point?  

That would have helped things out a lot. Michael and Beatrice's heirs could have followed after Alexei less to worry about. If he wasn't such a stickler and so stubborn. When your looking at your heirs and realizing there's not a whole lot of names listed. That's when you think something needs to change or fixed. Marrying a first cousin his hardly surprising in their circles. You'd think Nicholas would agree seeing how people weren't exactly thrilled at his choice in marriage. Worries over Alix's shyness and other things which aren't exactly what an Empress needs. But nope he said no. Then he's surprised when his brother elopes with Natalia. What did he really expect? He rejected a Princess who else is there for them to marry?

It's been debated in various circles but I think in the end Alexander II would have gone through with it, mostly because it seems that his final years were consumed with lust for his "darling Katya" above all else. It makes you wonder. How did he have all this time to rule a massive country while writing out 20+ page letters to his lover daily, sketching pornographic pictures, and trying to keep some semblance of family life?

Nicholas was much like his cousin George V. Wanted to just be in the countryside, shooting pheasants and whatever else English countrymen did in those days. I often wonder how Alexandra went from being the favorite granddaughter of a constitutional and liberal leaning monarch to someone obsessed with her husband keeping his absolute power at any cost.

That being said Nicholas and Alexandra were extremely religious and there were likely other issues at play. Yes Alexandra embraced Orthodoxy to the point that it crossed into fundamentalism. However her cousin Victoria Melita was more interested in Grand Duke Kirill than her husband, who happened to be Alexandra's own brother. Who was Victoria Melita's sister? Beatrice. Nothing worse than a family member scorned in Romanov circles. They are all still in-fighting to this day over a non-existent throne. Although once "Grand Duchess" Maria passes it might be a bit different.

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I think Alexandra was pretty ripe for fundamentalism. She had a melancholy mother who she lost at a young age, along with a sister, all the while going through the same deadly disease. Then her father was rather depressed afterwards, which didn't help. She was always a tad dreamy  and shy, and wasn't really encouraged in intellectual pursuits. Being thrust into the spotlight at the center of the Russian monarchy and then having the stress of producing a on definitely pushed her to the edge. Knowing she'd produced an unhealthy son was what pushed her over into fundamentalism. 

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I think she had delved into fundamentalism before Alexei's birth. His illness just reinforced it. The Montenegro princesses who married Romanov Grand Dukes introduced Alexandra to mystics prior to Alexei's birth. The canonization of Seraphim of Sarov was pushed by Nicholas and Alexandra prior to Alexei's birth since it was promised that if he was canonized, they would conceive a son. That was controversial since royalty wasn't supposed to interfere with the process of canonization.

This is all starting to remind me of the rumors around Stephanie and Guillaume in Luxembourg for some reason.

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Stephanie and Guillaume have been married nearly 8 years with no pregnancy in sight which is basically unheard of for a royal couple, esp an heir and spouse. So of course people are making up wild theories. Most likely one or the other is not able and adoption, surrogates, and other modern methods are not possible for them because of  Royal policy so there they are. 

Or  pretty unlikely but they just choose child free which would be amazing for an heir couple but family is secure with his brothers children so it’s not blatantly reckless or irresponsible of them either if that’s the case.

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Stephanie is rumored to be extremely Catholic, to the point that she was considering becoming a nun prior to marrying Gui. The rumor I heard is that the Lux family are extremely conservative Catholics to the point Stephanie wouldn't be able to undergo IVF.

The whole situation in Lux is odd. It would be fine if Stephanie and Gui don't have children but it looks like no one else is interested in the job. Louis and his sons are not in the line of succession. Felix and Claire don't live in Lux, seem to have little interest in living in Lux in the future, and it's looking likely that Amalia and Liam (the eventual heir and spare at the moment) won't be raised in Lux either. I wonder at what point these people go "Eff this. I'd rather be a plumber than royalty".

It's a hilarious contrast to their Hapsburg relatives who parade around Europe like they're still reigning royalty and want to be treated as such. Current royalty doesn't want the job? Former royalty does. So bizarre.

