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48 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

The latest idiocy being spouted by gun-worshippers. 

 

Ritalin intake has increased in the UK since the 90s yet still no school shootings since 1996. These people will blame anything other than guns for the shooting. Did they not try to blame Marilyn Manson for Columbine because Harris and Klebold wore black and liked heavy metal? One of them had a Manson CD but they were not of even fans of him. 

 

 

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From the nephew of the Sandy Hook principal:

 

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Many men need to be taught that a woman doesn't have to guarantee you anything and to be able to take no. Obviously this isn't all men but it's not surprising that almost all of the shooters in school shootings have been men with some type of domestic violence/ misogynistic views. 

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49 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

Guns don't kill people, trenchcoats kill people 

 

The only way to stop a bad guy with a trench coat, is a good guy with a trench coat.

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Can I vent about my gun-worshipping nephew here?  Because I need to vent about my gun-worshipping nephew.  Background:  he is my brother's son, he's 26 and in the Army, and my brother is an extremely wealthy doctor.  Both of his kids were born on third base but are utterly convinced that they hit triples.  They were cute little boys who ultimately grew into hardcore right-wingers thoroughly convinced of their own superiority.  They both had mommy and daddy quietly pay for abortions for their girlfriends several years ago.  The other one didn't participate in this conversation but is exactly the same, and has been convicted of felony domestic violence.  So my mom (his grandma) posted this on Facebook yesterday:

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He is Eddy Kitt and I am Cliff Diver.  Claire Innett is my uncle, my mother's brother.  

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HOW AM I RELATED TO THIS?  What a little fucking shit.  "lol got you worked up lol lol safe spaces lol"

I normally try to ignore him but fuck.  Today was shitty in a multitude of ways and I was just NOT IN THE MOOD to stay quiet today.  And apparently Scientific Fucking American doesn't count as a valid source.  

Though I've got to admit it's novel being lectured on the moral downfall of America by a little boy whose diapers I changed, and oh, right - WHO HAD MOMMY AND DADDY PAY FOR HIS GIRLFRIEND'S ABORTION.

 

 

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Just saw this about a veteran's experience with weapons while serving in the US military;

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Most Americans would be surprised, for example, at how little time military personnel in particular spend with their weapons over the course of a career. Apart from firing on highly structured firing ranges or routine maintenance, access to your weapon on base is rare. Military Police provide security, so soldiers move about the base unarmed. There’s a reason for this: In the military, anything that reduces accidents, homicides or suicides isn’t put up for a vote. It’s a requirement.

The military’s strict rules on weapon and ammunition access can apply to wartime as well, as my own experience demonstrates. In 1991, I was a military intelligence officer in the U.S. Army Reserve. My unit was mobilized and sent to Fort Bragg, N.C. Shortly before boarding a plane to Saudi Arabia I was issued my M16 along with several magazines of live ammunition.

After a 16-hour trip — most of which I spent sitting on the hood of a truck with my back against the windshield trying to stay warm — we emerged into the intense desert heat. Because of the ear-splitting noise of departing jets we quickly inserted hearing protection, and then surrendered our ammunition.

That’s right. Once we arrived in an operational war zone, one of the first things the U.S. Army did was take our ammunition away.

Of course fuck face and his groupies would probably say this guy wasn't a "real" soldier.

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My letter got published this morning.

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So that this letter will be published, I’ll leave it to people’s imaginations of what I think of these never-ending litanies of thoughts and prayers, along with what I think these politicians and others should do with their thoughts and prayers.

I think if I had said for these gun nuts to take their fornicating penis extensions and shove them up their fornicating asses in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ I highly doubt the paper would have published it.  Hell, they didn't even want to publish a letter of mine that said WTF in it.

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I snorted really hard when I read this and now my nose hurts.

 

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49 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

I snorted really hard when I read this and now my nose hurts.

 

Hmmmm.... Knucklehead, if I remember correctly, the latest guy was a dancer for his church. 

