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1 hour ago, Melissa1977 said:

I bet she's going to Crown. The college seems to offer very low tuition to Bateseses. And their classes will be focused on modesty, conversely to a real university ones. I think modesty nursing may be attractive for fundie good student girls. I imagine it's similar to the nursing classes nuns would take in the past: don't look at this, don't look at that, if you have to touch a man it's for godly purposes, etc.

I'm SURE Kelly has done something to make Michael come back. She may have negociated the tuition price or offered Michael financial help. Kelly is very manipulative, she needs a mother for her youngest 5 and she's gonna have Micheal near (and Tori, probably as a teacher). Michael will study but let's see how many weekends the young ones spend at her new home. And I'm going to be double bad now: once Erin has #4, auntie Michael will have Carson or Brook as well.

It's true that they didn't look happy in Chicago (or at least Michael didn't), but coming back is not the best prospect in my opinion. 829A56DE-1B75-43B6-B9AD-BCBBD44E2ECA.thumb.png.7f9130eede21c8fad68a69bd2c20db42.png6CDA80EE-9E53-49D1-AF60-0A2DC4CCD6D5.thumb.png.b5d266855a1712ec35d96a331f606421.png1B5698B5-3A30-41BB-B54B-E4738167EE92.thumb.png.8644a1a6543c34be0af78fbbd1c27315.png

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Yeah, I agree with everyone on the board. I'm happy that Michael's going to college to be a nurse. That's great. And I hate that she'll most likely end up raising the remaining of her siblings. 

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Of course Michael has to move back! Not only will she have to raise her youngest siblings for Kelly, but there is also a whole new crop of nieces and nephews to toilet train. As I recall, she was the one who toilet trained many of her siblings.

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Crown College does not have the nursing full degree, they only have the Pre-Nursing track which is two year based program. If Michaela goes to Crown  nursing school she  probably switching  to a christian online nursing school or go to a local University!

 

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Well this is interesting that Michael is moving back to TN.   While I am happy that she's pursuing the nursing but at the same time, I am concerned she will be roped back into helping at Chez Bateseses.   I agree that she seemed to be isolated in Chicago but IIRC there were times she made it back home to be shown helping out.   I hope that part of this decision is not because she was guilted in some way to come back.   

Bit of a story behind my concerns: I had a sibling who frankly became the Michael of our family.  She spent inordinate amounts of time cleaning and cooking in her too long years at home.  My parents and other sister got used to it and it was a huge shock when this sister married and moved 1300 miles away.   I was long out of the house when all this was going on and I personally thought that the best thing for my sister was to move that far away.   Because of the pull the family had on her time and focus, I felt she would have never gotten the space she needed to focus on her new life.  I think that was the same for Michael.   Not that it was hard for Michael to be that far away from her family but it was good for her and Brandon.    Hopefully they can set some boundaries because frankly parents like Gil and Kelly are the type who will engulf their kids if they let them.  And don't let some of your siblings rope you into that Cinderella role either, Michael.

As far as Brandon's job, I am sure he got something and yeah, it seems that he would jump off the sinking ship. 

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Well, I am happy that Michaela is going to have a chance at something else in her life and that Brandon appears to be supporting her.  I don't have kids, but I feel for them with the fertility issues.  I'm sure they never thought life would turn out like it has thus far.  I'm still conflicted because I wouldn't really want their potential child to be raised in this life, but I still feel sad for Michaela.  Maybe this nursing school/job will prove to her that she can have a life outside of children, and it could be fulfilling.

I am not as happy that she's moving back near home and may be expected to "pick up the pieces " for her parents and siblings, raising children.  I hope she'll be able to set clear boundaries with everyone.  She'll need to be able to explain that she must have time to study.  People can't just be dropping random kids off at random times whenever the mood strikes them.  She can't be expected to sew eleventy bridesmaids dresses the night before the wedding.