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 There will have been plenty of discussion in the family whispered and not about the fact that children for The heir couple Are looking increasingly unlikely and it will fall to Félix and Claire to rear their daughter as next Grandduchesss of Luxembourg appropriately no matter what personal wishes they might have. 

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I can see Felix renouncing his succession rights for himself and his descendants if it Stephanie and Gui don't have a child any time soon. I don't think Henri and Maria Teresa would object too loudly if he did either. I get the impression that Henri and Maria Teresa prize their children's wishes and happiness above the monarchy.

Not like it matters. They're not going to get another Grand Duchess like Maria Teresa. I'm fully a republican but I really like what I've seen of Maria Teresa.

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If it’s like Britain Felix can only only renounce himself. He can’t make that choice for his children. His brother Louis did because of a Morganic Marriage.

 

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On 11/19/2018 at 8:27 PM, Lyle Lanley said:

The rumor I heard is that the Lux family are extremely conservative Catholics to the point Stephanie wouldn't be able to undergo IVF.

I remember a similar discussion on the Duggar threads, but don't quite recall the argumentation behind it.

Why would Stéphanie not be able to undergo IVF? ?

As for my favourite Royals, I'd have to pick Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.

She seems like a very sweet person, hardworking, humble, regal in her behaviour and appearance, but seems modern and approachable at the same time. Her children appear to be brought up in an excellent way, included in public events from very early on so that they grow up to be comfortable around people, and yet private enough to allow them a "normal" childhood.

I'd like to be friends with her and be invited to some of those wonderful glitzy tiara events that the Swedes do so well.

 

And I've advocated this before, but I'd really love a series about the Habsburgs. Lots of amazing characters and interesting stories that span many centuries and several continents.

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2 hours ago, SweetJuly said:

I remember a similar discussion on the Duggar threads, but don't quite recall the argumentation behind it.

Why would Stéphanie not be able to undergo IVF? ?

As for my favourite Royals, I'd have to pick Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.

She seems like a very sweet person, hardworking, humble, regal in her behaviour and appearance, but seems modern and approachable at the same time. Her children appear to be brought up in an excellent way, included in public events from very early on so that they grow up to be comfortable around people, and yet private enough to allow them a "normal" childhood.

I'd like to be friends with her and be invited to some of those wonderful glitzy tiara events that the Swedes do so well.

 

And I've advocated this before, but I'd really love a series about the Habsburgs. Lots of amazing characters and interesting stories that span many centuries and several continents.

I believe that very adherent Catholics oppose IVF because the remaining embryos could be destroyed. I think it has to do with life beginning at conception or something along those lines. I’m clearly not very positive about that though. ?

I feel very strongly for all the wives of Henry VIII. All of them got a raw deal in some ways, some definitely worse than others. I feel like they were each interesting women in their own rights - though they’ve mostly been sentenced to being known simply as “Wife”* and having their accomplishments and unique histories pretty much overlooked by the general public. 

*I’m not saying that’s a bad title to have. I like being a wife myself. But it is bad when that’s the only thing pop culture remembers you for. A women’s identity should be more than her marital status. 

And I agree with everyone about Eleanor of Aquitaine. She was definitely no wall flower and absolutely lived a pretty adventurous and fascinating life. 

I don’t know very much about other royal families unfortunately. I’d eventually like to expand my knowledge to other families than the Tudors, but that might need to wait for a bit. Recommendations as always welcome though. I have read about Elisabeth of Bavaria a bit though. My Grandma gave me a book on her when I was a teenager because part of my dad’s side originally came from Bavaria and because my Grandma had traveled to Budapest around that time and it touched her that she still seemed rather loved by the people there. She lived a rather sad life and struggled a lot with mental illness. It’s easy to feel a bit of sympathy for her, even if I don’t like how she seemed to play favorites among her children. 

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On Kate and Will’s 8th anniversary today, the Queen has appointed Kate to the Royal Victorian Order - she will be a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO).  GCVO awards are apparently made by the Queen personally, for services to her.  

Altho I don’t know much about it, it seems this is considered a real honour.  

