Royal Wedding Part 2

[HermioneSparrow]

44 minutes ago, Pretzel said:

Ha, I was wondering about that too! I can't imagine Alyssa Webster not getting up at 5 am or at least recording it/ looking it up on the internet with the Duchess of Cambridge obsession she seemed to have in the past! Also, I suspect Sierra was watching it too. She made a DoC reference recently and it made me think she'd be secular enough to watch  or at least follow the goings on of a royal wedding. 

Adeline Morton was watching. She said on her stories she was obsessed with the royals and surprisingly praised Meghan.

[feministxtian]

25 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

I think Meghan may have dropped a couple of pounds in the week before the wedding.  However, that design with the bateau off the shoulder neckline needs a bit of ease in the tailoring or you can't lift your arms.  The same with the sleeves.  It's not like bonded silk stretches like spandex.

With all the shit that went down with her father and half-siblings, I wouldn't be surprised if she dropped some weight in the week before the wedding...maybe it fit "right" at her last fitting, but the last week was so upsetting to her that she dropped just enough weight that the dress was a bit loose on her. 

I loved the dress...very plain, definitely not over the top, and her style. I think the idea was to keep the attention on the couple NOT her dress. 

[Destiny]

32 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

They appear to have been very involved with the other major decisions and Bishop Curry and his sermon helped further drive home the message that Meghan is a Black American who has been accepted by her in-laws - a polite way of basically saying the racist trolls can go suck it.

I loved all those touches through the wedding actually, not just Bishop Curry. The Stand by Me done by a gospel choir, the preacher, and her walking herself down the aisle part way, and even including the California poppy on her veil to honour her American heritage all screamed, yes, I'm black and I'm American. This is who I am and I'm not sorry. I loved the two of them finding ways to merge their two cultures and pasts into one ceremony. 

ETA: I stand by the fact that I think he went on too long though. That said, it wasn't for me, it was for them, and the fact that I don't like long speeches is my problem, not theirs.

[Pretzel]

I was rewatching the Stand By Me part earlier. It was definitely my highlight of the wedding. Not only because that choir was excellent but also because I only today noticed that the conductor was a black woman. That was just perfect. 

[Beermeet]

Watching re-run of people walking in. Amal Clooney and Serena Williams win!  I can't pick between the two.  I still haven't caught the full sermon.  @Jinder Roles has me all fired up now so, making sure I see that in full today!  And, your are right,  I Probably couldn't handle black church on Sunday.  I used to go to Catholic mass on Sunday done in latin or Italian/english, twice as long.  About 2 hours. That's childs play though from what I hear!  One day though, I'm going.  I like the spirit of the people and gospel music.

 

[Palimpsest]

23 minutes ago, Destiny said:

I loved the two of them finding ways to merge their two cultures and pasts into one ceremony. 

I think it goes beyond Harry and Meghan.  There was a strong and concerted effort to send a very clear message of unity, love, and acceptance of difference in that ceremony.  And that message is being sent by the royal family as a whole - not just the bride and groom.

Meghan and Harry have been subjected to horrible racist attacks.  The royals are not going to stand for it these days, Prince Phillips past attitudes and many gaffs aside.  The royals take care of their own - unless they really crap on the carpet.  (See Sarah Ferguson.)

I think that some people fail to understand how diverse the population of the UK is, and underestimate the serious racial tensions there.  Especially in this current political climate - the Windrush descendants are getting screwed as are may other British POCs.

This royal wedding ceremony will probably not make much difference to the UK in the long run - but it was about as political a message as the royal family can send. 

And that is important.  So, for once, my hat is off to the royals.  I'm sure I'll be back to calling for the end of the monarchy soon though.

 

[Beermeet]

Prince Charles walking Meghan part way and escorting Doria after the ceremony spoke volumes to me. He didn't have to do that.  But, it WAS the right thing to do.  Those two women were not left to fend for themselves.  A loving gesture as two families join.  I was impressed.  

[Destiny]

19 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

(See Sarah Ferguson.)

I know practically zero things about her, other than the BBC commentators expressing some surprise that she was invited, so clearly there is bad blood. I'll have to do some looking into the matter after I finish cleaning my house.

[PennySycamore]

OK, I've watched the Royal Wedding three times already (BBC feed on PBS) and here's something I don't understand:

The Organ Screen separates the Nave from the Qwire, which is where the Royal Family sat as well as Meghan's mother, the Clooneys, Serena Williiams and her husband and I assume the Majors (Sir John and Lady Norma) sat.  On the Nave side of the Organ Screen it seems that you can't see the Qwire except through the arch, but from the Qwire side, you can clearly see the folks in the Nave.   That was clearly seen when the cellist was playing.  I don't get it.

