John David and Abbie Grace Engaged 2: Planes, petals, and proposals

[CarrotCake]

1 minute ago, Italiangirl said:

Maybe it will be another courtship? 

Who knows with them is not that logic is their major thing

That could be. That would definitely beat the engagement.

Maybe it is the mystery girl on the pictures of JB's birthday.

[potato]

Awww, this is cute news to start off the day.  I hope they have a happy marriage.

[frugalitymom]

I’m so happy for them and they definitely seem to be in love and very comfortable together.

[Meggo]

19 hours ago, Themanda Duggar said:

I don’t think JB is especially concerned about John and Abby being alone together.  It’s not like Abby can knock John up, and if it happens to her, then the shame will be on her and her family, because the poor Duggar son would have clearly been defrauded.

 

I don't think being alone together means they'll get knocked up. (altho I'm sure in Duggarland they think it does) but maybe they could just have an ACTUAL conversation about what they really want in life. She can say "Look - I worked hard in school to have this be my job and I'd like to NOT pop out babies right away and retire - let's wait a year or two. Let's travel!"

And maybe - MAYBE they can kiss - and give hugs. There are ways to show affection between hand holding (ala Josh & Anna - barf) and full on (whispers) s-e-x...

[libgirl2]

13 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

Poor Esther really got thrown to the Lying King. Anna was given to a lying porn loving cheating cocksplat, fundie fathers? Aye right. 

Jim Bob dry humps Meeechelle in public on camera in front of his own teenage daughter?

My parents only attended church for christenings, marriages and funerals. They weren't perfect but they weren't hypocrites either. That's a better virtue than J-B, Mr Keller or DRod, Gil Bates etc have. 

( apologise for the ramble , had wine and lost both my parents this June and July).

I am so sorry. I can understand. My mother has dementia and is mentally no longer with us. My dad has terminal brain cancer and is in hospice. My parents weren't overtly religious but hung unto being Catholic. 

[singsingsing]

I know people want to believe that the Duggars no longer announce courtships until it's really serious and they know it's leading to marriage, but I just don't see that and I don't think it's the case. I used to believe they were going to adopt that stance - it would be the rational and thoughtful thing to do, after all - but then I realized that the Duggars are not rational and thoughtful people. I think they may have a slightly longer 'getting to know you' period now, but I also think they court for about as long as they say they do. These are not people who are particularly good at learning from past mistakes.

[PainfullyAware]

1 hour ago, freethemall said:

Thread title change?

I feel like he has to wait till after the wedding night for the rapture? Sorry couldn't resist

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

I love these two together. It bums me out that we'll likely have to sit through at least one more season of the show before we get to see more of them. There's still so much catching up to do. We'll have to sit through the Joken honeymoon (Kendra's constant giggling), at least two births, the awkwardness that is Siren (who knows how much of the courtship/wedding planning/etc they'll show), and THEN we'll get to see more of Jobbie. I really hope these two don't let us down by spouting hateful rhetoric.

[fundiesfordays]

Each couple could decide when to announce - some may wait until longer in the courtship while others announce quickly. It would be consistent with how much and when they make pregnancy and birth related announcements. We found out almost immediately when Jinger had Felicity, but others haven't been so quick. I'm still waiting for Jessa to go through a whole pregnancy without any announcement. :p

[kachuu]

I'm so excited for the news we already knew was coming...

[luv2laugh]

I’m pretty sure these two both were engaged before Lauren & Josiah’s wedding but didn’t want to steal their thunder and waited until after the wedding to announce to the public. 

TLC filmed this the day Jabbie took engagement photos since they’re both wearing the same clothes.

[Lovebug]

They look incredibly happy and comfortable with each other, and I'm glad to see they're sharing their affection for one another the way they want to share their affection for one another.  The pictures are lovely.

And I gotta say - hello John David!  He's not normally my type, but I admittedly did a double take when I saw that middle picture where Abbie's hugging his neck.  He's got some hottie happening, IMO!

[PainfullyAware]

These two are pretty cute but it's hard to be happy about the institution they are entering into. At the end of the day, the type of marriage that these two are entering into is a deeply patriarchal and oppressive Institution.