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1 hour ago, fraurosena said:

I snorted really hard when I read this and now my nose hurts.

 

Just don't take a shower at his house.

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"Texas governor scraps shotgun giveaway after school shooting"

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has scrapped plans to give away a “Texas-made shotgun“ after a gunman used a shotgun in a Friday rampage that left 10 dead in a high school near Houston.

A spokesman for Abbott, a Republican, said Monday the campaign contest is still active, but the winner will now receive a $250 gift card.

The webpage for the contest has been changed from one featuring the governor holding a shotgun to one without any pictures, now advertising the gift card. The change was made over the weekend, the Abbott spokesman said.

Abbott’s reelection campaign launched the shotgun giveaway contest on May 1, prior to the high school murders in Santa Fe, Texas. The contest quickly caught the eyes of Texas gun control activists, who pressed Abbott over the weekend.

“I find this giveaway deeply disturbing for a number of reasons, chiefly among them the fact that Friday's shooting at Santa Fe HS was carried out with a shotgun,” Jack Kappelman, a student organizer of Austin’s March For Our Lives affiliate, wrote in an email to POLITICO. Kappelman is a senior at the Liberal Arts and Science Academy, a high school in Austin.

The contest also drew the attention of potential gubernatorial challengers, including Andrew White, who is running in the Democratic primary. White posted a picture on Twitter of an Abbott campaign door hanger that advertised the contest with a picture of a shotgun.

“If nominated on May 22, I won’t have to give away shotguns to get people to vote for me. Can you believe this?“ White wrote.

Abbott has promised “swift” action following last week’s school shooting, including a Tuesday roundtable to discuss next steps.

 

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A harsh truth, that cannot be overstated.

 

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It saddens me to the core, but I don't think this noble initiative will have any effect on the corrupted on the Hill. That horrific Reciprocity Act is going to pass no matter what. It's what the NRA paid for, after all.

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"‘If anything happens in that school, I’m coming in that door’: Meet the unarmed volunteers patrolling Stoneman Douglas High School"

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The moment David “Cobra” Clemente heard about the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February, he grabbed his red beret and red Guardian Angels jacket and raced over.

“I suited up and went straight to Parkland,” said Clemente, 59. “I had my guys meet me there.”

Clemente and two fellow members of the all-volunteer Broward County, Fla., Guardian Angels have put their lives on hold to conduct safety patrols at the school every day since the shooting — from about 6 a.m. until afternoon dismissal around 3 p.m.

Clemente, who has worked in the security field for decades, had been saving money over the years for a rainy day. Kids being killed not 10 minutes from his home was a storm.

“If anything happens in that school, I’m coming in that door,” said Clemente, who does not carry a weapon, but at six feet tall and 300 pounds is an imposing figure. “Anybody who looks like they don’t belong there is going down on the floor, I’m taking them down. We watch everything. We’d protect these students with our lives.”

Clemente and the two other Guardian Angels — Romero “Black Cat” Davis and Mark “Yankee” Munic — spend their days walking or biking the grounds, escorting students to the building upon request, parents say, and helping traumatized teens feel safe.

Nobody tells them to be there, and they don’t get paid for it. Clemente and the other two angels show up each day because they think it’s the right thing to do, and they feel they’re making a difference.

Clemente said the reason their patrols are effective is because they are there day in and day out for the community, which is raw after 17 students and teachers were killed in the mass shooting about three months ago.

“We don’t just come in and do one patrol or two patrols and leave,” he said. “That’s not what we do.”

The Parkland parent community has embraced them, buying them a tent as a “command center,” and bringing them breakfast and lunch, often homemade, every day. There is also a jar where parents sometimes drop in cash to support them.

“They are there every day without an agenda except to protect the kids,” said Jon Faber, a father of two boys at the school. “They have a good grip on what’s going on. They are in communication with the parents and the kids, they know everything, all the gossip. They have their finger on the pulse of the school.”

