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I cannot even begin to imagine what that interview is going to look like. Holy cow. 

ETA: According to that twitter thread, Alex wrote the guy a check and told him he'd consider hiring him?! ALEX, NO. YOU'RE ENCOURAGING HIS BEHAVIOR.

Okay, here we go, I'm watching these two idiots have an idioting contest.

1. Alex starts off by saying that the left wants everyone to be dependent and talking about taxpayer funded abortions and reassignment surgeries. Great start. Holy shit, I've never listened to the InfoWars and it is AWFUL. 

2. His hair looks better today. That's the only complement I can really give this guy.

3. He said that he didn't want this to "turn into a media thing" and he just wanted to "get what he believes to be justice."

4. Alex doesn't think Michael is crazy, but he is "a little quirky."

5. Michael isn't a bum because "the real bums are people on welfare, who make the taxpayers pay for their abortions and sex changes."

6. Michael says: "I think that you shouldn't have people who need things like food and shelter in um, in your own communities, I don't think it's something you want." He gets confused and Alex tells him to look at the red light. He continues: "Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, I don't think, I don't think it's a good thing to have. Even if it, even if cost more to raise taxes to get people food and housing, you should do it. Because if you don't, you're gonna have hungry people and crimes gonna go up. So nobody wants that, nobody wants crime, and have to use a fire arm and then get attacked from the liberal media because of that and, and uh, start the whole take the guns away argument because of that."

7. Michael is a conservative, but he also has liberal views. He likes the Constitution and thinks that if we're following it, both liberal and conservative ideas would be implemented."

8. Alex doesn't think he's a terrible person because in some cultures the kids stay home for years.

9. Alex makes the point that Michael's parents are his slaves if they have to pay for him to live. He also asks what happens when his parents pass or become disabled.

10. Michael says his plan was moving out three months from now. He says he doesn't want to make his parents take care of him. He also says that they've been trying to get him to leave since October 2017. 

11. Alex wants to have a 'man to man' talk with him and tells him he wants to hire Michael as a reporter. And get him a crew. Alex says he's going to turn Michael into a "formidable individual." Michael does not appear to be chuffed and asked if Alex meant New York City or New York State. Alex is like "well, that's part of being an employee, you have to negotiate with your employer" and he's all "I have to see my son."

12. Alex tries to parent Michael. It's weird. He's not getting it. 

13. Michael reports he plays no video games and watches very little television.

14. Alex does give him a cheque. Lord. He hands Michael a $3000 cheque. Michael says he's keeping him off the street with the money and Michael starts to open up the envelope and look at the cheque while still on air. 

15. Alex says that the government is producing an electro-magnetic field that puts everyone into an "Asperger's like state" and we can't go out and do things for ourselves. Alex can't judge Michael, because of all that. Alex tells Michael to get out there and do stuff for himself. Jesus, Alex, how come his parents aren't affected by this electro-magnetic field? How come I'm not?! 

Holy shit. I'm done. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. And I rescind my former opinion, there is something going on there and Michael is not all there.

 

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I'd be terrified of being murdered while I slept if I were his parents. Hopefully they don't have a large life insurance he could cash in on... this story is fucked up. 

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Michael also says that he "doesn't characterize himself as having been raised" and that he "had to fend for himself in a lot of ways." Alex asks point blank if his parents' abused him and Michael says "I'm not talking about that right now." "If I wanted to achieve something, I had to figure out how I was going to do that."

(#$)%*#$)%*@#)$!!!)$)%(!!!)

Alex asks: Were you a latchkey kid? Michael doesn't know what that means. He then says he was on his own most of the day. 

Michael is still living with his parents. He said he bumped into his father in the kitchen and said "excuse me" and is father said "no, I will not excuse you." Michael thinks this was provocative and confrontational. Alex says that if he was sixty-one and if he had a son who went around dressed as a cousin-it, he'd be pissed off too. Michael is "considering" moving out and that people have offered to help him. Alex is like "uhhh, I just gave you $3000 dollars, you can hire someone." 

