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His viewpoint on the Girl Scouts isn’t even internally consistent. If women are, as he believes, the weaker vessel, then of course they shouldn’t camp in sub-freezing temperatures. And no one swims in jacuzzis, ffs. They’re the size of oversized bathtubs. 

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My guess is that Whittle is upset about the possibility of John Paul II’s Theology of the Body being used during pre-Cana classes, since traditionalists tend to feel like it is “pornographic” and places too much emphasis on the unitive aspects of marriage (ie sex as a way for spouses to bond) than on procreation. In particular, there is an author named Christopher West who tries to translated Theology of the Body into layman’s terms whom a lot of traditionalists feel is vulgar and/or pandering to people’s basest desires:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/christopher_wests_ideas_on_sexuality_ignore_tremendous_dangers_alice_von_hildebrand_says
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/marriage-and-family/sexuality/the-need-to-read-carefully-a-response-to-alice-von-hildebrands-critique-of-christopher-west.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_West
If West’s materials are being used for pre-Cana, Whittle would most likely consider them “pornographic.” However, Whittle seems to be a less than reliable narrator, and if these pre-Cana classes were really that graphic, I think a lot more people would be into the idea of having a church wedding.

These were a fascinating read. Thank you very much for posting them. :)
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1 hour ago, mango_fandango said:

he doesn’t seem to make *any* effort to meet a woman. He just expects this perfect mantilla-wearing Jillian to be plopped onto his doorstep. 

I foresee this guy being single forever. Relationships and marriage involve give-and-take and he sounds completely inflexible. 

We can but hope he remains single forever.  I wouldn't want anyone ever to have to endure him as a husband/ father.

Since he isn't working and seems to live at home, we can assume his awful, not really Catholic NO family (his description) is supporting him. I don't believe he will ever be able to hold any type of job.  I wonder if his parents and sibling(s) realize he will be on their hands forever?

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This is the part that's killing me 

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But at least she was modestly dressed both times with a hand Missal, and had a light-colored head covering both times, so this generally means that she would be a single, never married virgin.

He has no idea about her virginity! This is creepy and gross, in spades.

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4 minutes ago, Sobeknofret said:

This is the part that's killing me 

He has no idea about her virginity! This is creepy and gross, in spades.

At the Latin Mass parish I attended, just about all the women and girls wore black lace mantillas. That the color of one’s mantilla announces to the world your marital state and/or your sexual history is news to me. Honestly, like a lot of fundies I think Whittle just makes stuff up based on his pre-existing biases, like the supposedly pornographic pre-Cana classes or the jacuzzis at Girl Scout camp.

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He's disgusting. I laughed my ass off at his resume. There's a reason he can't get a job. I'm willing to bet he thinks he should be hired as a full blown architect...which takes at least a 4 year undergrad degree, practical experience and license, not to mention continuing education units to maintain the license. He's not willing to do that, at all. His CADD certificate isn't quite worth the paper it's written on...at best he'd be a half-assed CAD jockey that would cause me to lose what's left of my marbles supervising him. 

He'll stay single too...

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13 hours ago, Terrie said:

One of the odder examples of misogyny is one blog entry where he proclaims that his wife and children will use the term "Holy Ghost" not "Holy Spirit." 

This is making me think of the episode of Moral Orel where his family feuds with their new neighbors over whether they say the Lord's Prayer with "trespassers" or "debtors."

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15 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think he only wants a Catholic sweetheart so he can have church approved sex (this is based on how much he insists that he can’t be a priest or a monk, he obviously really wants sex). It’s obvious that he can’t stand the idea of a woman having her own identity and ideas and just wants someone who will just be a vacant step ford wife.

Given that he repeatedly mentions that a married couple must have sex every day, unless one of them is sick or something, and that failing to do so is a mortal sin and bad for the husband's health (?!?), I think you hit the nail on the head. He doesn't want a person, he wants a living sex doll.

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It is really hard to believe that there are such people on the earth. Yet here he is. 

Thinking about the days of head coverings, when I was younger, and hats went out and head doilies came in, my mother had little round lacy items for me and my sister, so that if we stopped for confession on the way to the grocery store, we were ok to go into church. They came folded in a little plastic case and they had their own bobby pins, and they were white.

