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On 5/30/2018 at 10:15 PM, just_ordinary said:

Well, if infected people are out and about (still have no idea how this is even possible- I am already dying from a cold) you need a higher vaccine rate not to get infected too. In Europe people stay at home so people cannot catch the flu so easily. 

People don't leave their homes in Europe?

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5 hours ago, Hisey said:

People don't leave their homes in Europe?

They do but most people have generous sick leave and can afford a doctor's visit (here you only need a note if out for 2+ days, a doctor's visit costs 26€ and you get most of that back, and they'll come to your house for 35€) so people are more likely to stay home when sick.  

Lots of people do still go out and to work and school when under the weather but I've never seen anyone in public that looks like they have more than a cold.

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4 hours ago, IntrinsicallyDisordered said:

They do but most people have generous sick leave and can afford a doctor's visit (here you only need a note if out for 2+ days, a doctor's visit costs 26€ and you get most of that back, and they'll come to your house for 35€) so people are more likely to stay home when sick.  

Lots of people do still go out and to work and school when under the weather but I've never seen anyone in public that looks like they have more than a cold.

Wait- you still have doctor's making house calls?

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6 hours ago, IntrinsicallyDisordered said:

They do but most people have generous sick leave and can afford a doctor's visit (here you only need a note if out for 2+ days, a doctor's visit costs 26€ and you get most of that back, and they'll come to your house for 35€) so people are more likely to stay home when sick.  

Adopt me. Pretty please! Why is America so backwards when it comes to healthcare?

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1 hour ago, KelseyAnn said:

Wait- you still have doctor's making house calls?

Yes!  And now they bring a little electronic card reader so you can pay with your bank card and not have to drag your sick self down to the atm for cash.  If you need a housecall you call the doctor's answering service in the morning and they put you on the list.  The doctor will come at some point - you know if it'll be afternoon or morning (if office hours are in the morning that day housecalls are in the afternoon) but not exactly when, but you aren't going anywhere because you are sick. Once mine got snowed in and ran too late and called me from her personal phone at like 7pm to apologize, make sure I was doing ok, and tell me I was first on the list for the next day.  

They are amazing for older and disabled people, when you can't leave the bathroom or have a raging fever etc.  If you need blood taken you have to go into the office though, or to a lab later.

@formergothardite I would if I could!  That 35€ is the price you pay if you have nothing but the standard universal care everyone has.  If you have extra private insurance, which most people do, you submit a form the doctor gives you during the visit and get back a majority of the cost directly into you bank account a couple weeks later.  There are no forms, no arguments, no need to have something approved.  You put a sticker with your info on your single page form  the doctor filled in and drop it off or mail it.   And that private insurance?  Ours was 180€ this year - that is for a full year, for 2 people.  

Specialists and tests are pricier but no comparison to the US and again most people get most of it back.  There is little to no wait if it is an urgent matter.  We pay a lot in taxes but just the medical system makes it worth it in my opinion.  I dealt with the American system for years and would rather throw myself into the ocean and die than do it again.

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On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 1:15 AM, just_ordinary said:

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Well, if infected people are out and about (still have no idea how this is even possible- I am already dying from a cold) you need a higher vaccine rate not to get infected too. In Europe people stay at home so people cannot catch the flu so easily. 

What bothers me most, is that in the last two seasons the vaccines seem to be not as effective as before. Lots of people opt to get it even though they are not part of a risk group and we still had an absurd high rate of people admitted to hospital. It makes me wonder what happened. I have already seen crazy speculation and conspiracy theories which is quite annoying. Hopefully next influenza season will go over more smoothly. 

What concerns me personally is that many suffered from side effects that were severe enough to had to be treated with antibiotics. In a time were people eat that stuff like candy (not to forget about its use in lifestock farming) and we have more and more problems with multiresistent bacteria this is really bad timing. I am far more scared to catch shit like that than the flu. 

Yes! This season and last season, I got the flu a few months after getting the vaccine. I recovered quicker than the years I didn't get the shot, so no complaints here. This year's bout, I didn't start to feel sick until late afternoon. I felt a little tired in the morning, but it hit me like a Mack truck and by 3pm I could barely move; my coworker asked if I felt alright, and I just burst into tears. I work in a hospital, so all I could think about while I was home sick, was how many people I exposed to the flu just going about my work. And how many people they exposed. And so on.

