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samurai_sarah

Mr and Mrs Jill Duggar 58: The D’Wreckoning

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samurai_sarah
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Carry on from here:

Credit to @HarleyQuinn for the updated thread title

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Someone in the previous thread mentioned that they thought Jill might've had an emergency hysterectomy with Sam. We've speculated about this here before. I personally see no reason to believe that it happened, but I do want to point something out - if it did happen, then Derick was appallingly insensitive to her in the immediate aftermath. Because right after Sam was born, Derick was on Twitter 'liking' all kinds of comments about how great having a huge family is, how they shouldn't stop having children, and how 'two is for quitters'.

I like to believe that even Derick wouldn't be quite that awful to his wife, but every day he proves that he's somehow even worse than I would have expected, so who knows?

My personal sense is that no, Jill did not have a hysterectomy, and we'll see another special announcement from them within a year, possibly much sooner. But time will tell. 

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PainfullyAware

The fake denials on Derick's part are truly bizarre. Like when he claims on Twitter that he has a job and doesn't understand tweets that criticize him for soliciting donations rather than earning an income. I think he spends too much time watching Fox News and has decided to imitate Trump by denying or obfuscating or lying about everything. Derick really wants to live in a post-truth world.

 It is kind of mind-boggling that out of 19 children in a well-to-do family none of them will end up with a college degree. The disinterest in learning seems to be the greatest failure of their homeschooling experience. I honestly would have expected at least one of the boys to take it upon himself to upgrade his high school knowledge by taking a year of community college and then applying to a Christian University and various scholarships so he could get a degree. I'm sure they could have won Jim Bob around to a practical degree that was paid for by part time work or scholarships at some Bible College.

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7 minutes ago, PainfullyAware said:

The fake denials on Derick's part are truly bizarre. Like when he claims on Twitter that he has a job and doesn't understand tweets that criticize him for soliciting donations rather than earning an income. I think he spends too much time watching Fox News and has decided to imitate Trump by denying or obfuscating or lying about everything. Derick really wants to live in a post-truth world.

 It is kind of mind-boggling that out of 19 children in a well-to-do family none of them will end up with a college degree. The disinterest in learning seems to be the greatest failure of their homeschooling experience. I honestly would have expected at least one of the boys to take it upon himself to upgrade his high school knowledge by taking a year of community college and then applying to a Christian University and various scholarships so he could get a degree. I'm sure they could have won Jim Bob around to a practical degree that was paid for by part time work or scholarships at some Bible College.

Agree with most of this except the notion that the Duggars have received at minimum, a high school  education. Perhaps a couple of the adult kids have a high school level education, but not most of them. High school levels of science, math, foreign language, literature, government...no way-

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16 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Agree with most of this except the notion that the Duggars have received at minimum, a high school  education. Perhaps a couple of the adult kids have a high school level education, but not most of them. High school levels of science, math, foreign language, literature, government...no way-

Agreed. IIRC the Bates test with a local high school to receive an actual high school diploma upon graduating from their homeschool programs while the Duggars get GEDs. I know people who have studied hard to receive their GEDs, but I think the style of teaching the Duggars have is bare minimum rather than actual retained knowledge and ability to succeed in a variety of subjects. I’m not going to pretend it’s impossible for those kids to get other kinds of jobs in the future should they need to, but SOTDRT has done them no favors. For Derick to feign confusion makes me wonder what his end game for his kids really is. Is it OSU and the Pistol Pete tradition? Another generation of construction workers/electricians/plumbers/etc.? Rabid missionaries or preachers with endless e-fundraisers?

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1 minute ago, Joyfully_Unavailable said:

Agreed. IIRC the Bates test with a local high school to receive an actual high school diploma upon graduating from their homeschool programs while the Duggars get GEDs. I know people who have studied hard to receive their GEDs, but I think the style of teaching the Duggars have is bare minimum rather than actual retained knowledge and ability to succeed in a variety of subjects. I’m not going to pretend it’s impossible for those kids to get other kinds of jobs in the future should they need to, but SOTDRT has done them no favors. For Derick to feign confusion makes me wonder what his end game really is. Is it OSU and the Pistol Pete tradition? Another generation of construction workers/electricians/plumbers/etc.? Rabid missionaries or preachers with endless e-fundraisers?

I'm not sure that most are even qualified to be electricians, plumbers or construction workers beyond working for JB. You have to know some math and science to be gainfully employed in those trades. In addition, you have to show up on time, every day, in order to retain employment.

Most workplaces do not exist on Duggar Time.

I wonder if JB ever feels the pressure of setting his kids up for failure? He sacrificed everything for pure genitals on the wedding days. What an idiot!

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onekidanddone
3 hours ago, Hashtag Blessed said:

“My children will have plenty of opportunities.” <—- I love this statement for two reasons. 1. It is so defensive. 2. It is so aggressive. He’s so bad at this. Instead of saying something like, “homeschooled people actually make up x% of college students, so we’re confident they’ll be fine” he gets all “How dare you! I’m not sure what you’re insinuating, here!” 

Derick is so bad at gaslighting. The only person worse is Jill. 

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I would be shocked if Jill had a hysterectomy. Derrick's comments about children afterwards would be beyond cruel, and despite how shitty he is sometimes, I don't think he would be that blatantly horrible to Jill. 