I really hope Gil and Kelly get some sense and they don't "use" Michaela.  Kelly is probably in panic city, because Carlin is leaving, and Katie has one foot out the door.  Good luck, Kelly and Gil!

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1 hour ago, countrytennesseangirl_09 said:

Crown College does not have the nursing full degree, they only have the Pre-Nursing track which is two year based program. If Michaela goes to Crown  nursing school she  probably switching  to a christian online nursing school or go to a local University!

 

She may only complete that and not use the degree. I think everyone is right in saying she was lonely in Chicago and she may not mind at all being home to ‘help’ Kelly and her siblings. She loves kids and for now, can’t have her own... i think if she goes to a crown it’s likely just pauingblip service - having a reason to move home to be close to family... and frankly she doesn’t need an excuse of her and Brandon want to do that more power to them.

5 minutes ago, MaryOrMartha said:

Will Michael study to become a real nurse or the kind Abbie Duggar is?

An LPN is a licenced practical nurse. I believe it’s a one year degree as opposed to an RN at 2 years or BSN at 4 years. Although i think there are some differences in the jobs they can qualify for, I would say that an LPN is a nurse. It’s not like an unaccredited midwifery program or something. It’s real, it’s just different.

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1 hour ago, MaryOrMartha said:

Will Michael study to become a real nurse or the kind Abbie Duggar is?

An LPN is a licenced practical nurse. I believe it’s a one year degree as opposed to an RN at 2 years or BSN at 4 years. Although i think there are some differences in the jobs they can qualify for, I would say that an LPN is a nurse. It’s not like an unaccredited midwifery program or something. It’s real, it’s just different.

Yes, an LPN is a real nurse; not the same as a Registered Nurse (RN) but definitely real.

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GIven that she has an associate of science in general healthcare from Roane, I doubt she's headed to Crown. It would be the same classes minus the Bible ones as Crown. So more than likely she has been accepted into a technical college. LPN programs and RN programs are both offered at community and technical colleges. RN takes a little over two years, while LPN is more like 12 months to 18 months depending on how lucky you are at getting the right schedule and field work. This also depends how much core you have left to take. She should be done with that.  I would be surprised if she is going for her BSN. 

LPNs are very much real nurses. The curriculum for RNs and LPNs is very similar, but RNs tend to make more money and have more responsibility. LPNs are in high demand. Some states, including Tennessee offer grants that cover almost all the tuition and fees for those qualified to become and LPN because the demand is go great. A lot get their LPN for free under those programs and then take the additional classes to become an RN to make more money. The big difference in duties is RNs get to administer medicine and have more independence. An LPN normally reports to an RN and the doctor. 


 

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Doing a diploma based RN program is possible also. Pellissippi (sp?) Community State College has an RN program.

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Whether RN or LPN, 2 year degree or 4 year degree...it's a positive thing she's doing this. Huge step up from school of the dining room table and being a Z-rated reality TV "celebrity" and internet "influencer" like some of her siblings. 

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Good on Brandon. I've always gotten the impression most of the adult Bateses get on his nerves, so this may be a real sacrifice, even if there are personal benefits for him. 

Also, for as much as fundies idealize the patiently waiting stay-at-home wife who lives only for her Bible and her man, the reality of being Michaela's whole focus and entire local support system must have been tough, especially with the constant stress and sadness of infertility. It doesn't mean he loves her any less, but Brandon may feel grateful to have other people and pursuits filling Michael's days.

At the same time, I do wonder what kind of financial fancy footwork is going on behind the scenes. IIRC, the IBLP board is not actually very big, meaning Gil likely has considerable influence, which in a way makes him Brandon's boss. Gil may have been able to drum up a financial incentive or work arrangement that was appealing, or he may have been able to use his leverage to kind of force Brandon's hand (I think this is less likely, but who knows with that organization).

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I'm wondering wether Michael and Brandon, who seem to be the most fundie couple (Tori and Bobby come close to them), will attend Gil's church since none of the other married kids seem to go there. After reading some extracts from Gil's sermons that doesn't surprise me much, but it will be interesting to see where Michael and Brandon will attend church on Sunday. 