[AliceInFundyland]

5 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

Prince Charles walking Meghan part way and escorting Doria after the ceremony spoke volumes to me. He didn't have to do that.  But, it WAS the right thing to do.  Those two women were not left to fend for themselves.  A loving gesture as two families join.  I was impressed.  

I agree. 

One of my personal wedding concerns is marrying someone with a big local family. I have a small family and they love me, but are scattered about. I have a small group of friends, also scattered. I am estranged from my dad.

So I was very struck by Doria sitting solo and Meghan walking alone. I felt that. And y’know, the royals are not known for a history of warmth. I love that picture of what we presume to be her dog with the Queen. I like thinking that they found something to bond over. This was really a job well done.

[PreciousPantsofDoom]

  I don't know if Victoria Beckham chooses not to smile or if she can't/won't/has permanent Wet Blanket Face, and mostly it wasn't  at all worth remarking on (especially since it's pretty normal for her,) but there was one moment that made me wonder about it.  The camera caught her sitting next to Beckham, who turned to her all smiles to say something. She gave him the old misery look and then turned herself away from him. Made me wonder if she was pissed off at him over something.  I didn't see the whole broadcast, and I could be completely wrong because I do not, in fact, have any actual knowledge of their lives.  It just seemed a weird reaction. 

[Palimpsest]

8 minutes ago, Destiny said:

I know practically zero things about her, other than the BBC commentators expressing some surprise that she was invited, so clearly there is bad blood. I'll have to do some looking into the matter after I finish cleaning my house.

Brace yourself.  I've always had a bit of a soft spot for commoner Sarah because she Mama Bears to the defense of her daughters so well.  And I have a reluctant admiration for her ovaries of steel and utter refusal to be ashamed of her atrocious money-grubbing behavior.

Her former husband, Prince Andrew has just as much (if not more) to be ashamed of, however.  I think they would probably be still married if the toe licking incident hadn't happened.  Two peas in a pod, that pair. 

Poor little Yorkies.  They didn't choose their parents.

[TatiFish9]

3 hours ago, Destiny said:

The fuck? Or maybe she was still sore from the delivery. Maybe the sky high heels were hurting her feet? Maybe the older kid pulled the I hate you mommy a few minutes before. Who the fuck knows, but the it's most likely the bride is ... reaching to say the least.

FWIW, Kate seemed just fine to me. 

Kate was just fine. I agree.

[Destiny]

8 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Brace yourself.  I've always had a bit of a soft spot for commoner Sarah because she Mama Bears to the defense of her daughters so well.  And I have a reluctant admiration for her ovaries of steel and utter refusal to be ashamed of her atrocious money-grubbing behavior.

Her former husband, Prince Andrew has just as much (if not more) to be ashamed of, however.  I think they would probably be still married if the toe licking incident hadn't happened.  Two peas in a pod, that pair. 

Poor little Yorkies.  They didn't choose their parents.

Yikes. This sounds like an ... interesting rabbit hole. Any suggested scandals to start with? I know practically nothing about her other than she did weight watchers commercials.

[VelociRapture]

@Palimpsest Have you seen the biography for Meghan on the Royal’s website yet?

https://www.royal.uk/duchess-sussex

Pretty much everything mentioned is public record, but I’m loving the fact that they highlighted that her charitable work has been highly focused on feminist causes. I know it’s good PR for the Royals and all, but it just makes me glad to see them embracing that aspect of her as well. 

7 minutes ago, Destiny said:

Yikes. This sounds like an ... interesting rabbit hole. Any suggested scandals to start with? I know practically nothing about her other than she did weight watchers commercials.

You could start with the topless sunbathing scandal. Or the toe sucking scandal (possibly the same as the topless sunbathing scandal.) Or maybe the selling media access to her ex-husband scandal is more your speed. 

ETA: This may not be the best link, but it’s a start at least.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-fitness/why-no-one-in-the-royal-family-likes-sarah-ferguson.html/?a=viewall

I will say, Fergie looked really lovely at the wedding. That navy color really looked gorgeous o her and made her hair pop nicely.

[TatiFish9]

1 hour ago, VelociRapture said:

Damn. I see we’ve abandoned the “she needs to smile more” realm of sexism and moved right on to “pitting women against each other” realm. Fun times.

The man you’re referring to is Presiding Bishop Michael Curry. He’s not just a simple Minister or Preacher, he literally presides over the Episcopalian Church.

Kensington Palace stated prior to the wedding that Harry and Meghan asked him to give the sermon. If they weren’t happy with what they got then that’s their fault for not doing their research properly. I find that hard to believe though. They appear to have been very involved with the other major decisions and Bishop Curry and his sermon helped further drive home the message that Meghan is a Black American who has been accepted by her in-laws - a polite way of basically saying the racist trolls can go suck it.

