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John Shrader 16: Flying Away in That No-Engine Plane

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thoughtful
3 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

See, I don't understand how fundies/conservatives RAIL against universal healthcare like it's a proclamation that everyone has to shit on their dead grandma, but they're totes OK with childhood friends paying for their routine medical care or setting up a Funds Go To Me to beg their friends and family to pay for large procedures or emergency care. UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IS BASICALLY THAT SHIT EXCEPT IT'S A LOT BIGGER AND FUNDS GO TO EVERYONE. WHY DO YOU NOT SEE THIS. 

Some may not see it, some may have an issue with the bolded. 

"Everyone" includes those who are not exactly their variety of Christian, not Christian at all, brown, gay, recent immigrants, etc. Their precious grifted money may go for abortions or birth control or making women comfortable and healthy without the use of the Plexus and DoTerra they are hawking -- can't have that!

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Ozlsn
7 hours ago, thoughtful said:

Some may not see it, some may have an issue with the bolded. 

"Everyone" includes those who are not exactly their variety of Christian, not Christian at all, brown, gay, recent immigrants, etc. Their precious grifted money may go for abortions or birth control or making women comfortable and healthy without the use of the Plexus and DoTerra they are hawking -- can't have that!

Everyone also includes "the undeserving", which seems to also be a huge issue with them. Their definitions of who is and isn't deserving are flexible depending on whether they are perceived as being in the group or out of it. Hollywood star has long term issues from tobacco use - undeserving! Pastor has long term issues from tobacco use - deserving!

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It seems John has a new grand plan. Prison ministry is what he wants to do next. He says that even the prisoners are raising money to finance Johns printing endeavors. 

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New Potential Prison Ministry in Mongu!
(Western Province, Zambia)

Would you PLEASE PRAY with us?

Every time I have driven through Mongu, my eyes have been drawn to the prison there. I am told that there are almost 800 men incarcerated within.

Bro. Boyd and I have spoken many times about desiring to be able to preach to them, and pray that God might take broken men, and give them broken hearts over their sin, then see that godly sorrow work repentance unto Salvation!

What a joy that would be!!

I have ministered a little in the local cells here, but in America I used to go into the prisons, and my heart is still so burdened for prisoners. Isaiah 61 both thrills and tears at my soul in regards to these precious men.

Bro. Avery, a dear friend of ours, can testify to the Power of God to change men, and set them spiritually free! He has men inside that facility that PRAY for us (and many others), and regularly experience revival, answered prayer, and see God mightily working inside a prison!! (The men there where he ministers recently even took a sacrificial love offering to send towards printing the Chechewa-English John and Romans for Zambia!) The stories he has told me stir my soul!!

Would you also pray for some PURE Scripture in Lozi, at least in John Romans first? We need God to raise up translators to help us see purified Bibles in the vernacular languages. There is not even one, though there are 70+ languages here, and 7 main languages!

We have received preliminary approval from the prison in Mongu, thanks to Bro. Scrivner writing a letter. We are now just waiting for the formal written approval.

I was so excited to hear this news, so PLEASE PRAY with us regarding this!!

Bro. John Shrader

Note: This picture was taken off the web, as we have not been inside the prison yet. Even when we are, we will probably not be allowed to take any pictures. Zambia is very careful in regards to this matter.

 

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anjulibai

Prison ministry - Parishioners who can't run away! And the're likely to want to come because it relieves the monotony of prison. 

I can't imagine, though, that John's American supporters are going to like this. Why go all the way to Zambia to save prisoners? There are prisoners in the US. It'd be way cheaper to do a prison ministry at home. 

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Botkinetti

Prison ministry is the very definition of a captive audience. I wonder if he is sucking up to his father-in-law’s audience and hoping to get some money from them.

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subsaharanafrica

Bullshit there isn’t a single Bible in any of Zambia’s languages. If you google Chichewa Bible or Nyanja Bible you’ll get a dozen different translations without looking hard at all.

Why is he trying to reinvent the wheel with people who don’t know what they are doing? 

Dear John, the people who are fluent in Zambia’s big languages as well as literate in Bublical Hebrew/Ancient Greek have all already created the translations you claim don’t exist. If you find someone willing to translate the KJV into these languages you are only going to create a sub-par translation. 

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IrishCarrie

I work in a prison and I can promise you: prisoners will go to ANYTHING to relieve the boredom of the day. Particularly if there's any chance of tea/coffee/snacks at it 😃

Now mind you, when the snacks are all gone, they have a frequent tendency to rip the absolute piss out of speakers; again, to receive the monotony of life "inside".

So methinks John mightn't find them nearly as docile an audience as he expects 😂😂😂

 

 

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Ozlsn
9 hours ago, subsaharanafrica said:

Why is he trying to reinvent the wheel with people who don’t know what they are doing? 

I kind of want an academic to do a translation into the 17th century versions of local languages. Just so the locals can go "this is really stupid" and take a harder look at John et al's theology and overall mindset. And also it'd be fun.

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On 1/12/2019 at 9:27 AM, anjulibai said:

Prison ministry - Parishioners who can't run away! And the're likely to want to come because it relieves the monotony of prison. 

Not just a literal captive audience but he has also laid the groundwork in that post as to why there won't be photos of this ministry and his "new converts" 🙄

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Nutella Ace

I am going to be fascinated to see if this new prison ministry scheme works out (knowing John's track record we just won't hear about it ever again)...

For back story, my husband is Zambian and when I was there last Christmas, we tried to go visit a cousin of his that was serving a short prison sentence in order to deliver some food/clothing items. They absolutely would not let me inside. First I was told only family members could visit, and then when we explained that I was family, we were told that women weren't allowed into the prison. This is despite clearly seen plenty of Zambian women going in and out doing exactly what we were trying to do (dropping off food for the week for their family members). My assumption is that the security guards didn't want a foreigner to go inside and see what the prison conditions were like since my husband said it was definitely not a very nice place! 

To be fair we just stopped by during normal visiting hours and it sounds like John is writing letters to local government authorities in advance, so maybe John will have more luck pulling strings with connections, but I will still be pretty surprised if it actually turns into a full-fledged "prison ministry"!

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Every time I have driven through Mongu, my eyes have been drawn to the prison there. I am told that there are almost 800 men incarcerated within.

 . . . and I thought to myself "people who are trapped inside a building! I've found my congregation at last!"

On 1/12/2019 at 1:27 PM, IrishCarrie said:

Now mind you, when the snacks are all gone, they have a frequent tendency to rip the absolute piss out of speakers; again, to receive the monotony of life "inside".

So methinks John mightn't find them nearly as docile an audience as he expects

:popcorn2: Can't wait!

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