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The Queen shows her appreciation for the Royal work her family does by bestowing this order.Most of her immediate family, including Camilla have earned it.  Meghan has not yet. Palace staff and employees get lesser orders for service.

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On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 2:37 AM, SweetJuly said:

I remember a similar discussion on the Duggar threads, but don't quite recall the argumentation behind it.

Why would Stéphanie not be able to undergo IVF? ?

As for my favourite Royals, I'd have to pick Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.

She seems like a very sweet person, hardworking, humble, regal in her behaviour and appearance, but seems modern and approachable at the same time. Her children appear to be brought up in an excellent way, included in public events from very early on so that they grow up to be comfortable around people, and yet private enough to allow them a "normal" childhood.

I'd like to be friends with her and be invited to some of those wonderful glitzy tiara events that the Swedes do so well.

 

And I've advocated this before, but I'd really love a series about the Habsburgs. Lots of amazing characters and interesting stories that span many centuries and several continents.

I really like Princess Victoria too. 

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 5:14 AM, VelociRapture said:

I believe that very adherent Catholics oppose IVF because the remaining embryos could be destroyed. I think it has to do with life beginning at conception or something along those lines. I’m clearly not very positive about that though. ?

I feel very strongly for all the wives of Henry VIII. All of them got a raw deal in some ways, some definitely worse than others. I feel like they were each interesting women in their own rights - though they’ve mostly been sentenced to being known simply as “Wife”* and having their accomplishments and unique histories pretty much overlooked by the general public. 

*I’m not saying that’s a bad title to have. I like being a wife myself. But it is bad when that’s the only thing pop culture remembers you for. A women’s identity should be more than her marital status. 

And I agree with everyone about Eleanor of Aquitaine. She was definitely no wall flower and absolutely lived a pretty adventurous and fascinating life. 

I don’t know very much about other royal families unfortunately. I’d eventually like to expand my knowledge to other families than the Tudors, but that might need to wait for a bit. Recommendations as always welcome though. I have read about Elisabeth of Bavaria a bit though. My Grandma gave me a book on her when I was a teenager because part of my dad’s side originally came from Bavaria and because my Grandma had traveled to Budapest around that time and it touched her that she still seemed rather loved by the people there. She lived a rather sad life and struggled a lot with mental illness. It’s easy to feel a bit of sympathy for her, even if I don’t like how she seemed to play favorites among her children. 

I learned about Elisabeth of Bavaria from The Royal Diaries a spin off on Dear American book series they both featured girls from different time periods except DA were fiction while the Royal Diaries featured real princesses from different time periods for girls or Young Adult including Elisabeth.  Afterwards I went and found a biography on her. I feel a little sorry for her too. She was so loved by her people but had problems. I don't like how she played favorites among her children either or having little sympathy for her daughter-in-law.  

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The town I was born and grow up is Gotha, part of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and it has a lot of very fascinating royals besides the one's that where more famous thanks to becoming Kings and Queens in other parts of Europe. It started as just Saxe- Gotha in 1640 when the duchy was created and the first ruler is still quiet known. When he got the duchy Germany was in the last years of the 30 years war and the town was affected by it, but he got it flourishing. He was also a great proponend for education and put up one of the first public education systems and it was told that by his death, you wouldn't find any citizen of him not able the read or write. But was also fond of micro- managing his citizens . And he was also very stingy, one year he gifted his wife, the mother of his 18 children only a dairy cow. Said wife was also the only surviving child of his father-in-law and with the death of the last duke of Saxe- Altenburg, his wife's cousin, he inherited the duchy of Saxe- Altenburg, so his duchy then became Saxe- Gotha- Altenburg.