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Now the child's mother has anonymously stated that she is frightened for herself and her child, and that kicking him out may worsen his existing mental health condition. She also says that he does have visitation rights, it just has to be with a licensed mental health professional, and that he has not chosen to exercise that right in the last eight months. He harasses her through the court system, too, and doesn't pay child support. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5771909/Mother-evicted-millennials-8-year-old-son-breaks-silence.html

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13 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Now the child's mother has anonymously stated that she is frightened for herself and her child, and that kicking him out may worsen his existing mental health condition. She also says that he does have visitation rights, it just has to be with a licensed mental health professional, and that he has not chosen to exercise that right in the last eight months. He harasses her through the court system, too, and doesn't pay child support. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5771909/Mother-evicted-millennials-8-year-old-son-breaks-silence.html

That $3000 should go directly to the mother, along with a considerable portion of the $1000/month he'll be getting from the x-rated online thing, if he chooses to accept that job.  That would be a good start, but I know it's not gonna happen.

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On 5/25/2018 at 11:57 AM, melon said:

No!!He is the one drinking Coke and playing video games all day!LOL

Says the woman with two adult children living at home.But they do work.They do contribute to the household.

One son works 60-80 hours a week,at times.He has no life and when he is home is exhausted,I would be ,too.

The other one,is working his way out of debt after a bad relationship.He does play video games,occasionally.

There are people who think that because of their age,and the fact they live with Mr Melon and me,that either I can't let go,or they are losers.

When they do move out...I will help them pack!!

 

You are just a mom who cares about your kids.  They are obviously not sponging off of you, like this guy is from his parents.  We would do the same if our daughter was in that situation.  She nearly did have to move back home after her roommate bailed, they were in a one bedroom apartment and the other girl used the living room as her bedroom. Then they moved across the hall to a 2-bedroom, which is when the girl decided she wanted to move back home so mom and dad would take care of her because it was just to hard to be an adult.  Fortunately, the apartment complex had a one-bedroom available so my daughter could move into it but they weren't sure if it would be ready because of whatever work they had to do to make it available for her so she didn't know until pretty much the last possible moment if she was going to have to come back to our house or not.  It would not have been permanent, just until she could get back on her feet and find an apartment she could afford.

I'm not sure if I think he has possibly mental or emotional issues, or if I think his parents always coddled him and never taught him how to be an adult.

And boxes are free at many stores!  I know somebody that works at Harbor Freight, they get massive amounts of boxes when their stock is delivered and they throw them away. If you go when they have gotten their delivery trucks in, they will give you as many as you can carry and they are very strong boxes.

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Given that one news story referenced his sister, who is 27, married, with kids, apparently competent, either there was some sexism in the family where boys don't have to do anything, but girls do, or there's some mental health issues that are behind this. 

I have no problem with living at home as an adult. I did it. If it works, it's a great way to save money. But there's being a member of a multi-generational household (the "move out"  as a measure of success thing being a bit of a modern American invention), and there's being a sponge. 

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When this guy's son turns 18, he'll be expecting the son to provide for him. :pb_rollseyes:

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There may be mental health issues. My sister lives at home still and she’s in her 40’s - she’s only tried living alone once and it was a Disaster and lasted 6 months - she’s never cleaned or did laundry or paid bills or cleaned her cat litter in 6 months and I think got kicked out. She has a number of mental health issues. My mom  complains about her but they do have her pay nominal rent and she is working and they make sure she takes her meds. They don’t think she will ever live alone. I have concerns for when my parents pass but they are in good health still. 

I worry  for his parents - the son should’ve been escorted to the house to get his things and locks changed same day for parents safety IMO. 

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Man, OfJill should have gone to law school a while ago so he could represent this guy in court; I feel like he'd really relate to him. 

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I lived with my parents as an adult...we lived with my mom for almost 2 years. In that time, we were both working and I had gone back to school. My father had just died and honestly my mother had NO idea how to pay utility bills, the taxes on the house, because my father had always done that. So, while we (and the kids) lived with her, we paid all the utility bills, bought the groceries and did a lot of the cleaning and cooking. We weren't particularly happy about it because my mother was difficult on a good day...but...that made it possible for me to go back to school. As soon as we had things stabilized, we moved OUT! 

My kids, at various times, have moved back home. Some of it was a disaster and a child was told they had 48 hours to get out (stealing from me, smoking dope in the house), and some of it was great. Now, the first national bank of mama is closed and out of business. I'm more concerned with safe landings for the grands. 