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I'm kind of amazed by these stories of how many times some of you guys have had the flu. I'm 28 this summer and have never once had the flu. My husband either. I don't think my parents (late 50s/early 60s) have had it, nor my brother. Obviously, the flu is still a thing in Germany, but just from the stories here, it makes me think it's much more common in the US?! Makes me want to re-think my stance on getting the vaccine next flu season now that I live in the US. As many other Europeans have said, the flu shot is not recommended for healthy adults in most European countries, so I've never gotten it. But it seems only a matter of time until you catch it in the US. Thankfully, my employer offers unlimited (paid) sick days, so I'm lucky by US standards. But people still come into work sick more than they do in Germany.

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1 hour ago, JillyO said:

I'm kind of amazed by these stories of how many times some of you guys have had the flu. I'm 28 this summer and have never once had the flu. My husband either. I don't think my parents (late 50s/early 60s) have had it, nor my brother. Obviously, the flu is still a thing in Germany, but just from the stories here, it makes me think it's much more common in the US?! Makes me want to re-think my stance on getting the vaccine next flu season now that I live in the US. As many other Europeans have said, the flu shot is not recommended for healthy adults in most European countries, so I've never gotten it. But it seems only a matter of time until you catch it in the US. Thankfully, my employer offers unlimited (paid) sick days, so I'm lucky by US standards. But people still come into work sick more than they do in Germany.

US here!  I feel extremely fortunate as far as having the flu.  My Mom tells me I had it at 3 or 4.  But I haven't had it again, and I'm 56 now.  I have had a flu shot for the last few years though. 

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23 hours ago, Hisey said:

People don't leave their homes in Europe?

Well, from all that the few people that I know that had the flu told me: no. They go and see the doctor and then stay in bed. (Which is how we deal with illnesses) Most were ill for about two weeks and could barely move. So I really don’t understand how someone is able to work when having it. It sounds as if showing up would be hard enough if not impossible.

Sometimes our chef even tells us to stay at home for one or two days when we have a cold. We don’t infect each other at work (no ping pong) and are back to 100% faster. Especially in the health and education sector you have a big responsibility to your subjects.

It is actually quite economical. Your body gets rest to deal with it and your boss gets a fit worker that does provides productivity and effectiveness instead of dragging it on which can lead to more conditions and ill people not able to work in their full capacity. 

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14 hours ago, KelseyAnn said:

Wait- you still have doctor's making house calls?

I hesitated a little to add this but its honestly not meant in an "we are so superior" way. The comparison to realities elsewhere in the western world are just so shocking no matter how many times you hear/read it. You, our dear American friends are ripped off massively with health care and it is a disgrace, you deserve much better. I feel frustrated for you, cannot imagine the reality. In Australia, we still get house calls in metro areas but now its via a national service run by the government (if  you dont care what doctor you see and yes its easier to pull off with the size of our country i know.) You might have to wait a few hours but Medicare then covers it and you just pay for prescriptions if needed. You still have your regular GP and specialists etc. who are free or you get decent rebates. I am not surprised people  do all they can in the US to avoid being sick especially when you take into account leave policies and insurances on top of dr's services. Its madness :( 

 

ETA: Veterinary bills on the other hand, may be the death of me...

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There's a saying in Spain: "flu with medication lasts for a week, while without medication lasts for 7 days".

Most people with flu just need to rest for some days and no big deal. Of course, elders and immunodepressed people can die from the flu, so it's not a joke. But reading all these posts about flu, I'm wondering if America's flu is worse than European one.

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5 hours ago, HurricaneBells said:

I hesitated a little to add this but its honestly not meant in an "we are so superior" way.

You are superior. :laughing-jumpingpurple:

Back when I worked at a church daycare one of the other women working had a baby and came back to work in around two weeks because she literally couldn't afford to take anymore time off. We had parents dropping off sick kids an an almost weekly basis. We couldn't call unless the child was vomiting or running a fever, so most of the time the parents gave medication to keep the fever down at first. We would call and it would take forever for them to come pick up the child. These parents weren't doing this because they were shit parents, they did it because they couldn't afford to take a whole day off work. 

1 hour ago, Melissa1977 said:

But reading all these posts about flu, I'm wondering if America's flu is worse than European one.

I wonder if it is just because people aren't resting. 