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13 hours ago, rebeccawriter01 said:

GIven that she has an associate of science in general healthcare from Roane, I doubt she's headed to Crown. It would be the same classes minus the Bible ones as Crown. So more than likely she has been accepted into a technical college. LPN programs and RN programs are both offered at community and technical colleges. RN takes a little over two years, while LPN is more like 12 months to 18 months depending on how lucky you are at getting the right schedule and field work. This also depends how much core you have left to take. She should be done with that.  I would be surprised if she is going for her BSN. 

LPNs are very much real nurses. The curriculum for RNs and LPNs is very similar, but RNs tend to make more money and have more responsibility. LPNs are in high demand. Some states, including Tennessee offer grants that cover almost all the tuition and fees for those qualified to become and LPN because the demand is go great. A lot get their LPN for free under those programs and then take the additional classes to become an RN to make more money. The big difference in duties is RNs get to administer medicine and have more independence. An LPN normally reports to an RN and the doctor. 


 

I think with the various nursing „levels“ in the US people get confused. If you cannot give a shot, pass our medicine or take blood you are actually not a „real“ nurse in my country. Because that are all tasks that come with the job here. Obviously a doctor tells them what to do but they are doing it on their own. Nurses here are absolutely able to administer say pain killers on their own too. I don’t think we do have anything that resembles a LPN. Maybe the staff at a doctors office? But I think even they could do more by their education, just their job doesn’t need them too. But maybe I am mistaken in that case. There surely seem to be many more levels in careers in the US though. It’s very confusing sometimes.

I am surprised that Michael choose nursing. Iirc her degree was in education. Being a teacher or kindergartener would have seemed a better fit to me. No modesty problems and lots of children to take care off. It’s actually a win - win for Gil and Kelly. They have their head sister mum back and in a few years time she can care for her old parents as well.

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31 minutes ago, just_ordinary said:

I think with the various nursing „levels“ in the US people get confused. If you cannot give a shot, pass our medicine or take blood you are actually not a „real“ nurse in my country. Because that are all tasks that come with the job here. Obviously a doctor tells them what to do but they are doing it on their own. Nurses here are absolutely able to administer say pain killers on their own too. I don’t think we do have anything that resembles a LPN. Maybe the staff at a doctors office? But I think even they could do more by their education, just their job doesn’t need them too. But maybe I am mistaken in that case. There surely seem to be many more levels in careers in the US though. It’s very confusing sometimes.

I am surprised that Michael choose nursing. Iirc her degree was in education. Being a teacher or kindergartener would have seemed a better fit to me. No modesty problems and lots of children to take care off. It’s actually a win - win for Gil and Kelly. They have their head sister mum back and in a few years time she can care for her old parents as well.

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LPNs in the US typically work in assisted living facilities or nursing homes, as well as doctors offices or clinics. In some states they can distribute medication or start an IV. In others they can't. In most states they are allowed to draw blood. I know at my doctor's office the LPN is the one who does give me my B12 shot weekly. The doctor tells her to do so, but my doctor has one RN and three LPNs working for him. He also has a phlebotomist to do the blood work, as most of us going to him have issues that make us "hard sticks."

LPNs are very much real nurses though some confuse this with a CNA (Certified Nurse Assistant) or a PCT (Patient Care Technician). Those two are the ones who work in care situations and take vitals, feed patients, do sponge baths, etc. Those programs are typically one semester or two, but also require testing. I have a cousin who is a CNA. Her job currently is to watch the monitors for the patients in the ICU. 

Michaela did not study education. She got a generalized AS degree in health science. This is what most community colleges and technical colleges in the US require until you are admitted into a healthcare program like nursing, radiography, etc. She told Carlin that she studied that because of her experience and training as a volunteer EMT. So far she's the only one of the Bates kids to earn a degree from a public college program. Zach went through the law enforcement academy, but that is not a degree program since he did that as a candidate for a job rather than as part of a criminal justice program.