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One of my friends was single and lived with her elderly parents (in an in-law apartment setup) in order to take care of them and their home till they passed away. Another friend, after her divorce, moved back in with her parents on what was supposed to be a temporary basis—until it became clear that her parents couldn’t manage on their own. Her mother had gone blind and her father was showing signs of dementia. When he started becoming argumentative and violent, the family decided to have him placed in an Alzheimer’s facility (where he had to live until he passed away). My friend, who telecommutes full time, remains with her mom. She pays all of the taxes, utilities, insurance, and upkeep on the house. All of her siblings are grateful to her, as this setup is keeping their mother out of a nursing home. The siblings and their mother have made arrangements on her will to make sure their caretaker sister is compensated appropriately in terms of the estate after their mother passes away.

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Yeah and people think I actually want to live with my parents?  Well most times its all right but I do want to get back out on my own again once I'm done with school.  Since Iowa is turning into a Trumpian/Kochian shithole I may not even last as long as the end of school before I high tail it out to Minnesota or Oregon.  

 

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1 hour ago, 47of74 said:

Yeah and people think I actually want to live with my parents?  Well most times its all right but I do want to get back out on my own again once I'm done with school.  Since Iowa is turning into a Trumpian/Kochian shithole I may not even last as long as the end of school before I high tail it out to Minnesota or Oregon.  

Such a shame. I grew up in Iowa when it was mostly blue and it was lovely. 

In latest "this big old mess" news, Michael is now saying that he was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia after a doctor wanted to make steady work for himself. (As if any psychiatrist is finding himself in need of work right now, smdh). He says that he is not now and has never been a paranoid schizophrenic. OK.

He says he's being victimized because he has a habit of pacing and running his hands through his hair. Also, he couldn't find anyone to supervise visits with his son and that's why he hasn't seen him in eight months. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5783295/Evicted-millennial-Michael-Rotondo-reveals-heartbroken-not-seeing-son.html

 

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Nothing is EVER this guy's fault.  Not saying there aren't mental health issues, but this guy has been given every opportunity in the world to address those in a safe and stable environment.  Most people aren't so lucky.  At this point, if he has refused to address his mental health issues, he has made a CHOICE to refuse to address them.  That's on him, and I no longer accept that as a mitigating factor for his behavior.  

I get that it is hard to address mental health issues.  But you have to do so.  It's part of being an adult.  And it's not OK to just continue to harm OTHER people, including children, because you are making a choice not to get your shit together.  Get your shit together.  Seriously, my dude, most of us have to figure out how to do this WHILE still working and WHILE still putting food on our tables.  You had the cushiest set up ever, one that I would have personally given so much for during my struggles, and you wasted it.  Ain't nothin ever going to be good enough for you, Michael, damn!

It's simply time this guy sees consequences for his poor choices.  He's made it clear that is the ONLY way he will be changing his behavior.  

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As difficult as it is, I think that the parents' were totally within their rights and did their due diligence to get their child help. Their mandate that he buy health insurance (with their funds) now makes clearer sense now--he needed to get psychiatric help and he needed health insurance to do so. By refusing to get health insurance, he had a slam dunk excuse for not seeking a second opinion and/or the treatment that comes along with it.  So essentially the parents had an (alleged) paranoid schizophrenic who was unmedicated, owned weapons, and was refusing psychiatric care living in their home. That's frankly terrifying and I, too, would be extremely alarmed if I were involved in this situation. 

 

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I hope the parents tell their attorney to submit the order ASAP to the judge.  In California, the prevailing party prepares the order, then sends it to the other party's attorney for review (to be sure it correctly states the judge's decision).  It's entirely possible that the son won't agree to his attorney approving the language in the order.  But even so, the prevailing party can submit their order to the judge, explain that the other side has declined to "approve it as to form", and ask the judge to sign it anyway.  If the order matches the judge's decision, then the judge should sign it.  After that, the parents can have the Sheriff's department serve it on the son, and escort him off the premises.  I hope the parents can get this done.  I'd then suggest they sell that home and move away, leaving no forwarding address.  

After I had my son, we lived with my parents for a year.  I worked, my son was in infant care, and I bought groceries as often as possible.  My parents would not accept rent or even helping with utilities, but I offered.  I also cleaned around the house, cooked, drove my mom place (she drove, but hated it).  My parents were so nice and we got along great.  Both my mom and I bawled when my son and I moved out, but it was time.  

I think this man has mental issues.  I feel terrible for his family.