Abby gets a new headship, and she has to confine herself to appealing any decisions she doesn't like, but ultimately accepting his decisions if he disagrees with her. That means whether or not she works, how many kids, and clothing choices. Even if JD has more liberal views on those topics then Jim Bob and Michelle, it still means that she is working or wearing pants at his pleasure basically.

I know that whether those values are actually enforced seems up to the interpretation of the couple in certain respects. Like Jessa and Ben have clearly discussed that they fight, meaning she doesn't only talk sweet to him, and they generally seem to have more of a partnership than the dominant and submissive relationship that her parents do. But in the big picture even they clearly don't see men and women as equal and view marriage as an institution with different gender roles, with the man doing the productive labor and the woman doing the reproductive labor. That division isn't by choice but viewed as derived from the innate abilities ( or lack thereof) of men and women. Even if Abby continues working no one is going to think she has what it takes to be the spiritual head of the household, or even a co-head.

[nst]

Wonderful news...and they do look adorable together 

 

[libgirl2]

2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I will say that picture is adorable. Their faces are so close in all the pictures. :-o

They are wonderful photos. Their faces are so filled with absolute joy. 

[nst]

so I except October wedding, pregnant by January 

but he looks like a completely different person so happy he looks 

 

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, nst said:

so I except October wedding, pregnant by January 

but he looks like a completely different person so happy he looks 

 

He does. He has more of a lightness about him. 

[freethemall]

43 minutes ago, fundiesfordays said:

Each couple could decide when to announce - some may wait until longer in the courtship while others announce quickly. It would be consistent with how much and when they make pregnancy and birth related announcements. We found out almost immediately when Jinger had Felicity, but others haven't been so quick. I'm still waiting for Jessa to go through a whole pregnancy without any announcement. :p

You mean....they may make decisions themselves? On their own perogative? In the manner they want to? Not based on Counting On schedules, TLC, PR strategies, website/social media clickbait income, and JB's overall control?

[nst]

now this wedding since jessa and jill i can look forward to because he looks / acts like someone completely different. 

it's shocking 

 

10 minutes ago, freethemall said:

You mean....they may make decisions themselves? On their own perogative? In the manner they want to? Not based on Counting On schedules, TLC, PR strategies, website/social media clickbait income, and JB's overall control?

 

NOT possible 

never 

JB controls everything 

 

[candygirl200413]

When the rapture is actually going to happen now

[fundiesfordays]

@freethemall I'm not gonna' lie, I laughed a little as I typed that hypothesis... To even speculate about what grown adults' parents allow them to do is absurd to me, but that's why we're all here!

[theotherelise]

Awww, they are pretty cute together. I know they will probably disappoint me with their social media posts and continue the demeaning religious traditions of their families, but I am choosing to be hopeful! TBH, even if they just decided not to broadcast their lives or spout out opinions on twitter or ig, it would be an improvement over most of the marrieds.

I will say that while my husband and I are very egalitarian, we have a lot of fundie-lite friends who believe in "complementarianism" and talk about the husband being the leader of their family. But in practice, that doesn't really pan out. People generally fall into the division of duties that they are better at and sometimes the couples seem agitated that they can't force themselves into these preconceived roles. So I think it is entirely possible* that the family line continues to talk about "headship" and all that, while the day to day life is actually fairly egalitarian. 

*ETA: possible, not expected or likely, but possible

[frugalitymom]

1 hour ago, PainfullyAware said:

I feel like he has to wait till after the wedding night for the rapture? Sorry couldn't resist

Maybe that’s what he really meant by Bachelor to the rapture. 

[Georgiana]

3 hours ago, freethemall said:

Well that was quick (unsuprisingly) - I checked and the courtship announcement was 4 weeks ago. They definitely wait to announce the courtships (post-Marjorie) until the couples are clearly serious enough to be engaged soon. I believe I predicted somewhere that we'd get this announcement by the end of the month. Thread title change?

New prediction: October 15th wedding, or generally first 2.5 weeks of October.

The Duggars have NO CONCERN for our thread titles, announcing courtships and engagements back to back like this!!!  I am quite put out!!!

Kidding, they look happy.  I changed the title.  

[SapphireSlytherin]

2 hours ago, CarrotCake said:

That could be. That would definitely beat the engagement.

Maybe it is the mystery girl on the pictures of JB's birthday.

My guess is a Jessa pregnancy. Possibly twins. lol