Tori is the one who studied education (though it is from Crown and the State of Tennessee's Board of Education doesn't recognize Crown as a teacher prep program). She would be eligible to work in a childcare center (if she passed the exam) as a lead teacher or as an assistant. There are also some churches that have schools that would probably be willing to hire her. 

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@rebeccawriter01 thanks for your explanation! Thinking about it, we absolutely have those kind of jobs- we just don’t call them nurses.

I obviously remembered Michael‘s degree wrong. In that case a nursing degree makes total sense. 

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13 hours ago, ColeJo said:

Doing a diploma based RN program is possible also. Pellissippi (sp?) Community State College has an RN program.

I'm familiar with that one. It's a bridge program, which is one year. However, you pretty much have to have already had all of the LPN classes completed in order to do it in one year. 

Many two year schools have started offering this, as it is was ridiculous to make an LPN who already took all these classes apply to an RN program like a brand new student in the program. There were also issues because there is so much competition to get in a nursing program at any level. This way the programs can admit more by having more programs and cohorts.

Congrats to Michaela for getting in wherever she ended up! Healthcare programs, in general, are harder than most others in terms of admissions. This is really true of the nursing ones.  She's clearly a smart woman, and it's great to see her rise above the box her parents painted her into with her upbringing. 

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My nephew is in an interesting program at a local state university. He already has a BS in health tech from another university. He is now in a paramedic degree program that should take about 12-18 months, depending on how quickly the student completes the intern hours. Upon completion he can sit for the RN board test or work as a paramedic. All the students in this program already have BS degrees. 

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One thing I am glad of is that Michael holds a degree from a community college that can get her into a healthcare program.   She has a good springboard into a nursing program and I think she knows that she needs to get into an accredited program not something like Crown.  I hate to see her waste her time and money on a bunch of bible classes when she needs to get to the nitty gritty science and nursing stuff.  

 

 

 

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She already has a real degree, I doubt she'll waste all that work for a Clown degree. 

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46 minutes ago, HermioneSparrow said:

She already has a real degree, I doubt she'll waste all that work for a Clown degree. 

This. Something about the way she said "build on the college degree I already have" (not sure if I have the wording from the post right, but something like that) makes me think she'll go for a more traditional/accredited program. Time will tell, but I'm happy for her that she's pursuing this. 

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There is something with the health care system in the US that is so confusing. Even though I’ve grow up with American hospital tv shows I don’t get your structure... [emoji848]

In Sweden we have three levels of nurses and medical secretaries. This is how it works here:

Undersköterska - Assistant nurse
18 months, high school level
Pracical care worker in health care, home care or elderly care.

Medicinsk sekreterare - Medical secretary
2 years, vocational college
Secretary, administration work such as referrals, medical records and statistics.

Sjuksköterska - Nurse
3 years, university bachelor degree
Is autonomously in charge of clinical care, distribution of meds, and carrying out doctors orders.

Specialistsjuksköterska - Nurse specialist
12-18 months after the bachelor, (total 4-5 years) university master’s degree
In most sectors specialization is required for a few of the nurses in a department. In other sectors (such as ambulance care and the surgery department) it’s mandatory with a specialization degree.

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15 hours ago, pippi said:

This. Something about the way she said "build on the college degree I already have" (not sure if I have the wording from the post right, but something like that) makes me think she'll go for a more traditional/accredited program. Time will tell, but I'm happy for her that she's pursuing this. 

Plus, apparently Clown College only offers a Pre-Nursing degree, which honestly makes no sense for her given that Michaela already has an associates.

She strikes me as a person who likes to be productive and busy, I'm guessing she thinks since she's not busy with motherhood she may as well grow in other areas and keep herself busy doing what she likes and that's great, better than being obnoxious and famewhorish like the rest of her family.

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