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20 minutes ago, SamiKatz said:

I want to clarify what I said a bit.  I do believe that people always have the capacity to change, even Jeremy and his ilk. 

I agree with you however that a child should not be subject to their happiness and wellbeing being in jeopardy due to their parents personal beliefs or effed up values, but I also think that can happen with parents who are not fundies as well.  

It happens in families all the time regardless of belief systems. It happens because kids are gay or trans, sure. But it also happens because kids are not athletic enough to suit the sports-mad parents' fantasies of college scholarships or professional careers or trips to the Olympics. It also happens because the kids are not academic enough to suit the parents' fantasies about their futures as high-powered doctors or lawyers or whatever. It happens because a girl is too girly and her mother wanted a boy in the first place (there's one of these in my own family, poor young woman is about to turn 23 and spent her holiday break from college being yelled at for not making her asshole brother happy enough on Christmas or his birthday) or maybe she is not girly enough to suit her all pink and glitter mother. It happens because a boy is too masculine. Or not masculine enough. It happens to kids because their parents got divorced, both got remarried and had more, much younger kids and the teenage ones from the first marriage are in the way of the portrait of a happy family (one student of mine memorably defined her and her older brother as "the leftovers in the back of the fridge that no one wants to eat but won't throw out because they don't want to seem wasteful" in a paper for my English class). 

Just being not fundie doesn't guarantee that parents won't be assholes to their kids for one reason or another. But it isn't very trendy to worry about the rest of those kids. 

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2 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Just being not fundie doesn't guarantee that parents won't be assholes to their kids for one reason or another. But it isn't very trendy to worry about the rest of those kids.

But FJ is a forum devoted to discussing fundamentalists, not kids/parenting in general. That's why we generally discuss the problems inherent in fundamentalism rather than society at large, although that kind of thread drift definitely happens on a fairly regular basis. 

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9 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Just being not fundie doesn't guarantee that parents won't be assholes to their kids for one reason or another. But it isn't very trendy to worry about the rest of those kids.

'Trendy' ?!

 

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4 hours ago, Timetraveler said:

I am guessing Jessa will be pregnant soon as well. And then we can expect many pictures of Joy-Kendra-Jinger-Jessa and maybe Anna. 

I wouldn't be surprised if they all try to be pregnant together --Michelle will probably even try to get that to happen. Imagine what that would do for the brand. Plus Jimbob might just die from the size of his quiver expanding that much. He's doing a bang-up job creating his army for god 

I will say, i initially thought NOOOOOOOOO, as soon as I saw her face in that pic, I knew she was truly excited and happy about it. So for that I give it an Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww and i'm glad they waited a little bit. 

:countdown to twin speculation, in 5. 4.3...2: 

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I'm not surprised, I'm not happy, I'm not sad. Another pregnant Duggar. It is what it is. Jinger did set the record for longest married without pregnancy. I hope she takes no unnecessary risks, but I don't think they will.

What does cross my mind is Jana. I wonder how she really feels about yet another sibling becoming a parent while she doesn't really have adult status according to cult standards. Jana is lovely and appears to have all the requisite fundy wife domestic skills.

I think her unmarried status is entirely her choice. Nonetheless, I just wonder if she feels anything other than complete joy for her siblings. It would be so nice if she could express anything less than gushing enthusiasm for their weddings and baybeeze if she had such feelings. I doubt she does though.

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24 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

 

Just being not fundie doesn't guarantee that parents won't be assholes to their kids for one reason or another. But it isn't very trendy to worry about the rest of those kids. 

 Thank you! I am not LGBTQ and neither of my parents is religious and I still don't talk to them or have a relationship with them. There are countless ways for parents to screw up.

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I am happy for them. Whether the time period was planned or circumstantial they seem thrilled.

I know that their belief system leaves much to be desired but Jinjer have embraced small changes to the Duggar lunacy and, to me, that shows their minds are open, even if only slightly at the moment. I think we can legitimately hope for a hospital birth and maybe even a Christian school rather than the SOTDRT. I dare to hope in this case!

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17 minutes ago, Edhelfin said:

'Trendy' ?!

 

Yes. If your time and your money isn't where your mouth is...

I know a million people that like to express concern for gay and trans teens on social media and with hashtags and outraged internet posts. I know very few people manning the PFLAG booth at Pride. I know very few teachers in the trenches keeping an open door to those kids no matter what or going out of their way to stop the bullying. I know very few people that have time to reach out to the neighbor kid or to mentor the at-risk kid. 

Lots of lip service. Not enough action. My classroom door was open to those kids 15 years ago before everyone was talking about it. One of my former students who is gay told me that my room was the only place he felt safe at school. (And that was NOT the Christian school). He's not the only one that room was open to and safe for. 