Faber helped them get a permit for their tent and patrols. Sometimes students bring them homemade cookies or cards to say thanks. And they get hugs, lots of hugs.

The Guardian Angels work separately from local law enforcement officers who are detailed to the school for protection — one of whom was scorned by some in the Parkland community for staying outside the building during the February mass shooting rather than running in to help.

Clemente said he’s been at the school enough to know many of the students by name, and he gets high-fives and gratitude from students and parents every day.

The Guardian Angels is a nonprofit group of volunteers that started in 1979 — and had its heyday in the 1980s — doing safety patrols in New York City, working to move drug dealers and violence out of city neighborhoods. Now there are chapters that operate across the United States and in other countries. Clemente was a Guardian Angel in New York and started a Broward County chapter when he moved to South Florida five years ago. He had never patrolled Parkland before, because as a safe community, there was no need.

He and his fellow Guardian Angels are trained in protection and take weekly martial arts classes, he said.

In recent days, he said, he’s been getting calls from Guardian Angels in Texas who want advice about how to approach the Santa Fe high school where 10 people were killed and another 10 wounded last week in the most recent mass school shooting.

Clemente said he and the others plan to stay at Marjory Stoneman Douglas through the end of the year. If parents request that he come back in the fall, he’ll reassess.

“Do I have the means to do this for years? No, but I have the means to do it for five months,” said Clemente, who has five children, three of whom are grown and two of whom attend a nearby middle school. “I don’t worry where my next meal is coming from. I care about these kids being safe.”

Guardian Angel Black Cat runs a local gym and has largely asked his staff to take over operations there while he has detailed himself to the school. The third Guardian Angel, Yankee, temporarily gave up his job selling concessions at a ballpark, and Clemente found him a place where he can live for a few months rent-free.

Clemente said they’ve never had to respond to an incident at the school or break up a fight — and that’s exactly the point.

“With our presence alone, they can just tell,” Clemente said. “They won’t play around or talk back to the Guardian Angels. The Guardian Angels go into the belly of the beast in Chicago, Detroit, Trenton. Wherever we go, we clean it up.”

The trio was recognized by the city of Parkland with a certificate of appreciation from the mayor and city commission. They also got a certificate of appreciation from Broward County. Marjory Stoneman Douglas parents have organized an event next Thursday to honor the Guardian Angels.

“Thank you for being here for us when we needed you most,” Parkland Mayor Christine Hunschofsky told them during a ceremony at city hall when she presented them with the certificate, according to a video taken at the event.

Clemente said that over the past few months, he’s become so close to the community that it’s like he’s protecting his own family. He added that his service to the school is “something every single human being should do in the first place.”

“The kids have been through too much trauma,” he said. “If I bring a pinch of hope to these kids, I am doing my job.”

And, of course, keeping them safe is his No. 1 priority.

“The president has his Secret Service, and the Parkland students got their Guardian Angels,” he said.

There's a picture of Mr. Clemente in the article. Yeah, I can't imagine anyone messing with him.

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So have any of you guys seen on your social media or anywhere saying that school shootings happen because it starts in the home? I keep seeing memes that are like "we wouldn't have school shootings if parents didn't beat their children!!"

Like what the f?!

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13 hours ago, candygirl200413 said:

So have any of you guys seen on your social media or anywhere saying that school shootings happen because it starts in the home? I keep seeing memes that are like "we wouldn't have school shootings if parents didn't beat their children!!"

Like what the f?!

If anything, I see the opposite:  "You didn't have all these school shootings back  when parents could beat discipline their kids."

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Another one: "Suspect in custody after active shooter report at Indiana middle school"

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A student and a teacher were injured in a shooting at a middle school in a suburb north of Indianapolis and a student has been taken into custody in connection with the incident, police said.

Noblesville Police Chief Kevin Jowitt said at a late morning press conference that multiple police agencies responded to the Noblesville West Middle School after receiving a report of an active shooter at 9:06 a.m. Jowitt said both victims were rushed to local hospitals and a male student was detained.

