Jump to content
IGNORED

Dillards 47: Tweeting Twit


samurai_sarah

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, samurai_sarah said:

Fair point. I apologise for offending, and will alter the thread title.

ETA: Changed to "twat" to "twit", which the OED tells me means a silly or foolish person.

Thanks, "tweeting twit" is a great title too!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 578
  • Created
  • Last Reply
3 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Thanks, @samurai_sarah - but wouldn't "tweeting bell-end" be good? lol

LOL - Well, unless the Dillards go on radio silence, there's always a next thread! :)

BUT, I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologise for the offensive thread title. I admit that the initial "twat" is one of my favourite insults, but won't bore anyone with the details as to why. It was not my intention to offend, but I did it, and for that I apologise wholeheartedly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FWIW, I don't love gendered insults but I wouldn't say I was actually offended by the title. I knew it wasn't actually meant to be misogynistic at all. I appreciate the title change though. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

FWIW, I don't love gendered insults but I wouldn't say I was actually offended by the title. I knew it wasn't actually meant to be misogynistic at all. I appreciate the title change though. :)

No need to explain. I was in the wrong. And I very much appreciate being called out. I learned something, and that's always a good thing. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think seeing The Vagina Monologues at a young age gave me a good but inaccurate first impression of the C-word. I've since worked for an Irish man and become a Game of Thrones fan, and I gotta say it doesn't bother me as much as other gendered curse words (as long as it isn't directed at a woman, particularly by a man).

I don't say "twat" like "hat" but now I'm wondering if I would if I'd kept living in the US. I think I actually started using "twat" thanks to that same Irish boss (who, to be honest, was a bit of a twat).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm trying to insidiously get Game of Thrones fans hooked on the source material. Admittedly there were no dragons involved, but I'm sure they threw around the 'c' word a lot, especially as they were being imprisoned, deposed, and murdered by each other. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

I'm trying to insidiously get Game of Thrones fans hooked on the source material. Admittedly there were no dragons involved, but I'm sure they threw around the 'c' word a lot, especially as they were being imprisoned, deposed, and murdered by each other. 

Do you have any recommended books or sources? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, SassyPants said:

My husband is Irish. At a recent wedding we were seated at a table with some Irish cousins [they live in Ireland],  and I swear to bob during the speeches at the dinner, these Irish dudes kept screaming out the C-word. OMG, I almost died.

Ah, Irish weddings! We once went to a wedding in Ireland and sat at a table with the Uncle (on her Mother's side) of the bride. The Bride's Father's speech was punctuated by the Uncle making various loud comments, much to our amusement.  Mostly just calling him a Jackass though. 

I'm a west coast Canadian with a British Mum, but as far as twat goes, I always thought it was pronounced more like "two."  I too, however, must have led a sheltered life,because I don't think I've ever used it out loud.  Either that or my creative use of the various iterations of Fuck doesn't leave much room for twattage. 

I don't use cunt either, but that one is more because I don't like the word, although it does remind me of when I was about 15.  My best friend and I briefly went for Latin lessons at the home of a retired schoolteacher. (I think we were trying to impress everyone with how intellectual and interesting we were-forgetting that it was actually hard work)  One day the teacher(a very proper British lady ) had us taking turns reading out the answers to an exercise involving verbs.  My friend and I both realized with horror that she was going to have to read out the Latin for "they lead" (ducunt) and did the only thing she could- she tried pronouncing it du-coont in a very small voice.  The teacher asked her to speak up,  then said, no,no! Du cunt, duCUNT!   I don't know how we made it to the end of class after that,  but we kept a straight face until we left and were  around the corner. Then we were just dying laughing on somebody's front lawn helplessly giggling,  Ducunt!". Good times....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Bethella said:

Do you have any recommended books or sources? 

It's tough to know where to start! I'll have to look through my accumulated sources. I mean, I'm pretty bad at evangelizing to GoT fans if I don't have any recommendations at the ready. :pb_lol: I'm actually listening to the audiobook version of 'The Wars of the Roses' by Dan Jones. It's pretty good so far. Hard to say what sort of knowledge base you'd have to have already going into it, though. Wikipedia is actually a great place to start, because you can delve into the sources. There's also a fun documentary on Youtube called 'History's Biggest Fibs', I think, and one of the episodes is about the Wars of the Roses and debunks some of the myths surrounding the time period.

I haven't really read much of the related fiction but I've heard Alison Weir is pretty good. I think she's more later Tudors than 15th century stuff, though. Some authors aren't so great. For example, don't believe anyone who tells you that Margaret Beaufort was the devil incarnate and Elizabeth of York was banging her uncle, I mean wtf. Not naming any names. Just...

beaufort.png.cfc82a2d78dfae4d39ed49d5e9141409.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

I actually made a deal with one of my BILs before my baby was born. He could swear as much as he wants around her, but he isn’t allowed to use swears or make jokes or comments that are:

- sexist

 - racist

- derogatory in any way towards any demographic

In return, I agreed not to melt the skin off his face with my righteous indignation and wrath. I find it sad I had to offer this deal at all, but it is what it is and at least I lessen the chance of my baby growing up to think that language or humor is acceptable. 

