Jinjer 38: Bun in the Oven

[InTheNameofRufus]

10 hours ago, SassyPants said:

 

I am so confused about Easter/Resurrection Day.

When I was Catholic, Easter was thought to be one of the Holiest days of the year, and most important on the church's liturgical calendar. Now it seems the big day in many churches is Good Friday and Easter is just another Sunday.

Don't many churches have the celebration on Saturday????

 

 

Maybe I can help..... Easter Sunday is most definitely the most Holy day of the Catholic Church’s calendar (at least it is in my area).  However, Easter Week (the week immediately before Easter Sunday) is important as well. Our Bishop celebrates a Chrism, or High, mass on Tuesday at which the oils used in various ceremonies throughout the year are blessed.

At mass on Holy Thursday, the washing of the feet is done to mimic the washing of Christ’s feet. (Only been to this mass once)

Good Friday usually involves the stations of the cross. As this is also the day on which Christ was put to death, some people (like my in laws) also sit in silence and reflect from noon to 3pm (the hours Christ was on the cross). My kids hate having to do this when they are with my in laws, the no technology rule is in effect!

Holy Saturday involves the Blessing of the baskets, maybe an egg hunt depending on the parish.  Saturday evening mass is the Easter Vigil, where new members of the Church receive their Sacraments. This can be a friggin long mass. I usually avoid it. 

Sorry if this is long. This is just my experience with Easter week. YMMV depending on your parish. I have never heard of “Resurrection Day” until I started learning about the Duggars.

Also, is there a correct way to wish someone a happy Passover? I’ve been avoiding wishing people happy Easter because it’s rude to assume everyone celebrates it, but I’m not sure of the etiquette for Passover. Any info would be welcome!

[Knight of Ni]

I noticed a lot of social media posts about how Easter and common Easter symbols such as rabbits and eggs come from the Babylonian goddess Ishtar. So calling the day Easter is pandering to a pagan tradition. These people call it Resurrection Day to make it clear they won’t have anything to do with ungodly pagans. 

[SweetJuly]

6 hours ago, InTheNameofRufus said:

Also, is there a correct way to wish someone a happy Passover? I’ve been avoiding wishing people happy Easter because it’s rude to assume everyone celebrates it, but I’m not sure of the etiquette for Passover. Any info would be welcome!

To be honest, I am not 100% certain of the etiquette in English as I use the Hebrew phrases with my friends and family, and don't live in an English-speaking country, but as Passover actually is a very happy occasion I would hazard that "Happy Passover" is absolutely acceptable.

In Hebrew, one generally wishes a "Kosher and joyful Passover", so if you don't struggle with the "ch"-sound you can say "(chag) pessach kasher vesameach" or simply "chag sameach"

As I am the only Jew at my office but we have a few Christian Orthodox and Muslim colleagues, I tend to wish people simply a happy Easter weekend or happy long weekend. It doesn't offend me when someone says "Happy Easter" to me as I know the intention is to wish me a lovely and happy time, and even if Easter and Passover don't coincide I will be spending the extra day off work with my family which is always a holiday in itself  

[feministxtian]

7 hours ago, InTheNameofRufus said:

Holy Saturday involves the Blessing of the baskets, maybe an egg hunt depending on the parish.  Saturday evening mass is the Easter Vigil, where new members of the Church receive their Sacraments. This can be a friggin long mass. I usually avoid it. 

For many years I sang the Vigil Mass...OH MY GOD...it went on FOREVER!! It was worse than Midnight Mass...when we'd start at 11:30 with the damn carols. 

I'm not Catholic anymore...long story and this is neither the time nor the place for that one. 

This year, I sang morning services and the evening services for Christmas Eve...that was when my back said "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME" and that was the end of singing in the choir. 

[InTheNameofRufus]

@SweetJuly    Thanks for your response! I will confess that I lack A LOT of knowledge about Judaism, I need to do some more reading! Glad to know I am hopefully not offending anyone if I say Happy Easter. 

