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6 hours ago, Granwych said:

Kinda  sad that Terified needed Stevehovah to write her post this month, or however often she blesses her readers with Maxwell wisdom.  I suppose there are a few (very few!) crumbs of knowledge in her screeds.  I'm waiting, as my necklace of knowledge is short a few pearls.

Clarifying here--No Pearls, as in the "beat 'em with plumbing line," are eligible, Rodrigues notwithstanding.

 

 

“A few pearls short of a necklace”—love it!

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On 02/05/2018 at 10:55 AM, Soulhuntress said:

Mom's corner.  Written by a mother for other mothers.  He won't even let Teri have that. 

I actually wonder if Steve sees it as having to take over because Teri's depression is so bad she's not functioning. I suppose he could pass it over to one of the younger women who are actually mothers (which is what he probably should do - move Teri to guest grandmother spots) but I suspect they don't figure into his equations as actual adults with families of their own.

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"Yes, ladies, I'm a man so I can tell you how hard being a fundie homeschooling, have as many kids as you can, treat postpartum depression by have even more kids, mom is!  It will all be worth it in 20-30 years, or in eternity, whichever comes first." 

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4 hours ago, Ozlsn said:

I actually wonder if Steve sees it as having to take over because Teri's depression is so bad she's not functioning. I suppose he could pass it over to one of the younger women who are actually mothers (which is what he probably should do - move Teri to guest grandmother spots) but I suspect they don't figure into his equations as actual adults with families of their own.

Good point.  Does he let her have antidepressants?  I wonder if the diet and super regimented life is their way of controlling her depression without pills?

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59 minutes ago, Soulhuntress said:

Good point.  Does he let her have antidepressants?  I wonder if the diet and super regimented life is their way of controlling her depression without pills?

I daresay that Terified cannot take antidepressants.  Shoot, she can't even have her Pepsi.  She has written posts about Jesus making it all better.  She urges women to avoid medication and to "pray it away."   I shudder to think how many wives and moms have suffered needlessly by doing so.

Steve,  all this falls back on you.  You are an insecure, warped, evil man.

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They don't believe there is such a thing as mental health disorders.  If you're sad, it's your fault - you don't have enough faith in the Lord to make that sadness go away.  No doubt he heaps on the guilt because she has had depression for so long now.  She must seem so unworthy to him because she is such a wet blanket.  God only knows how he treats her in private - I cannot imagine he treats her with any real respect.

This is seriously too bad.  I have depression myself - I do take medication.  I'm not "happy" but my medication has at the very least given me a level of maintenance where I can function enough to get through the day.  I will never be "normal" again - hell - I've forgotten what it feels like to be "normal".

This is so cruel of him to keep her in this state.  Fuck you Steve.  I mean it when I say, you absolutely deserve to go to hell.  All your praying and piety will do you no good in the end.  I really hope you bump off before Teri does.  Perhaps then she will finally get the help she needs and learn how to live again.  (small chance, but certainly more than she has now)

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3 minutes ago, Bajovane said:

They don't believe there is such a thing as mental health disorders.  If you're sad, it's your fault - you don't have enough faith in the Lord to make that sadness go away.

While true about many Fundies, this is not correct about the Maxwells.  They are a bit more enlightened that that and declare Teri's depression to have been caused by "hormonal imbalance" not sin. 

I do fault Steve very seriously for not seeking conventional medical help for Teri's depression, and I fault them both for continuing to insist that depression can be handled by OTC progesterone cream, prayer, exercise, and the almighty schedule.  And let alone by more babies!

There is no doubt that Teri's depression was real, possibly post-partum, possibly situational (also called stress response or adjustment disorder), and could have been helped by meds.  I think she suffered for many years unnecessarily. 

21 minutes ago, Bajovane said:

This is seriously too bad.  I have depression myself - I do take medication.  I'm not "happy" but my medication has at the very least given me a level of maintenance where I can function enough to get through the day.  I will never be "normal" again - hell - I've forgotten what it feels like to be "normal".

I am so sorry you have this struggle. I hope the meds work for you.  I also have a depression dx and take meds for it.  But not all depression or depressive episodes are alike. 

Don't be mislead into over-identifying with Teri.  Some types of depression do get better even without meds, especially those adjustment and stress response depressions.

There is no evidence that Teri is depressed today.  Instead she is functioning well and has been a full participant in the Titus2 ministry for years, in all its oppressive glory.  Where she was once a victim she is now a participant in oppression.  Up to her neck! 

Teri says herself that she has been completely free from depression since 1992.  http://articles.titus2.com/a-journey-through-depression/

Let us take her at her word and make her responsible for her behavior and actions since 1992. She does not get a free pass from me.

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And Steve strikes again.  "Are You Slack"

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slack  /slak/ 

adjective

1.not taut or held tightly in position; loose:"a slack rope"synonyms: loose, limp, hanging, flexible, flaccid, 

2.(of business) characterized by a lack of work or activity; quiet:"business was rather slack"

noun

1.the part of a rope or line that is not held taut; the loose or unused part:"I picked up the rod and wound in the slack"synonyms:looseness, play, give

2.casual trousers.

verb

1.loosen (something, especially a rope).