The good finances his father left upon his death where ruined with his eldest son and heir of the title, Friedrich. He ruined the finances with creating a standing army of 10,000 men, something far beyond what the small duchy could carry. His son, Friedrich II, continued the spending habits of his father and even enlarged the army even more. His solution, he rented his soldiers out to other monarchs. But that put him in hot water with the emporer, because he rented the army to the french king who used them against the troops of the emporer. Thanks to the heirless death of the Duke of Saxe- Coburg he was able to enlarge the duchy. His son, Friedrich III (not very creative with names, I know) continued with the renting out of the army, but this time to the german emporer and the King of Prussia to his benefit. His wife was far more intelligent then him, where pen pals with Voltaire and other great thinkers of her time. She was highly educated and made Gotha a cultural center. Only 2 of their 9 children survived their parents. His son and heir Ernst II got a high quality education overseen by his mother and was a life- long lover of science, a promoter of education and made Gotha one of the european centre's for astronomy. Part of his collection can still be visited in the museum here.

He was followed by his son, August, the grandfather of Albert of Saxe- Coburg and Gotha, husband of Queen Victoria. He, like his father was highly educated and carried quiet some liberal ideas in his youth and was pretty chumy with Napoleon, but still choose sides against him in the Napoleonic war. His only child was a girl, so he was succeded by his younger brother Friedrich IV after his death, wich was also the last Duke of Saxe- Gotha- Altenburg.

The story of August I only child Luise is very sad. She married her first husband, Ernst I at 17, he was 16 years her senior and the marriage was unhappy. She birthed him her 2 sons, Ernst and Albert, while her husband cheated on her. After it was discovered that she also had lovers, they seperated in 1824. But he forced her to leave her 2 young sons behind, she never saw them again, because her husband refused her visits and even pictures of her sons. But he waited with the divorce until her uncle died without an heir so he could enlarge his duchy and create the Duchy of Saxe- Coburg and Gotha. They where divorced against her will in 1826 and 7 months later she married her lover Alexander von Hanstein in secret. They could keep it a secret for 5 years, but it created an uproar when it became public. But she died a few months after that at age 30 of cancer, she never saw her sons again. Ernst I second wife, Marie,  became the beloved stepmother of her husbands sons, but the marriage was childless, as was the marriage of Albert's brother, Ernst II . Thanks to his brother being the husband of the english Queen gave him a rather unique standing in politics for such a small german duchy. But he also inherited his fathers liking for women and it is speculated that he contracted a vineral desease which he gave his wife and that rendered her infertile.

His succesor was Queen Victoria's second born son, Alfred. He himself was not very keen on the idea to become his uncle's heir and had a successfull career in the Royal British Navy before becoming the ruling Duke. His marriage was unhappy and his only surviving son and heir died 2 weeks after trying to commit suicide over a scandal involving his mistress. His daughter, Victoria Melitta divorced her first husband to marry her second husband, with whom she fell in love as a teenager. That was quiete a scandal. The family was against that match then because he was russian- orthodox and she protestant.

And now to the last ruling Duke, Carl Eduard. Like his uncle, he was also a british born prince. After he was decleared the heir of his uncle, Emporer Wilhelm II demanded that he had to continue his education in Germany, since he would become a german duke, rather than a british. His education in becoming german was very successfull, he trained with the german military and by 1914 with the start of WWI, he was a staunch german loyalist and proudly fought on the german side. He was the main reason the british royals changed their name in 1917, because the planes that where build in Gotha where used to strategic bombing over England. For his active role he was striped of all his british titles after the war in 1919. But before that happened, he was forced to abdicate and lost his rights as a Duke and most of his castles and land. Later in live he became a staunch supporter of Hitler and joined the SS. His daughter Sibylla was the mother of the now ruling swedish king, but never became a Queen herself, because her husband died before ascending the trone.

 

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On 5/6/2019 at 11:55 AM, JordynDarby5 said:

I really like Princess Victoria too. 

I learned about Elisabeth of Bavaria from The Royal Diaries a spin off on Dear American book series they both featured girls from different time periods except DA were fiction while the Royal Diaries featured real princesses from different time periods for girls or Young Adult including Elisabeth.  Afterwards I went and found a biography on her. I feel a little sorry for her too. She was so loved by her people but had problems. I don't like how she played favorites among her children either or having little sympathy for her daughter-in-law.  