But a lot of them weren't LGBT. A lot of them needed a safe space for other reasons. And we're not doing that, either. 

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Personally, I'm not going to speculate on the sexual orientation of Duggarlings-to-be.

However, if it is a boy it is OBVIOUSLY going to be named Rufus.

 

[or perhaps Rosso]

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prediction:

5 duggar grand-babies in 2018:

Joy

Kendra

Jinger

Jessa (twins)

 

courtship:

Josiah and Jeremiah

engagement:

Josiah

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There are millions of parents with Offensive and questionable Child rearing practices  and their religions may or may not be a significant  part of why they are not always the best wisest most accepting  parents .  People who are Christians, Hindus , Muslims, Jews and Atheists and flying spaghetti God worshippers are just as likely to screw over their kids one way or other even if they really do think they are doing right. There are absolutely no perfect parents but it’s a Learning process. Let’s let Baby V actually be born  before consigning him to a life of misery with horrible parents.  

  

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Just now, tabitha2 said:

There are millions of parents with Offensive and questionable Child rearing practices  and their religions are usually only a very small part of why they are not always the best wisest most accepting  parents .  People who are Christians, Hindus , Muslims, Jews and Atheists and flying spaghetti God worshippers are just as likely to screw over their kids one way or other even if they really do think they are doing right. There are absolutely no perfect parents but it’s a Learning process. Let’s let Baby V actually be born  before consigning him to a life of misery with horrible parents.  

Yes, this is all true, but again, Free Jinger is a forum dedicated to discussing the dangers of fundamentalism, and we're currently in a thread devoted to discussing Jinger and Jeremy Vuolo, who belong to an extremely conservative religious sect with a well documented history of shaming, punishing, and terrorizing LGBTQ+ people (not to mention people in general). Jeremy in particular is the pastor of a church which believes in gay conversion therapy and he has expressed his belief that gay people do not actually exist and that they're just sinners who need to repent. Jinger comes from a family with extremely bigoted views and it would be naive to assume that she's substantially different in her mindset. Given the fact that we're on a forum devoted to discussing fundamentalism, and in a thread devoted to discussing Jeremy and Jinger, I don't think it's absurd to discuss the potential implications of them having a child who doesn't conform to their gender norms.

We're having a general discussion, btw, not speculating about any child in particular. It's probably a good time to remind everyone that speculating about that sexuality of specific minors or adult children still living at home is against the rules.

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27 minutes ago, tabitha2 said:

There are millions of parents with Offensive and questionable Child rearing practices  and their religions may or may not be a significant  part of why they are not always the best wisest most accepting  parents .  People who are Christians, Hindus , Muslims, Jews and Atheists and flying spaghetti God worshippers are just as likely to screw over their kids one way or other even if they really do think they are doing right. There are absolutely no perfect parents but it’s a Learning process. Let’s let Baby V actually be born  before consigning him to a life of misery with horrible parents.  

  

It is not blindly 'consigning' him/her to a life of misery - I am basing the criticism and guesses on the things Jeremy actually said, as a religious leader and pastor. There is no doubt about where he stands in terms of tolerance.

Yes, a lot of people are likely to screw up their kids regardless of their religion but as singsingsing said, this is a board where religious fundies are discussed. There are many other boards/forums for other causes and effects of bad parenting styles.

And for the last time for those who apparently do not have comprehension skills: "I am worried about what Jeremy would do IF his kid was gay" is NOT the same as "I think the new Vuolo kid will be gay lololol" (THIS is speculating about the sexuality of an unborn baby, which I did not do and never will).

If you wonder why I am worried, just Google the three magic words: jeremy, vuolo and lgbt

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Jinger's baby broke FJ there for a minute LOL!

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew at Thanksgiving but waited to publicly announce and that's perfectly okay, especially with the odds of miscarriages. My sincere hope is that the child is born safely (not delivered by Aunt Jill or one of her kooky friends) and gets a chance at a somewhat "normal life".

First thought: Saw that coming a mile away from the sugar and spice pic. Second thought, this many preggo daughters (or DILs) guarantees them at least another 2 seasons. JimBob must be celebrating. Blech. 

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Here's hoping for a naming theme to honor Jinger: baffling spelling choices. I predict their first will be a girl named Gulia.

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25 minutes ago, tabitha2 said:

flying spaghetti God  monster

FTFY. Pastafarians are picky about that. :)

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I think it is interesting that if baby V is a girl AKA Daddy’s little princess  she will probably be immediately  decked out in more bows frills ruffles and lace in her pepto pink nursery than is at all tasteful or healthy but real little princesses in the world  like Charlotte are beautifully but simply and very traditionally  dressed and never gaudy. That’s more an American affectation than a Fundy though. I wonder if Jeremy will be Booshie and name is potential girl after Kate’s if she has one. 

