Thai boys stuck in cave

[HarryPotterFan]

10 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

That's the thing, no time to quick build.  Even if they do, it must be built in Thailand because there is definitely no time for shipping.   They do have hand held propeller type things.  I've seen them on FB.  I think those were prototypes tho, maybe not.  Still, ship them over!   

Elon Musk said on twitter that it takes 8 hours to build, then 17 hours to ship.

Even if this does work, I think it could only hold one boy at a time. That’s going to be a long time to get each one to safety.

[Rachel333]

They're trying to rescue them right now: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_New_Post

[Rachel333]

It looks like they've had lower than expected rains and have been able to reduce the water level, so right now is their best shot at getting the boys out.

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It seems the boys may not need to have dive at all, though this has not been 100% confirmed by officials.

“Although there are some slightly difficult parts that we have to bend or crawl [in] we can say that we can just walk through,” Narongsak Osatanakorn, former governor of Chiang Rai province, who is heading up the rescue operation said of conditions in the cave.

“We have done extremely well as yesterday we were able to reduce the water level by 30cm, the record of what we’ve achieved.”

 

[VelociRapture]

7 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

They're trying to rescue them right now: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_New_Post

I just woke up to this news courtesy of my husband. These boys have some of the best divers possible to help them and I’m still worried sick about their chances. I really really hope everything goes ok - what a horrific situation for all the people involved. 

[Kangaroo]

Local media has begun reporting that two boys have successfully made it out and are being treated at the cave entrance, though there is not official confirmation yet.

Most media has been moved approximately 3km (1.8 miles) away, but there is one Thai crew that have permission to film and distribute any footage if they are rescued.

I'm going to bed now, but I sincerely hope tomorrow when I wake up that they are all safe and sound and we can all celebrate good news.

[VelociRapture]

38 minutes ago, Kangaroo said:

Local media has begun reporting that two boys have successfully made it out and are being treated at the cave entrance, though there is not official confirmation yet.

Most media has been moved approximately 3km (1.8 miles) away, but there is one Thai crew that have permission to film and distribute any footage if they are rescued.

I'm going to bed now, but I sincerely hope tomorrow when I wake up that they are all safe and sound and we can all celebrate good news.

Here you go:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/rescuers-begin-process-removing-boys-cave-thailand-035503585--abc-news-topstories.html

One of my former teacher’s posted there were four boys rescued, but I haven’t seen that number pop up. Keep your fingers crossed everyone!!!!

ETA: @catlady Read the last two comments. Two boys have been rescued already!  

Edited July 8, 2018 by VelociRapture

[catlady]

There was just an update on my local station that says they are starting the process today.  it will take up to four days, they will take the kids out one at at a time, and each will be accompanied by two divers.  They expect the first one to be out this evening.

[AmazonGrace]

Six boys are out already. (Reuters)

So happy.

Edited July 8, 2018 by AmazonGrace

[tabitha2]

If all continues well Being kids they will probably soon see this as the coolest story ever, brag about how brave they were and enjoy the media attention immensely  and they get to Go to the World Cup Final now as well

Edited July 8, 2018 by tabitha2

[Briefly]

12 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

Elon Musk is now trying to build a tiny submarine... https://mashable.com/2018/07/07/elon-musk-spacex-submarine-rescue-thailand-soccer-team-kids/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#pCykbXs8U5q0

It will be carried by divers and small enough to fit through cramped areas. I’m not sure if this is really feasible? He’s definitely tying to come up with new ideas. I hope one works and can be used ASAP.

He may be grasping at straws out of desperation, but at least he is trying to come up with something.  I'm almost afraid to turn the tv on lately, because I'm afraid that the news will be bad.

I just checked on msn for any news.  There is a rescue effort underway and at least some of them have been rescued.  I'm posting this now but there will be updates later.  I have not actually read this, I just wanted to post a positive update:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-thai-schoolboys-rescued-from-flooded-cave/ar-AAzII8g?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Rachel333]

I was so happy to wake up to the news that some of the boys are out safely. It looks like this is going better than expected so far.

[nausicaa]

19 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

I was so happy to wake up to the news that some of the boys are out safely. It looks like this is going better than expected so far.