That only works to a point. Eventually she’ll start repeating everything. Or you get to where we are: “mommy, what does <word> mean?”  Not fun conversations. I had to explain murder today. :/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, KnittingOwl said:

That only works to a point. Eventually she’ll start repeating everything. Or you get to where we are: “mommy, what does <word> mean?”  Not fun conversations. I had to explain murder today. :/

My parents say that's why they stopped getting the newspaper when I learned to read. I was apparently very enthusiastic about my new-found abilities and would read headlines out loud and ask about all sorts of new words.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

My parents say that's why they stopped getting the newspaper when I learned to read. I was apparently very enthusiastic about my new-found abilities and would read headlines out loud and ask about all sorts of new words.

Totally believe it. I’m THRILLED at how much she’s reading, but she’s only in kindergarten! Some of these concepts are more than I want to explain. I guess I know how my parents felt now. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

Hard to say what sort of knowledge base you'd have to have already going into it, though. 

I have a thorough background with medieval history but I've mostly focused on earlier stuff (Anglo-Saxon England, Norse/Vikings, Crusades, Eleanor of Aquitaine, Hildegard of Bingen, Christina of Markyate and the Black Death). I've just never really gotten in to the War of the Roses.

12 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

I haven't really read much of the related fiction but I've heard Alison Weir is pretty good. I think she's more later Tudors than 15th century stuff, though.

I've never read any of her fiction, although I've read her biographies of Elizabeth I and Eleanor of Aquitaine. 

I've requested his book on the Plantagenets and will work my way forward to the War of the Roses. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, singsingsing said:

Some authors aren't so great. For example, don't believe anyone who tells you that Margaret Beaufort was the devil incarnate and Elizabeth of York was banging her uncle, I mean wtf. Not naming any names. Just...

I agree with you, however Philippa Gregory's 'The Kingmaker's Daughter' was the book (chosen in a moment of boredom in the supermarket) that really got me into the Wars of the Roses.  I've read a lot more since, both fiction and non fiction - it's an incredibly complex and fascinating period.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As a British (soon to be joint national Irish!) gal I think I used twat (along with pillock, plonker and wanker) from pretty much the time I could insult someone to great acclaim with my family. I kinda half knew that it had gendered beginnings but I've never even thought about that when someone says it because I've never heard anyone my own age call a vagina that... so :my_angel:

The c-word is something I now use basically on a daily basis, again, kinda get the gendered beginnings but the culture I'm in it's kinda gone beyond that, haven't heard anyone use it for female genitalia either. (Mostly thanks to everyone just deciding porn and popular music knows best and it's a pussy, I think). Wouldn't use 'cunt' in America though, don't really like having to try and explain that one, so I just shut up and try and stick to the boring-ass ones that have made their way over 'you bloody plonker' makes me sound like I'm from a 70s sitcom but doesn't seem to offend anyone.

Honestly, I think it's just because if you're saying it to someone you're friends with, it's part of our humour to just 'insult' people. With their semi-consent of course, and they get you back double time later. Ah weird country I'm a part of. Don't think I've ever used them here, but I'll continue to mindful of what words I use.

Edit: and I know not all Brits are like this, diverse bunch, just me and my friends and my family. Whoops. Sweary lot.

 

If anyone wants war of the roses recs (or earlier) I can ask around and grab a collated list from my History pals. I did Anglo up to end of Ed II and loads of my friends did Charlemagne and then Wars of the Roses. We should be able to find some interesting books, it's a great time period!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’m from southern Ontario with british parents and reading through this thread realized I don’t think I have ever said twat out loud. Just not in my arsenal of insults. In my head I pronounce it to rhyme with hot. 

My parents were very insistent on proper grammar and language usage . They did not like the use of slang. I am giggling trying to imagine them ever using this word. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, NakedKnees said:

Just wanted to chime in to echo my disappointment in JK Rowling. There are no words to describe how surprised and uncomfortable I am with this. I still have a sliver of hope that she's trapped by legal obligations and wouldn't want this if it were up to her (which is an odd thing to hope for, I admit).

However, domestic abuse aside (ugh I hate that I'm even saying that), I have to disagree with the idea that Johnny Depp was bad for the role. Yeah, he has massive star power, but I think it echos the choice to cast Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix. Those two are/were so well-established in all things mainstream-creepy-and-slightly-sexy. In my opinion, we don't know enough about Grindelwald as a character to say whether Johnny Depp is a good personality fit or not.

All of that said, I'd prefer one of the Skarsgard brothers or Michael Fassbender for the role.

Benedict Cumberbatch.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

I'm 49 and had never heard the term butthurt until today.

and good morning.  Me either but I am not 49

I do think that JB sent Jill of to Nepal for ratings as well as letting her marry Derick. 