@feministxtian   OMG I bet the singing was beautiful at your vigil masses. That is always a highlight (I can’t sing a note!) 

Forgot about how eggs and other Easter traditions can be traced back to pagan roots. Makes sense if the fundies just want to focus on Jesus to call it Resurrection Day. My bad. 

[SweetJuly]

@InTheNameofRufus Of course I can't speak for other people, and I don't know where you live and how sensitivities are regarding wishing people a Happy Whatever there, but personally I have decided to not be offended when someone is clearly trying to be nice/polite

 

 

[HereticHick]

12 minutes ago, SweetJuly said:

@InTheNameofRufus Of course I can't speak for other people, and I don't know where you live and how sensitivities are regarding wishing people a Happy Whatever there, but personally I have decided to not be offended when someone is clearly trying to be nice/polite

 

 

Me too. Wish me happy Diwali/Passover/Easter/Kwanzaa/Eid--whatever you want. I'm taking it in the spirit in which its intended

[Meggo]

12 hours ago, InTheNameofRufus said:

 

 

Good Friday usually involves the stations of the cross. As this is also the day on which Christ was put to death, some people (like my in laws) also sit in silence and reflect from noon to 3pm (the hours Christ was on the cross). My kids hate having to do this when they are with my in laws, the no technology rule is in effect!

 

I thought my parents were the only people who did that "silence & reflect" - man I hated that...(and I hated the stations of the cross)

[Nargus]

On 2018-04-04 at 8:53 AM, SassyPants said:

I don't think Jessa carried large with her boys until the end.

 Excuse my quick phone collage of the 2 but you’re right, Jessa never carried overly big at the start. Her at 25 weeks (with either pregnancy)  isn’t that much bigger than Jinger at 22. 

[potato]

Just your local Orthodox Christian popping in to say that Easter is the biggest holiday of the year for us (church-wise, at least) as well.  Holy Week is also really big- we have about 16 different services between the Saturday of Lazarus/the day before Palm Sunday and Easter.  Our Easter is this Sunday and I'm incredibly excited for it!

[justmy2cents]

5 hours ago, Nargus said:

 Excuse my quick phone collage of the 2 but you’re right, Jessa never carried overly big at the start. Her at 25 weeks (with either pregnancy)  isn’t that much bigger than Jinger at 22. 

I agree. I think some people think Jinger looks like she's carrying smaller because she seems to be carrying higher so it looks different/smaller.

[louisa05]

21 hours ago, InTheNameofRufus said:

 

Maybe I can help..... Easter Sunday is most definitely the most Holy day of the Catholic Church’s calendar (at least it is in my area).  However, Easter Week (the week immediately before Easter Sunday) is important as well. Our Bishop celebrates a Chrism, or High, mass on Tuesday at which the oils used in various ceremonies throughout the year are blessed.

At mass on Holy Thursday, the washing of the feet is done to mimic the washing of Christ’s feet. (Only been to this mass once)

Good Friday usually involves the stations of the cross. As this is also the day on which Christ was put to death, some people (like my in laws) also sit in silence and reflect from noon to 3pm (the hours Christ was on the cross). My kids hate having to do this when they are with my in laws, the no technology rule is in effect!

Holy Saturday involves the Blessing of the baskets, maybe an egg hunt depending on the parish.  Saturday evening mass is the Easter Vigil, where new members of the Church receive their Sacraments. This can be a friggin long mass. I usually avoid it. 

Sorry if this is long. This is just my experience with Easter week. YMMV depending on your parish. I have never heard of “Resurrection Day” until I started learning about the Duggars.

Also, is there a correct way to wish someone a happy Passover? I’ve been avoiding wishing people happy Easter because it’s rude to assume everyone celebrates it, but I’m not sure of the etiquette for Passover. Any info would be welcome!