ETA: I should add that the decisions honoring Meghan’s roots also indicate that she is loved by her husband for who she is as well and that Harry agreeing to those decisions indicates he likely has a good deal of respect for his wife and who she is. 

I don't think I said anywhere that he was just any old man. I may not have called him by his exact title but I did reference him as clergy.

Furthermore, we all have different perceptions of the message - and that is okay for me. I appreciate those who agree with it. I was responding to some one who didn't, as I didn't. 

[GreyhoundFan]

Because we all need some laughs...

..."Prince Harry Markle..." LOL

[Destiny]

8 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

You could start with the topless sunbathing scandal. Or the toe sucking scandal (possibly the same as the topless sunbathing scandal.) Or maybe the selling media access to her ex-husband scandal is more your speed. 

DOUBLE YIKES. Someone come do my floors so I can dive in. O.O

(Though I see nothing wrong with the topless sunbathing personally. Toes? Well, clearly her kink is not my kink and that's okay ... I guess. O.O)

[VelociRapture]

4 minutes ago, TatiFish9 said:

I don't think I said anywhere that he was just any old man. I may not have called him by his exact title but I did reference him as clergy.

Furthermore, we all have different perceptions of the message - and that is okay for me. I appreciate those who agree with it. I was responding to some one who didn't, as I didn't. 

Sorry. It just struck me as odd how you referred to him. I would never call the Pope a Preacher or Priest - I’d call him the Pope because that’s his proper title and I refer to Bishop Curry as Bishop Curry because that’s his title. I wasn’t sure if you realized who he was, which is why I pointed it out. 

As for the rest, I wasn’t arguing with you about the content of his message or length of it or anything. Everyone is going to feel differently about that and that’s fine. I’m just pointing out that I find your opinion that Meghan and Harry were surprised by his sermon in some way difficult to believe given how involved the couple appears to have been with the big decisions. They likely knew his style before the wedding and he may have even gone over the basics of the sermon with them at some point. I just find it unlikely they were shocked or surprised.

[VelociRapture]

19 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Because we all need some laughs...

..."Prince Harry Markle..." LOL

I’m not sure what i liked more - drunk Kate, the Queen being cornered by Meghan's Great-Uncle, Aunt Creepy, or Leslie Jones as Leslie Jones. 

[Palimpsest]

32 minutes ago, PreciousPantsofDoom said:

She gave him the old misery look and then turned herself away from him. Made me wonder if she was pissed off at him over something.  I didn't see the whole broadcast, and I could be completely wrong because I do not, in fact, have any actual knowledge of their lives.  It just seemed a weird reaction. 

Mr. P (who hadn't a clue who either of them are) saw that and said, "Wow, she really hates him!" FWIW, Beckham is reputedly a serial cheater and I'm fairly sure she's slapped his face in public before.

9 minutes ago, Destiny said:

(Though I see nothing wrong with the topless sunbathing personally. Toes? Well, clearly her kink is not my kink and that's okay ... I guess. O.O)

She had an affair and had her toes sucked while topless, IIRC.  Her sin wasn't in doing all of that, but for not being discreet about it.  They divorced. 

She's run up huge debts, and tried various ways of making money.  She's a real mess and is apparently being prosecuted in Turkey for shenanigans with an orphanage these days.  I'm sure she was just misunderstood.  For more info - you could start with Wikipedia.  The list is so long but selling access to Andrew was a low spot.  I suspect he connived at it too. 

And let's not forget Andrew's many scandals:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York#Controversies

[AliceInFundyland]

Meghan was on Deal or No Deal. Damn. She really busted her butt in Hollywood.

[Beermeet]

My 11 yr old daughter and I have fun saying Meghan Markle.  It's hard to not run it together. MeghanMarkle.

MeghanMarkle. Meghanmarkle. 

Meghan.........Markle.    

Hee hee hee.  Anyone else?

[TatiFish9]

@VelociRapture

I see what you're saying.

 

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Now that I understand 53 Commonwealth, I can see the time and thought she put into her veil to include that intricate of details. I am beginning to love her choice of style all around for her wedding date. Poetic and powerful.

I hope to hear more about her service now that she is a duchess. I think she will do great things. Seems like she and Harry have found a great match in one another.

[Palimpsest]

51 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

They likely knew his style before the wedding and he may have even gone over the basics of the sermon with them at some point. I just find it unlikely they were shocked or surprised.

Meghan and Harry may have asked for a message of love and social justice.  The Palace  may even have been given and approved an outline of the sermon. 

That said, many of the royals were definitely surprised, not by the content perhaps, but by the delivery.  It is really not what they are used to, and they couldn't control their faces.   

I don't think I've ever seen QEII twitch quite like that before, and the side-eyeing between Camilla and Kate was really something. Charles was suppressing something - perhaps laughter.   It was really funny.