“We believe he is the involved suspect,” Jowitt said.

Jowitt said the school had been cleared and victims’ families were notified.

Fire and police officials did not detail the condition of the victims, but WISH TV in Indianapolis reported that a 13-year-old student and the teacher were in critical condition. The station reported the teacher was shot while attempting to intervene in the shooting.

The Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office said there is no indication any other suspects were involved in the shooting.

WISH TV reported that students at the scene had heard several shots, but they weren’t sure whether they originated inside or outside the building.

Video showed squad cars surrounding the school and students being led to a bus across a parking lot, in the hours after the shooting.

Jowitt said a threat had also been made against Noblesville High School, but so far authorities had no indication it was anything more serious. He said there were no threats against other schools in the area.

Noblesville is about 25 miles north of Indianapolis and has a population of about 60,000. The shooting occurred one week after 10 people were killed at school in Santa Fe, Texas.

Police planned to hold a second update on the shooting at 2 p.m. Central Time.

 

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Thankfully the three people who were shot are in good condition. The shooter was very obviously mentally ill, but still had an active licence as an armed guard. And of course this is being used as fodder by the NRA for their 'good guys with a gun' argument, and nobody is saying anything about the fact that a man who says a demon possessed squirrel is following him and he was recently attacked by his refrigerator should not have had access to firearms in the first place...

Poor bastard was killed for being mentally ill.

Armed bystanders gun down Oklahoma City restaurant shooter

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Police have praised two armed bystanders after they shot and killed a gunman who opened fire on diners at a restaurant in the US state of Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City police said four victims were injured on Thursday before the duo confronted the shooter as he fled the scene and "fatally shot him".

The gunman shot three people. A fourth person broke his arm. All the victims are in good condition, say police.

Police named the deceased suspect as 28-year-old Alexander Tilghman.

Police Capt Bo Mathews told reporters that the armed civilians, Juan Carlos Nazario, 35, and Bryan Wittle, 39, "took the right measures to be able to put an end to a terrible, terrible incident".

Mr Nazario and Mr Wittle did not know each other, but both retrieved firearms from their vehicles to confront the shooter.

Capt Mathews said the suspect, Mr Tilghman, shot at customers from outside the door of the restaurant, adding that "it could have been really tragic" if the gunman had actually entered the confined space.

"It doesn't look like [Tilghman] knew anybody at the restaurant. He didn't work at the restaurant," Capt Mathews said.

"It looked to me like a random event."

Mr Tilghman had a YouTube channel where he posted videos talking about demonic attacks, Fox 25 News reported.

But he held an active licence as an armed guard, the Oklahoma Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training told KOCO 5 News.

In one of his clips, he complains of a demon-possessed squirrel, and in another of his refrigerator attacking him.

In a video uploaded weeks before the attack, he said: "I am under hardcore demonic attack, you know.

"I really need some real people in my life so get in touch with me ASAP."

On a different YouTube page, a user claiming to be Mr Tilghman's brother said he was mentally disturbed, reports Fox 25.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has cited the incident as another "example of how the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

Louie's Grill & Bar in north-west Oklahoma City had more than 100 customers at the time of the shooting.

Capt Mathews said the gunman was wearing ear and eye protection typically used at shooting ranges.

"Looked like his mind was made up that he was going to discharge his firearm once he got there," Capt Mathews said.

Mr Tilghman shot at people from the front door of the restaurant, but he did not enter the premises.

Three victims were injured as a result of the shooting, and a fourth fell and broke his arm.

Ron Benton, one witness, told News 4 the shots sounded like "a rack of plates crashing" followed by "a pop, pop, pop sound".

"I spotted the [shooter] walking north up the sidewalk, and pointed him out to the guy who had the weapon," Mr Benton said.

"It's like, every day you hear the same story but it was just very odd to be in the middle of it."

 

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