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1 hour ago, louisa05 said:

It happens in families all the time regardless of belief systems. It happens because kids are gay or trans, sure. But it also happens because kids are not athletic enough to suit the sports-mad parents' fantasies of college scholarships or professional careers or trips to the Olympics. It also happens because the kids are not academic enough to suit the parents' fantasies about their futures as high-powered doctors or lawyers or whatever. It happens because a girl is too girly and her mother wanted a boy in the first place (there's one of these in my own family, poor young woman is about to turn 23 and spent her holiday break from college being yelled at for not making her asshole brother happy enough on Christmas or his birthday) or maybe she is not girly enough to suit her all pink and glitter mother. It happens because a boy is too masculine. Or not masculine enough. It happens to kids because their parents got divorced, both got remarried and had more, much younger kids and the teenage ones from the first marriage are in the way of the portrait of a happy family (one student of mine memorably defined her and her older brother as "the leftovers in the back of the fridge that no one wants to eat but won't throw out because they don't want to seem wasteful" in a paper for my English class). 

Just being not fundie doesn't guarantee that parents won't be assholes to their kids for one reason or another. But it isn't very trendy to worry about the rest of those kids. 

THIS!   100%   I wasn't "excusing" anyone's beliefs.   But in reading some of these posts about "they shouldn't be allowed to have kids"  "fundies shouldn't be allowed to reproduce"  I have a real problem with setting "standards" for "allowing" people to have kids.   Its a slippery slope and your religion shouldn't be the barometer.  I've seen plenty of assholes parents for all the reasons you just stated.   It's a crap shoot.  So while I don't agree with the positions of the Vuolo's on a lot of subjects, all other things being equal (seemingly stable, established home, neither are teens, they seem otherwise mature and happy) , I am happy for them.  

When we start attaching caveats to who can or can't reproduce, its a scary world. What's next? income? education? size of the house? eye color?  Hmm? that sounds familiar 

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2 hours ago, nausicaa said:

Considering how starry eyed Jinger is over Jeremy still and how "Italian" Jeremy (or TLC) has decided he is, I can totally see Jinger doing some super over the top, quasi-made up Italian girl's name like Gionvanella or Isabellini or something. Along the lines of Teresa Giudice's daughters' names, but with less cultural legitimacy. 

There is nothing I wouldn't give to see Jinger call someone a PROSTITUTION WHORE and flip a table over while screaming incoherently. 

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1 hour ago, eveandadam said:

Or, you know, they just waited to do "it" until a few months ago? It's possible and more natural than going from never being kissed to sex within 5-6 hours.

I doubt they'd wait a year if any of them waited to have sex. I use to have a little faith not all of them jumped into having sex but with all these honeymoon babies ... I doubt it.

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7 minutes ago, SongRed7 said:

THIS!   100%   I wasn't "excusing" anyone's beliefs.   But in reading some of these posts about "they shouldn't be allowed to have kids"  "fundies shouldn't be allowed to reproduce"  I have a real problem with setting "standards" for "allowing" people to have kids.   Its a slippery slope and your religion shouldn't be the barometer.  I've seen plenty of assholes parents for all the reasons you just stated.   It's a crap shoot.  So while I don't agree with the positions of the Vuolo's on a lot of subjects, all other things being equal (seemingly stable, established home, neither are teens, they seem otherwise mature and happy) , I am happy for them.  

When we start attaching caveats to who can or can't reproduce, its a scary world. What's next? income? education? size of the house? eye color?  Hmm? that sounds familiar 

As scary as it sounds, in an ideal world, it would be nice if people who are pretty clear about the fact that they will 'lovingly correct' (which in fundie world may mean plumbing line or God knows what) their offspring who do not adhere to their sexual standards refrained from having children.

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2 hours ago, Edhelfin said:

I was speculating about the parents' reaction IF the child is born gay or transgender. Did you even read what I originally wrote? You are being a bit naive about this, I am afraid. There are many fundies that disowned their kids for being LGBTQI+.

If parents have disowned their children then yes I am being naive. Cant imagine  that situation happening. I do need to " wake up". 

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I'm neither happy nor sad.  That's about the best I can hope for with these fundie pregnancies.  They are basically inevitable.  

I am glad that they got to have a year before getting pregnant, and that they're relatively far from the rest of the family.  I completely agree that they will raise this child to be a bigot, which is bad for society, but I think the child will at least get a better education than the Duggar kids and will be allowed to play sports, and that's significantly better for the child. Especially if it's a boy; Jeremy would want any son of his to be able to kick a ball around and know things about theology. I also think they will limit family size -- I don't see Jeremy being willing to live in poverty to have sports teams full of children. So hopefully the children will get actual parenting and not be forced into raising their siblings. That's something. 

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