I don't think we'll get an announcement from them until later 2019, but I do think they will have more children. I could see them with around 5. 

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2 hours ago, SassyPants said:

I'm not sure that most are even qualified to be electricians, plumbers or construction workers beyond working for JB. You have to know some math and science to be gainfully employed in those trades. In addition, you have to show up on time, every day, in order to retain employment.

My youngest is currently getting ready to take his journeyman electrician's test. He's taking classes right now, math, physics, English, electrical theory and then there's the practical side. It ain't easy. I don't think any of the Duggar spawn would have enough educational background to pass those classes. 

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What baffles me is that Derick clearly enjoyed his years at school. He always speaks fondly and goes back to his alma maters every chance he can get. Yet he is denying his kids the same.

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Someone on Tumblr claims that Jill originally posted the wall picture and then deleted it. Can anyone find evidence of this?

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1 hour ago, feministxtian said:

My youngest is currently getting ready to take his journeyman electrician's test. He's taking classes right now, math, physics, English, electrical theory and then there's the practical side. It ain't easy. I don't think any of the Duggar spawn would have enough educational background to pass those classes. 

I'd agree with you on all but JD - I'm thinking if he can successfully get his pilot's license, he might be able to handle something like that as well. There's a lot of math in flying, I understand, and some bookwork as well as the actual flying. I wonder sometimes if he's not living an actual life quietly while the rest of the Duggars flail about trying to hold the spotlight.

Are Jana and JD actually Duggars? It's like those two got most of the competence and much less of the attention whoring.

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5 minutes ago, Alisamer said:

I'd agree with you on all but JD - I'm thinking if he can successfully get his pilot's license, he might be able to handle something like that as well. There's a lot of math in flying, I understand, and some bookwork as well as the actual flying. I wonder sometimes if he's not living an actual life quietly while the rest of the Duggars flail about trying to hold the spotlight.

Are Jana and JD actually Duggars? It's like those two got most of the competence and much less of the attention whoring.

I think they may have gotten the better end of the homeschooling before they turned into a zoo. I think J'turd, Jana, JD and maybe Jill got a better education than the rest. From the Howlers on down, I think they're all probably barely literate. 

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4 hours ago, PainfullyAware said:

It is kind of mind-boggling that out of 19 children in a well-to-do family none of them will end up with a college degree.

Yes, though Joe did attend Crown, for whatever it's worth.

What will Derick's children have plenty of opportunities to do - fail?

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41 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

We should change the thread to "Mr. and Mrs. Jill Duggar - The dWreckening."

I very strongly second this! 

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2 hours ago, onekidanddone said:

Derick is so bad at gaslighting. The only person worse is Jill. 

Every time that Derick tries to gaslight, I always think of Joan Calamezzo from Parks and Rec when she slaps Leslie with the "GOTCHA!" sticker.  He thinks he's SO CLEVER, but everyone else is perfectly aware that he's just being petty and pedantic in an attempt to deflect.

It should also be noted that Joan was meant to be an exaggerated portrayal for comedic effect.  The fact that Derick Duggar (Dillard) is measuring up while being serious shows a lack of self-awareness so remarkable that it should probably be studied.  

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Derick, sweetie, those voices in your head, they are not the Holy Ghost......I'm just saying.  You are listening to your head and there is a committe of assholes in there.  #getrightwithGod

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1 hour ago, justpassingby said:

What baffles me is that Derick clearly enjoyed his years at school. He always speaks fondly and goes back to his alma maters every chance he can get. Yet he is denying his kids the same.

This actually made me wonder whether or not Derick could ever handle his sons ever being better then him at anything. JB made sure his sons could never be better then him in anyone. Not smarter, more successful, or really anything. He took insane joy out of beating his sons in stupid competitions on the show. Is Derick any different? I don't really think Derick could handle Israel or Samuel being smarter then him or doing better then him at anything.  If either boy somehow got into OSU and became more famous then him as Pistol Pete, would be be happy or jealous?  

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Dericks inferiority complex is screaming for attention in that comment. If your healthy and balanced you’d probably just ignore that part. As for the schooling it didn’t really answer the question...

 

I’d feel bad for him if he wasn’t such an asshole, but he is, so here we are.

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I don't know if Jill did or didn't have a hysterectomy, but I will say I doubt it.  With all the people involved like family, the film crew, the hospital and so on I figure somebody would have leaked the information.  Either intentional or unintentional, somebody would let it slip. 

Just my own view. Your mileage my vary

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12 minutes ago, Jilli said:

Dericks inferiority complex is screaming for attention in that comment. If your healthy and balanced you’d probably just ignore that part. As for the schooling it didn’t really answer the question...

 

I’d feel bad for him if he wasn’t such an asshole, but he is, so here we are.

Because he doesn't have an answer.  He's realizing that a poorly homeschooled teacher won't produce any future OSU grads.  To change that, he's going to have to do one of three things: 1) take a much more hands-on approach to his sons' education rather than let Jill 'handle it', 2) find an appropriately conservative private school, or 3) send them to ebil public school.  However, I don't think he would like or be able to afford any of those options, so...

...but I suppose he could run to his mommy and let her figure it out for him!

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