2.slake (lime).

 

Well, I don't think he means a pair pf pants or a loose rope.  But don't the synonyms for slack sound vaguely like descriptions of an unaroused penis: loose, limp, hanging, flaccid?  Just me?  OK then.

Of course, Steve is not slack.  His penis is fully erect at all times, his vas deferens are nicely reattached and he is ready to disciple non-reversals and reversals alike.

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Discipling children in the Lord, the Savior of their souls, is THE critical aspect in raising children. Dad owns this responsibility before the Lord. “And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4).

If Steve were my father he would provoke me to wrath just for quoting the Bible incessantly.

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Family Bible time every day is critical to nurturing a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the feeding of a soul, producing fertile ground for the Spirit of God to work. If Dad is slack in his responsibilities to gain ground in the hearts of his children, you can be sure the enemy will use it to his advantage. “And Joshua said unto the children of Israel, How long are ye slack to go to possess the land, which the Lord God of your fathers hath given you?”(Joshua 18:3). 

Dear Rufus, he's still reusing old material.  Family Bible time again. Has he not got anything new to say?

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The reason I warned a couple weeks ago about TV and movies is they are a sure way to give ground in the hearts of your family to the enemy.

So John just gave ground in his heart to the enemy by watching a movie.  With Chelsy, to boot.  

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When given a choice, a child will likely choose the world’s entertainment over God’s Word.

So would most adults.  And you can only read God's Word so many times a day.

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Why not eliminate the world’s entertainment and draw their hearts to God’s Word?

Because they would be bored out of their minds, stifled, and so sheltered that they can't communicate or socialise properly outside the family.

Speaking of which, I heard a TED Radiohour recently featuring Alecia Faith Pennington.  She said that one of the hardest things for her in trying to relate to her peers once she had left home, was not knowing anything about TV shows, movies, contemporary music, news events, sports, normal social media activities, and so on.  They had absolutely no common ground.

That is what Steve wants to do.  Cut off children so severely from the world that they can't function in it as adults.

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Mr. Allison's take on today's Suddenly Steve (yes, Steve, we gave your email a fun nickname!) is that Steve doesn't have enough to worry about in his life. I think that is 100% accurate. He manufactures issues to control and scare the family. Our theory is the kidults have taken on the load of work for so long that Steve has had lots of time to create ridiculous reasons to hide from the world.  

Palimpsest, your reaction to the line about television and movies was mine, as well. It made me think John started watching movies or TV after his marriage (and possibly before, because he traveled so much). Honestly, if their faith is so misguided as to not withstand watching a movie, they have other issues. 

 

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13 minutes ago, AllisonWndrland said:

He manufactures issues to control and scare the family. Our theory is the kidults have taken on the load of work for so long that Steve has had lots of time to create ridiculous reasons to hide from the world.  

I'd completely agree, except he started the extreme sheltering so long ago, when Nathan, Christopher, and Sarah were still very young.  He started by making the boys give up team sports, then Sarah wasn't allowed sleepovers with friends, and it went on from there.  He restricted them more and more.

And Steve has been beating the same extreme sheltering drum on Titus2 since 1995* when they had 7 children, 19 and under.  Mary was born in 1996, IIRC.   

Steve was didn't give up his evil unChristian employment (with the company that made him have dangerous business lunches with women) until ... maybe 2000? I can't remember, I should look through their archives again.

*Actually probably earlier than that but that is when they started the Titus2 Web "ministry."

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On 5/3/2018 at 4:05 PM, MamaJunebug said:

“A few pearls short of a necklace”—

BEAUTIFUL MAJESTIC PEARLS

--Benjermin Seewald

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3 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

I'd completely agree, except he started the extreme sheltering so long ago, when Nathan, Christopher, and Sarah were still very young.  He started by making the boys give up team sports, then Sarah wasn't allowed sleepovers with friends, and it went on from there.  He restricted them more and more.

And Steve has been beating the same extreme sheltering drum on Titus2 since 1995* when they had 7 children, 19 and under.  Mary was born in 1996, IIRC.   

 

 

That's true. I think his recent anti-TV and movies kick has been the result of John marrying and really leaving the home. Back in the day, he could excuse the no-TV, no media, Family Bible Time routine by saying he was protecting his young children. Now? I think it is the result of a need to control someone (anyone, really, given his sons marrying and leaving home) and way too much time on his hands (no need to worry about constant conferences, travel, etc.).  

 

 

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6 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

So John just gave ground in his heart to the enemy by watching a movie.  With Chelsy, to boot.  

 

Allison wrote that she and Chelsy enjoyed "Late night chats + movie + tea + chocolate while John worked late." So, John may not have been aware that Chelsy was watching a movie on the sly. Or perhaps he was aware and didn't care, but Steve certainly didn't know and would definitely care.

 

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45 minutes ago, Black Aliss said:

Allison wrote that she and Chelsy enjoyed "Late night chats + movie + tea + chocolate while John worked late." So, John may not have been aware that Chelsy was watching a movie on the sly. Or perhaps he was aware and didn't care, but Steve certainly didn't know and would definitely care.