They needed it. 

do they still the love - it's still up in the air. and your welcome.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I personally don't like the c word either, but I laughed when my brother once used the term "twunt". It got the message across, and didn't sound as harsh to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, singsingsing said:

It's tough to know where to start! I'll have to look through my accumulated sources. I mean, I'm pretty bad at evangelizing to GoT fans if I don't have any recommendations at the ready. :pb_lol: I'm actually listening to the audiobook version of 'The Wars of the Roses' by Dan Jones. It's pretty good so far. Hard to say what sort of knowledge base you'd have to have already going into it, though. Wikipedia is actually a great place to start, because you can delve into the sources. There's also a fun documentary on Youtube called 'History's Biggest Fibs', I think, and one of the episodes is about the Wars of the Roses and debunks some of the myths surrounding the time period.

I haven't really read much of the related fiction but I've heard Alison Weir is pretty good. I think she's more later Tudors than 15th century stuff, though. Some authors aren't so great. For example, don't believe anyone who tells you that Margaret Beaufort was the devil incarnate and Elizabeth of York was banging her uncle, I mean wtf. Not naming any names. Just...

beaufort.png.cfc82a2d78dfae4d39ed49d5e9141409.png

Yeah. I mean, there were rumors floating around at the time about Elizabeth and Richard - but I don’t think any concrete evidence has actually been found or that they’ve been proven to be more than just rumors. I do believe Richard had to deny rumors that he intended to marry Elizabeth after Anne died though.

I have a love-hate relationship with Philippa Gregory. I think she’s a great writer and she has done a great job getting people interested in that historical period, but her work is problematic when viewed as actual history and not historical fiction. 

Alison Weir is great for Tudor related books, including several works focused on the War of the Roses:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Weir

(Scroll down to bibliography)

John Alexander Guy is great too. He was recommended to me by a History Professor I had senior year of college - I hadn’t read much on Mary, Queen of Scots, prior to him but his book on her was fantastic. And I’m pretty sure that Julia Fox, who is married to John Guy, wrote a book I’ve read too - “Sister Queens: Katherine of Aragon and Juana, Queen of Castile.” If that’s the one I’m thinking of then I very much enjoyed it. It was so cool reading about the differences and similarities between two of the daughters of Ferdinand and Isabella.

7 hours ago, KnittingOwl said:

That only works to a point. Eventually she’ll start repeating everything. Or you get to where we are: “mommy, what does <word> mean?”  Not fun conversations. I had to explain murder today. :/

I know. This was the best we could do for now unfortunately. We’re fortunate that my husband’s parents are completely on our side. They’ve both tried curbing their swearing - which they never did much of to begin with - and they routinely call BIL out for swearing or making unacceptable jokes. They’ve been doing that for the longest time and he’s never listened, but it’s nice of them to say something.

And to be honest, I’d much rather have to explain “crap,” “shit,” or even “fuck” over a word I truly find to be insulting and offensive - like racial slurs or sexist terminology. I’d be a bit embarrassed by her using a swear word, but I’d be completely appalled and mortified if she ever used a slur like that.

I am going to have to talk to husband about the swearing in general though. I wasn’t raised with family members swearing like his side does sometimes, so I’ll have to see if he can talk to them about it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, VelociRapture said:

Yeah. I mean, there were rumors floating around at the time about Elizabeth and Richard - but I don’t think any concrete evidence has actually been found or that they’ve been proven to be more than just rumors. I do believe Richard had to deny rumors that he intended to marry Elizabeth after Anne died though.

He most definitely did, but they were just rumours, part of the smear campaign against him. However I fully admit that it's a fun 'what if' scenario. And I hope it's clear that I was speaking firmly tongue in cheek and not telling anyone that they're not allowed to enjoy some historical fiction. I mean, hell, one of my NaNoWriMo efforts once involved a plot scenario where Richard and Elizabeth secretly married and she was sent away from court to give birth to their secret child!!! I am literally no better. :pb_lol: I just get nervous when people start to take it as fact.

Poor Richard. I fully admit that I am slightly biased in favour of Henry VII, who also wasn't treated all that kindly by future historians, but Richard was really raked over the coals. I mean, who knows, maybe he did deserve it. But damn, it got a little excessive there for a while.

Speaking of smear campaigns, there's no evidence that Arthur (Henry VIII's older brother) was weak or sickly during his lifetime. I think that idea arose years later when Catherine's people were trying to convince everyone that they hadn't consummated their marriage. 

See? Intrigue! Sex! Shenanigans! There are no dragons or ice zombies, but there are secret marriages and child murders and lots and lots of heads stuck on pikes. It's fantastic!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Maybe we could have gone with Tweeting Tw*t as the title, and then people could have interpreted it on their own.

 

;)

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • samurai_sarah pinned, unpinned and locked this topic

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.