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And I call BS on “nobody available to supervise parental visits.” That’s what CPS literally is for. My nephew’s (manipulative, abusive) ex-girlfriend used to visit her child at the local CPS office until she was cleared to have regular visits. (The parents of the young woman’s ex eventually got permanent custody of the child, thank God, because neither of the child’s parents was deemed fit. I have no idea whether Mother of the Year has any contact with the child now—I’m hoping she doesn’t.)

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1 minute ago, Hane said:

And I call BS on “nobody available to supervise parental visits.” That’s what CPS literally is for. My nephew’s (manipulative, abusive) ex-girlfriend used to visit her child at the local CPS office until she was cleared to have regular visits. (The parents of the young woman’s ex eventually got permanent custody of the child, thank God, because neither of the child’s parents was deemed fit. I have no idea whether Mother of the Year has any contact with the child now—I’m hoping she doesn’t.)

There are also agencies that JUST do visitations, but there are fairly strict (but understandable) rules that you have to agree you'll abide by going in. I can see him objecting to one or more of the rules and then claiming no one would do it. Sure, technically no one will, unless you agree to the rules. 

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On 5/25/2018 at 12:11 PM, ViolaSebastian said:

Part of the reason I find this case fascinating is that I briefly dated a guy who reminds me of this fellow quite a bit. (Feel free to judge me on it--I judge myself too :pb_confused:). From his interviews, he seems like he's reasonably intelligent and capable person, but just has a massive, massive sense of entitlement in all areas of his life, from his employment, to his son, to the woman he stalked, and of course his parents/living situation.

I have been following for the same reason.  This guy seriously reminds me of my ex, the guy I was briefly engaged to in college.  The only one difference that I can say is that my ex did finish college and a master's degree.  And he got married.  But the entitlement, the stalking, what his own grandparents were doing for him, the refusal to take any responsibility, not to mention his job history after getting out of school match very closely to this failed-to- launch 30 year old.

And there has some serious stuff going on that he doesn't have custody.   Courts generally don't modify custody to that extent unless there's something going on that poses danger to the child.

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Update time! Michael has moved out of his parents home. But not before calling the cops when his father refused to allow him into the basement to look for missing legos. And he says his parents have an etching which belongs to him that's worth several thousands dollars. He plans to sue for its return. Michael plans to stay at an AirBnB for the time being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5795649/Evicted-millennial-Michael-Rotondo-finally-packs-leaves-parents-home.html

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I wonder if he'll overstay at that AirBnB.  This has to be incredibly difficult for his parents.  I'm sure they love their son, but were at the end of their rope.  It's also ridiculous that he blames them for not having custody of his son.  

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9 minutes ago, EmmieJ said:

I wonder if he'll overstay at that AirBnB.  This has to be incredibly difficult for his parents.  I'm sure they love their son, but were at the end of their rope.  It's also ridiculous that he blames them for not having custody of his son.  

I think he'll certainly try.  Any AirBnB who accepts a long term booking (or really any booking) from this man is a fool who is about to learn a tough lesson in responsible renting and due diligence.   People have gotten lax with the rise of services like AirBnB, but the truth is that being a landlord is a great responsibility under the law.

There is a very good reason this guy didn't go to a hotel: because hotels are familiar with how to keep guests as lodgers and not tenants, so they would make sure they were in a position to kick him out in short order if he overstays or fails to pay.  This guy is looking for a sucker to mooch off, and if that landlord isn't VERY careful, it'll be him or her.

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I'm not familiar with the specific details about AirBnB--can you refuse to rent your place out to someone? How much power does a person have to kick someone out of their place? Michael mentioned that his things are all going to a storage unit, which sounded like a rather long-term situation.

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1 hour ago, ViolaSebastian said:

I'm not familiar with the specific details about AirBnB--can you refuse to rent your place out to someone? How much power does a person have to kick someone out of their place? Michael mentioned that his things are all going to a storage unit, which sounded like a rather long-term situation.

I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs, but I do know that you can see who is renting your place in advance, can communicate with them, and have pretty free reign to cancel a booking so long as you do so with enough notice.  You do so too often and AirBnB will start sanctioning you because you're making them look bad, but ultimately it's very difficult to impossible to FORCE a person to let someone in their home if they don't want to.  If you have legitimate reason to believe that the guest intends to violate the TOS or the rental agreement, AirBnB will likely be on your side.  

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