Oh, my.  I shouldn't have laughed. 

I do hope John was aware of what they were doing and didn't care,  If he was shocked and dismayed by movie night I really don't hold out much hope for the marriage.  Someone is going to get crushed and I doubt it will be John.

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And if John didn’t like the idea, would Chelsy really sneak around behind his back?  

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If Stud John didn't approve of movies Judgy Chelsy wouldn't have outed herself on her blog.

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Way back when I read the book of Titus I remember thinking it was misspelled and should be Tightass.  Going to prayer closet now.....

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Chelsy has made several references on her blog about to her watching movies- she even wrote about taking her sister out to the movie theater (the biggest beast!) to see Moms Night Out a few years ago.  And she has made zero attempt to scrub them, and even wrote about how she would miss movie nights with her sister right before she got married.  So I think it's safe to assume that John knew and was fine with her watching movies and is most likely watching some of them with her now. It probably royally pisses Steve off that a girl like Chelsy is in his family, exposing his daughters to things like fun and entertainment and spontaneity.   

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"When given a choice, a child....." 

 

1) Steve, your offspring are ADULTS. Why do they have these entertainment and internet restrictions?

 

2) There is a difference between living an entertainment centered lifestyle and indulging in entertainment in one's free time. What you're doing, Steve, by presenting the Bible vs entertainment as these combatting lifestyle choices is making God's Word seem like a. another hobby or b. a chore, because entertainment is only another religion if you make it that way! You're  not making a very good case for avoidinng entertainment, and you're definitely not making a good case for parenting in the Lord with the way you treat your family.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dripcurl said:

"When given a choice, a child....." 

 

1) Steve, your offspring are ADULTS. Why do they have these entertainment and internet restrictions?

 

2) There is a difference between living an entertainment centered lifestyle and indulging in entertainment in one's free time. What you're doing, Steve, by presenting the Bible vs entertainment as these combatting lifestyle choices is making God's Word seem like a. another hobby or b. a chore, because entertainment is only another religion if you make it that way! You're  not making a very good case for avoidinng entertainment, and you're definitely not making a good case for parenting in the Lord with the way you treat your family.

 

 

It's all accountability, dear drip!  God (I mean Steve) knows just how frail our human faculties are!!

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On 10/05/2018 at 10:26 AM, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

Way back when I read the book of Titus I remember thinking it was misspelled and should be Tightass.  Going to prayer closet now.....

Has anyone read The Sacred Diary of Adrian Plass, Christian Speaker, Aged  45 3/4 ?  There's a story about 'Stenneth studying Titus' which this this brings to my mind.  Actually I can just link it https://books.google.com.au/books?id=8HGATDMiWLwC&lpg=PA108&ots=7prnlzFlPH&dq=adrian plass studying titus&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q=adrian plass studying titus&f=false

(It's basically the same as our old 'Tits2' joke but in a much more interesting setting.)

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What is up with all this blocking software? I'll admit I used parental controls on my kids when they were younger, I know boys get curious but I didn't want to deal with the viruses, so I turned on parental controls. BUT...my husband? Ummm...no. He's grown, it's up to him to practice self-control. It must be exhausting to exert that level of control constantly. I don't have the time nor energy to do that.

About depression: I have an alphabet soup list of mental health diagnoses. Without meds, forget it, I can barely function, as in brushing my hair takes more effort than I can muster. With meds, I'm more ME. There are still days that are darker than others, but for the most part, things aren't so dark. I can get up, get dressed, brush my hair, do things, enjoy life. Stevehovah is harming his wife by denying her the medication that would give her her life back. What a dick. 

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Well Stevo is answering some of our questions.  He's put up 2 new Seriously posts about forbidding things.

Someone asked whether The Beast (movies and TV) should be completely avoided or would watching in moderation teach self control.  

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When someone uses the term “forbidden fruit” I take it they are implying that by making something forbidden, we are actually enticing someone to want it. A further implication is that by not forbidding it completely, it isn’t as desirable (as when forbidden) and it can be avoided more easily.

Let’s consider this concept. The Garden God created in Genesis was perfect. Agreed? God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst, and He said, “Thou shalt not eat of it.” It was forbidden fruit if you will.

God didn’t leave it un-forbidden to make it less appealing. He knew it was appealing, and for His children’s protection gave them a set boundary with no middle ground, no balance, no moderation. Simply, “No!”

 

I'd have a word with John and Chelsy if I were you Stevo.

And he continues in Part 2.

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God said, don’t eat!  Eating from that tree in the Garden meant death.

I want my children to completely avoid directly sinful things and I expect that is your desire for your children as well. However, in addition, I want my children to have a disdain for things that easily lead to destructive things. Are you still with me? 

Steve, I want, I want, I want makes you sound like a toddler.  Also your children are now adults and can make their own decisions so STFU.

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The less like the world your family is, the more dangerous TV and movies are in pulling their hearts to the world.

This pretty much admits that excessive sheltering is dangerous because it makes your children extra vulnerable to naughty things in the world, doesn't it?

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Adam and Eve totally fell for God's set-up with the whole tree deal. Something to think about, Steve.

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