Holy Thursday's washing of the feet actually is the priest washing the feet of 12 parishioners in commemoration of Jesus washing the feet of the 12 apostles. That mass also commemorates the Last Supper, institution of the Eucharist and of the priesthood. At the beginning of the mass, the Chrism oils consecrated at the diocese's cathedral by the bishop are officially received in each parish church. (A high mass and the chrism mass are not synonyms by the way. It is called the chrism mass because the oils used for baptism, confirmation and anointing of the sick are blessed).

Good Friday can have stations of the cross, but that is not required. The service is adoration of the cross and includes the reading of the Passion. Stations is not done at the same time if it is offered on that day. Unlike every other day in the year, there is no mass with consecration of the eucharist on Good Friday. Communion is served but it was consecrated at the Holy Thursday mass the night before. 

Holy Saturday does not have mass until the Easter Vigil which begins after sundown. Parishes also have Easter masses during the day on Sunday. 

Together, the services of Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter are called the Easter Triduum. 

[Satan'sFortress]

I am good with people wishing me a Happy Whatever Day except for holidays like Memorial Day.  That really irritates me.  It is not a happy day---it is a day to remember our armed forces who died while in service to the country.  And yes, I have had people actually do this.

re: Easter.  I agree that it is the holiest day in the Christian calendar, and yet I wonder why there is no outcry about the "war on Easter" like there is for Christmas.  I work in a cultural attraction/museum type place and we were open on Easter. I am really curious why more Christians don't make a big deal out of that.

[InTheNameofRufus]

@louisa05 Thanks for the clarification! It’s been a while since I went to many Holy Week masses, so I was going by what I remember. My sons are actually being confirmed in May, and part of their program was to attend the Chrism mass. It was the first one I’ve been to. In my husband’s family, chrism and high mass are used interchangeably, and I was unaware that they are not synonyms. (They’ve been trying to get me to go for YEARS)

My husband’s uncle is a Catholic priest, and my experience comes mostly from his parish. Of course, he is a bit unusual (he loves the casino, a good manhattan, and has been known to play Bruno Mars music during the communion meditation). At this point, I think my kids may know more about their faith than I do. Ugh. 

Also, thanks to everyone with their replies about the “happy Easter” wishes. I recently got yelled at while at work by a lady of the Jewish faith for not respecting HER holiday. (She may have been having a bad day). Glad to know I probably wasn’t offending anyone!

[SapphireSlytherin]

1 hour ago, Satan'sFortress said:

and yet I wonder why there is no outcry about the "war on Easter" like there is for Christmas. 

Because the media hasn't picked up on it yet, to let the seething masses know about it.

[SweetJuly]

8 hours ago, InTheNameofRufus said:

Also, thanks to everyone with their replies about the “happy Easter” wishes. I recently got yelled at while at work by a lady of the Jewish faith for not respecting HER holiday. (She may have been having a bad day). Glad to know I probably wasn’t offending anyone!

I'm sorry you had a bad experience  

I know sometimes people (especially in North America, it seems to me?) can be a bit touchy when it comes to religious holidays and wishing people a happy whatever. This has never occurred to me in Europe (or Israel, for that matter). It seems very difficult to try to keep track of the dates of all religious holidays for everyone and "respect" their holidays correctly, and I would never expect that of others except maybe close friends and family. And personally I don't like the idea that one should censor oneself and not give any holiday wishes just because someone might get offended if they don't celebrate it. It takes away joy from life for no real reason. It's a holiday, just be happy  

If some random colleague says Happy Easter to me at work, I just say "you too", smile and move on. If someone knows me well and wishes me a Happy Easter, I may say something like "I personally celebrate Passover this weekend, but thank you anyway and have a Happy Easter" My husband (who is Catholic) also does not get offended when someone wishes him a Happy Passover or says Shabbat shalom to him when he is in Israel.