This was great news to wake up to! 

Each rescue is taking about 11 hours. So here's hoping the rains hold off. I am really pleasantly shocked. 

Some things are finally going their way:

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“Although there are some slightly difficult parts that we have to bend or crawl [in] we can say that we can just walk through,” Narongsak Osatanakorn, former governor of Chiang Rai province, who is heading up the rescue operation said of conditions in the cave.

“We have done extremely well as yesterday we were able to reduce the water level by 30cm, the record of what we’ve achieved.”

 

And it looks like they are unsurprisingly sending the strongest and best swimmers first. I still worry about the later ones in the groups. 

(I read the above in an NBC News report, but it looks like the BBC is reporting they are sending the weakest first.)

Edited July 8, 2018 by nausicaa

[HarryPotterFan]

I just came here to post. There are conflicting reports about whether 4 or 6 boys have been rescued so far. They’re starting with the weakest, conditions now are better than they have been so far.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/44755093?ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews

[Kailash]

1 hour ago, tabitha2 said:

If all continues well Being kids they will probably soon see this as the coolest story ever, brag about how brave they were and enjoy the media attention immensely  and they get to Go to the World Cup Final now as well

Um, no. From what I’ve read these boys are between 11-16 years old. I read somewhere that they expect at least half of them to suffer PTSD or have other mental issues trying to deal with this. This isn’t a big adventure. The boys will have to deal with the death of the navy Seal on their behalf. They may have lasting physical health issues from lack of food, water and oxygen. 

This will not be “the coolest story” ever. Hopefully all the rescuers, boys and their coach make it out alive.

[Rachel333]

3 minutes ago, HarryPotterFan said:

I just came here to post. There are conflicting reports about whether 4 or 6 boys have been rescued so far. They’re starting with the weakest, conditions now are better than they have been so far.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/44755093?ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews

I've been following the updates at The Guardian, who are reporting 4 boys are out.

I'm glad to hear they started with the weakest; that makes me feel more optimistic about the boys still in there.

I read this article about the coach. I didn't realize he had been a monk for many years.

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According to rescue officials, he is among the weakest in the group, in part because he gave the boys his share of the limited food and water they had with them in the early days. He also taught the boys how to meditate and how to conserve as much energy as possible until they were found. 

“If he didn’t go with them, what would have happened to my child?” said the mother of Pornchai Khamluang, one of the boys in the cave, in an interview with a Thai television network. “When he comes out, we have to heal his heart. My dear Ek, I would never blame you.”

Ekapol was an orphan who lost his parents at age 10, friends say. He then trained to be a monk but left the monastery to care for his ailing grandmother in Mae Sai in northern Thailand. There, he split his time between working as a temple hand at a monastery and training the newly established Moo Pa team. He found kindred spirits in the boys, many of whom had grown up poor or were stateless ethnic minorities, common in this border area between Myanmar and Thailand. 

I read somewhere else that he made sure the boys were drinking the water dripping down the cave walls and not the muddy water around them. That alone could have saved their lives since that might not be something the kids would have thought of.

[WiseGirl]

Latest update I saw were officially 4 boys out, unconfirmed that 6 are out. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live

 

[tabitha2]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/read-letters-boys-trapped-cave-thailand-parents-090404963--abc-news-topstories.html

[PurpleCats]

This story gives me hope.  Look at how strangers have volunteered and rallied around these boys. Strangers are risking their lives for humans they don’t know.

[Loveday]

I'm so relieved to hear the boys are in process of being rescued right now. I've been having really bad feelings about this for the past few days, especially whenever the news media talked up the likelihood of monsoon rains hitting any time. I know they have to mention that possibility, but I feel so bad for the parents of those boys, knowing that time is running out. Hopefully all of them will be rescued quickly without any mishaps and no more deaths. 

1 hour ago, Kailash said:

Um, no. From what I’ve read these boys are between 11-16 years old. I read somewhere that they expect at least half of them to suffer PTSD or have other mental issues trying to deal with this. This isn’t a big adventure. The boys will have to deal with the death of the navy Seal on their behalf. They may have lasting physical health issues from lack of food, water and oxygen. 