Those books were my jam! I read one on Elizabeth I and that’s what kickstarted my royalty love, especially the Tudor era. 

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On 12/31/2019 at 7:44 PM, viii said:

Those books were my jam! I read one on Elizabeth I and that’s what kickstarted my royalty love, especially the Tudor era. 

I loved them. It was so much fun reading about different princesses and eras. Elizabeth I's diary was one of my favorites. Cleopatra's was good too. I hadn't known until that one that Cleopatra had sisters and what happened to them. Poison, beheaded, and poor Arsinoe. Talk about one messed up family.  Learning about  Jahanara, Kaiulani, and Sondok. Each book made me want to go look up more information about them. 

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On 10/25/2018 at 2:43 AM, omilona said:

Love royal dish. But again, she campaigned long and hard to be Miss Slitz  Magazine's Centerfold of the year.  A title she was very proud of, which in her engagement interview, said she regretted it not at all. Or all the other porn pictures starting with the bondage ones in Thailand when she was a teenager, which she had to have her parents explicit permission to do. She's gross.

Or maybe some people just have a very prudish attitude? Posing for an adult magazin or shooting explicit photos may not be my cup of tea but here we have a woman owning her own right to present her body in a sexual way and she still has to face slut shaming.

She didn’t shoot porn and even if she did- as long as it was her free decision who are we to judge that. She didn’t harm anyone with those actions. 
The Swedish monarchy has started to reduce their working members in excluding CPs and Madeleines children for now. When Victoria accessions to the throne she might decide to decrease her siblings role even further.

I would take her any day over Madeleine and Chris. She should give up her title and her children’s titles or at least stop getting apanage. And while I respect that her daughter seems to be a strong willed child and they do good in not breaking her will, their children seem to run wild all the time. My guess is that at least she is overcompensating because of her own much stricter upbringing.

And I would take all of them over those pirates that call themselves Princes of Monaco.

 

I think it’s pretty sad that it’s still the women that get gossiped about. They are the ones to face scrutiny especially on the internet by other women. As long as that is the norm we stand no chance in fighting sexism and such by men. We women are our own worst enemy.

That doesn’t mean we have to agree with the choices of others but we should be more careful how we talk about them.

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10 hours ago, just_ordinary said:

Or maybe some people just have a very prudish attitude? Posing for an adult magazin or shooting explicit photos may not be my cup of tea but here we have a woman owning her own right to present her body in a sexual way and she still has to face slut shaming.

She didn’t shoot porn and even if she did- as long as it was her free decision who are we to judge that. She didn’t harm anyone with those actions. 

You're not going to legitimately say that it's prudish to criticize what would've been defined as child p0rn - underage bondage photos? 

I had a combination of pity and dislike for Sofia when she and CP started hooking up (and she made that immediate and bizarre announcement of same on her social media).  She's a woman who seemed sexually taken advantage of in her teen years and embraced that as her primary value at the time.  Her charity that initially went to her personal account was pretty shady too.

That said, she has acted perfectly  since marriage IMO.    It's incredible how she's transformed into an elegant but inscrutable royal.  That's got to take some strength of character and brains. 

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She was A Resourceful Hustler who meant  to take care of Number one by doing what had to do. It’s not pretty but it’s true. Now she does not have to with a loving incredibly rich family behind her and has fit in beautifully. 


 

 

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On 1/8/2020 at 2:53 AM, JordynDarby5 said:

I loved them. It was so much fun reading about different princesses and eras. Elizabeth I's diary was one of my favorites. Cleopatra's was good too. I hadn't known until that one that Cleopatra had sisters and what happened to them. Poison, beheaded, and poor Arsinoe. Talk about one messed up family.  Learning about  Jahanara, Kaiulani, and Sondok. Each book made me want to go look up more information about them. 

I still have my collection somewhere. I want to buy the rest that I didn't get as a child and give them someday to my niece. 

As for Sofia of Sweden... I love her. She seems badass. 

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I’m not really a fan of any particular royal, but I’d love to see a series set in Edwardian times. He was a guy that lead a life made for a TV soap opera. 

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