I understand the motivation behind going against such "microaggressions", assuming that everyone follows the culture of the majority, etc., but there are better ways to deal with it than yell at someone who didn't mean any harm

[Nargus]

1 hour ago, SweetJuly said:

I'm sorry you had a bad experience  

I know sometimes people (especially in North America, it seems to me?) can be a bit touchy when it comes to religious holidays and wishing people a happy whatever. This has never occurred to me in Europe (or Israel, for that matter). It seems very difficult to try to keep track of the dates of all religious holidays for everyone and "respect" their holidays correctly, and I would never expect that of others except maybe close friends and family. And personally I don't like the idea that one should censor oneself and not give any holiday wishes just because someone might get offended if they don't celebrate it. It takes away joy from life for no real reason. It's a holiday, just be happy  

If some random colleague says Happy Easter to me at work, I just say "you too", smile and move on. If someone knows me well and wishes me a Happy Easter, I may say something like "I personally celebrate Passover this weekend, but thank you anyway and have a Happy Easter" My husband (who is Catholic) also does not get offended when someone wishes him a Happy Passover or says Shabbat shalom to him when he is in Israel.

I understand the motivation behind going against such "microaggressions", assuming that everyone follows the culture of the majority, etc., but there are better ways to deal with it than yell at someone who didn't mean any harm

All I ever assume is that someone wishing me a 'Happy Easter' celebrates Easter.  Not that they think I celebrate it.  Same goes for any other holiday.

If I don't know someone from Adam, I'm not going to assume what religion or holidays they observe. You can't assume just because someone looks a certain way, or is dressed a certain way that they observe a religious holiday.  So for me, if I'm celebrating a holiday, I'll wish someone a happy (that holiday).  If I know someone well enough to know what religion they are and what holidays they celebrate, I'll make the effort to know when they are and wish them well on those occasions too.

[justoneoftwo]

I don't get offended when people say the wrong holiday, or even when someone wished me a happy Yom Kippur.  (I did explain why that wasn't really what was said).  

I did get offended by the Yom Kippur cake, because your a business selling something you should do your research.  

[SweetJuly]

@justoneoftwo What is a Yom Kippur cake?

And why would anyone make this? Apart from showing ignorance, it just seems cruel

[justoneoftwo]

2 minutes ago, SweetJuly said:

@justoneoftwo What is a Yom Kippur cake?

And why would anyone make this? Apart from showing ignorance, it just seems cruel

Here is the article 

http://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-is-selling-a-yom-kippur-cake-2017-9

not only is it a cake for a fasting holiday, it includes all kinds of symbols of Jewish holidays, without regard to what holiday...  its special.

[SapphireSlytherin]

32 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

someone wished me a happy Yom Kippur.  (I did explain why that wasn't really what was said).  

May I respectfully ask what the proper greeting should be? Truly curious, and in no way am I intending to be insensitive.

[justoneoftwo]

Just now, SapphireSlytherin said:

May I respectfully ask what the proper greeting should be? Truly curious, and in no way am I intending to be insensitive.

I always like "have a meaningful fast" but its not really a greeting, more well wishing as you leave to go to Yom Kippur.  Given that its a holiday where people are in services all day you don't really great people outside of that much.  But you really can't go wrong with wishing people have a meaningful experience with it.

[Jana814]

55 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

I always like "have a meaningful fast" but its not really a greeting, more well wishing as you leave to go to Yom Kippur.  Given that its a holiday where people are in services all day you don't really great people outside of that much.  But you really can't go wrong with wishing people have a meaningful experience with it.

I say "have a safe and meaningful fast". 

[AtlanticTug]

Kind of getting the boy vibe with Jinger as well. Would be pretty funny if the next generation was devoid of sister moms.

[Ivycoveredtower]

5 minutes ago, AtlanticTug said:

Kind of getting the boy vibe with Jinger as well. Would be pretty funny if the next generation was devoid of sister moms.

Part of me wants only boys the other part feel bad for Meredith and Mckenzie if that happened and they were the only girls surronded by a bunch of boy cousins. I mean i guess Kenzie has the lost girls but Meredith has no girls around her own age.  (Yes you can say Davia but they don't seem to see them all that often.)