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I used to not understand either why people left the house when they had the flu... until I became a working mom. I'm super lucky in that I get plenty of sick leave, but suppose I get sick and am out for 4 days... and then one kid after the other gets sick, too. Consecutively of course; they are never considerate enough to get sick concurrently. I end up being out for a good 2.5 weeks at this point. I have the sick time banked to cover it, but I have to provide doctor's notes for being out more than 5 days, so I have to go to the multiple doctor's visits while I'm sick and each subsequent child is sick, just to get the notes needed to be out sick. And then come back to a shitstorm of work on my desk, which will takes me weeks to get caught up. Damn straight we all get flu shots! Luckily, I'm the only one who still gets the flu anyway, sometimes twice in one season.

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3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

I wonder if it is just because people aren't resting. 

I wonder this as well. I work in an office job that is "9-5" but on many days is more like 8-6. I get 15 days a year off, in addition to the major holidays, which I do realize may be more than the average in the US. I'm sure I already have a weaker immune system (I have asthma which I've been told makes me more susceptible to the flu anyway), but also feel like I'm always running around and never stop and get sick frequently (who even gets tonsillitis in June anyway!?!?). My in-laws in England, however, are able to travel and take time off way more frequently. My father-in-law had the ability to retire before turning 60, and my mother-in-law works for the government and gets 5+ weeks off. They both seem to have a schedule that allows/ed them to be home and eating dinner by 5:30 on the dot each and every day, as well as take a couple of 1-2 week vacations every year, giving them ample time to recharge.

This has been the biggest adjustment to my husband moving here. He says he works much harder in the US than he did back in England, but doesn't have as much to show for it (due to the cost of living differences). I technically make more money than my in-laws do/did. However, making more money here still doesn't enable me to buy a house, for example, like they were able to do on "lesser" salaries. 

Want to buy a house? Work harder to get promotion. Get promotion? Work harder due to increased responsibility. Work harder? Get sick. Rinse. Repeat.

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8 hours ago, Melissa1977 said:

There's a saying in Spain: "flu with medication lasts for a week, while without medication lasts for 7 days".

We have the same saying in Germany :-)

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3 hours ago, ophelia said:

We have the same saying in Germany :-)

I thought we say that about a cold :tw_sweat_smile:

And while it is totally true for a cold, I still love all those medications you can pick up without prescription to ease the symptoms. (In my case nose spray and Wick Medi Night. Nothing lets you sleep like a babe as this combination of free breathing, painkiller and alcohol.)

 

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It might also be that the flu is, in many peoples jargon, synonymous with a bad cold. It is not, really. So the flu shot won't protect you from all the other nasty viral diseases floating around, that makes you sick with some if the same symptoms, but is not in fact THE flu. 

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5 hours ago, Thorns said:

It might also be that the flu is, in many peoples jargon, synonymous with a bad cold. It is not, really. So the flu shot won't protect you from all the other nasty viral diseases floating around, that makes you sick with some if the same symptoms, but is not in fact THE flu. 

Yes!! This drives me nuts. If you are able to stand up and get to work, it’s not the actual flu. 

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I think I only suffered from the REAL flu once. I had to stay in bed for at least a week and had to see a doctor. For the first two days I could hardly brief, because it felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest. Even going to the bathroom was so exhausting. 

I hadn't felt like this since I was 7 and was down with scarlet fever.

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WTF? A vow renewal 5 yrs in and not on your anniversary is just weird. Either Zach or Whitney cheated, or they are "repenting" of not trusting the lord with children. 

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Normally I would agree with you, @crazysnark: likely reasons for a vow renewal for a young couple are mostly negative, like infidelity.

But they're reality TV stars. And I bet that weddings are the biggest ratings draw for the Bates' show. So if they don't have a real! live! wedding! on the books for this upcoming season, then a vow renewal is maybe the next best thing?

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Whitney's vow renewal dress has just sailed into first place in Bates wedding dresses! I love it so much! :) 

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1 hour ago, Carm_88 said:

Whitney's vow renewal dress has just sailed into first place in Bates wedding dresses! I love it so much! :) 

It's a great dress. 

I am still really scratching my head at a vow renewal for your four year and seven month anniversary. It's not like they didn't get a white wedding the first time around. And I thought my cousin's ten year vow renewal ceremony was over the top...

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This is very odd. I have never heard of a vow renewal so early unless the couple had serious issues or didn’t have a big wedding the first time. And not even on//near their anniversary? WERID!!!!

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