This will not be “the coolest story” ever. Hopefully all the rescuers, boys and their coach make it out alive.

Completely agree with this. Will they have moments where they think, wow, that was amazing, we survived! Woo hoo! And we get to go to the World Cup! Yay!  Sure. But those will probably be just the first few moments of the rest of their lives. The horror of this, the realisation of what happened and what else might have happened to them, is going to stay with them forever. 

[freejugar]

It's so refreshing to hear a happy news story for a change! I hope they all make it safely

[LiterallyBananas]

2 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

I've been following the updates at The Guardian, who are reporting 4 boys are out.

I'm glad to hear they started with the weakest; that makes me feel more optimistic about the boys still in there.

I read this article about the coach. I didn't realize he had been a monk for many years.

I read somewhere else that he made sure the boys were drinking the water dripping down the cave walls and not the muddy water around them. That alone could have saved their lives since that might not be something the kids would have thought of.

From one of the articles @Rachel333 shared (I didn't realize the links don't link in a quote... idk computers and words are apparently a challenge for me today) -

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He found kindred spirits in the boys, many of whom had grown up poor or were stateless ethnic minorities, common in this border area between Myanmar and Thailand.

Sex trafficking isn't what you think it is - Meghan Sobel

Interesting TEDx talk I watched the other day that discussed social issues at the border between Thailand and Myanmar. It's not uncommon for stateless minorities to be forced into the sex trade to earn money for their families. From what I understand, they're often boys the same age as those on the soccer team. 

Either way, the coach sounds like a loving soul who's been invaluable to the team and community.

Edited July 8, 2018 by LiterallyBananas
realized what I said made no sense without context, duh

[candygirl200413]

Orange fuckface tweeted this morning about how "he's monitoring the situation" but I highly doubt the US sent anyone. So far I heard it's been various Europeans and an Australian doctor who is also there?

[LiterallyBananas]

Wait... links do link in a quote. I'm riding the struggle bus today.

(Off topic and I'm sure no one is particularly enthralled by my formatting issues. )

4 minutes ago, candygirl200413 said:

Orange fuckface tweeted this morning about how "he's monitoring the situation" but I highly doubt the US sent anyone. So far I heard it's been various Europeans and an Australian doctor who is also there?

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/7/5/17532464/thai-soccer-team-cave-rescue-diving-monsoon (updated July 6)

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But the effort swiftly became an international collaboration. The US sent 30 people, including 17 members of the Air Force. Rescuers joined from Australia, Japan, China, Myanmar, and Laos. The British Cave Rescue Council headed the cave exploration that eventually found them.

According to the Times, the two civilian divers from England,

When they found the missing boys and the coach, they were huddled on a rock above the water, smiling but emaciated.

Footage of that moment — published on the Thai Navy SEALs’ Facebook page — has 23 million views. Over muffled audio, you can hear one of the rescuers telling the boys, “You have been here 10 days. 10 days. You are very strong, very strong.”

 

From what I've read, a majority of those assisting are from Europe, but the US has sent people.

[dharmapunk]

4 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

I read this article about the coach. I didn't realize he had been a monk for many years.

I read somewhere else that he made sure the boys were drinking the water dripping down the cave walls and not the muddy water around them. That alone could have saved their lives since that might not be something the kids would have thought of.

The fact that the coach is an ex monk is not that unusual for Thailand. Many men become monks for a limited period, it is an old tradition in Buddhist countries. Him being trained in meditation techniques must be useful in this situation. Meditation can really help with staying calm and focused.

While it was stupid of him to bring the boys into the cave in the first place, it seems he has also been doing his best to keep them going until they were found. It will be very difficult for him to live with the knowledge of the consequences of his poor judgement.

[Rachel333]

14 minutes ago, dharmapunk said:

The fact that the coach is an ex monk is not that unusual for Thailand. Many men become monks for a limited period, it is an old tradition in Buddhist countries. Him being trained in meditation techniques must be useful in this situation. Meditation can really help with staying calm and focused.

True (I learned this from the Thai student we had live with us for a while when I was a kid, actually--he told us stories from his monk days!), but he was an orphan and it sounds like he lived as a monk a lot longer than most, which I thought was an interesting back story.