My mother had two triangular lace mantillas: one white, which she wore most of the time, and one black, which she would wear to funerals and Holy Week services, Stations of the Cross, etc.

So was she a virgin again (married with three kids) when she wore the white one? That guy is an idiot.

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17 hours ago, Sobeknofret said:

This is the part that's killing me 

He has no idea about her virginity! This is creepy and gross, in spades.

This makes zero sense. Reading about Catholic head covering was kind of my baby step into my obsession with fundies. I never once saw any mention, by even the most hardcore SSPX, that married versus single women should wear different colored head coverings. 

Also according to his beliefs, all women should be modestly dressed and head cover, so why would her doing so indicate anything? I wonder if he assumed only virgins wear white mantillas, since that's what brides and girls at Holy Communion wear? It's strange that he doesn't even seem to understand much about the religion he claims to follow so ardently. 

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3 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

My mother had two triangular lace mantillas: one white, which she wore most of the time, and one black, which she would wear to funerals and Holy Week services, Stations of the Cross, etc.

So was she a virgin again (married with three kids) when she wore the white one? That guy is an idiot.

My mother's were white for everyday mass, and black for Holy Week and funerals, like you said. Mine was white, but that's because I didn't like black as a kid. My aunt favored a very pale lavender color, but my grandmother wore black because she felt that it was more appropriate for a widow. AFAIR, it was personal choice.

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22 hours ago, Terrie said:

One of the odder examples of misogyny is one blog entry where he proclaims that his wife and children will use the term "Holy Ghost" not "Holy Spirit." 

They'll be lucky if he'll let them even talk.

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22 hours ago, Hane said:

Gee. My Girl Scout troop must have been Girl Scouting wrong. We used to hike in the woods, mark trails, clear campsites, gather firewood, build campfires and cook over them, pitch tents, haul drinking and washing water, you name it.

I was a troop leader for my daughter's Girl Scout troop.  Because of my allergies, I was unable to do camping but there was someone else who could and those girls learned lots of things such as making cooking stoves out of tin cans to heat things up with, gathering firewood, all the things you would expect.  Those lessons are invaluable, but he probably wouldn't even accept that girls can do things like that!

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On 2/2/2018 at 8:16 PM, Hane said:

Gee. My Girl Scout troop must have been Girl Scouting wrong. We used to hike in the woods, mark trails, clear campsites, gather firewood, build campfires and cook over them, pitch tents, haul drinking and washing water, you name it.

Ha! My troop was much more into doing crafts and “camping” in fully equipped cabins. It was a good fit for Young!Kittens. 

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Whey I was growing up Girl Scouts was all about camping and skills like first aid.  When the time came for my kids to join it was all about crafts and selling cookies.  When I asked about camping trips I thought the other moms were going to kill me.

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9 hours ago, desertvixen said:

@Hane, our troop as well.

@mamallama, it really seems to vary by place. 

So true. My daughter and I were disappointed when her troop turned out to be kind of, in her words, “bush league.”

11 hours ago, mamallama said:

Whey I was growing up Girl Scouts was all about camping and skills like first aid.  When the time came for my kids to join it was all about crafts and selling cookies.  When I asked about camping trips I thought the other moms were going to kill me.

That was our experience. My most valuable experience in Girl Scouts was the in-depth first aid course the Red Cross gave us when we were in middle school in the mid-‘60s. It has helped me tremendously over the years, and was better than the one I took at work as an adult.

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18 hours ago, desertvixen said:

@Hane, our troop as well.

@mamallama, it really seems to vary by place. 

It does, but the Oklahoma girl scouts camping experiences are a little different, or at least that is what I've been told by a friend of mine who was also a scout leader while I was.  I am from Texas and didn't move to OK until 1993, but there was a pretty bad thing happen at a camp in Oklahoma 40 years ago and I have been told by both my friend and other leaders that many things are different now from the way it was then, and that while security is increased at all other states there is a lot more safety and security in place in Oklahoma.  If any one wants to look it up, I think the camp in question was called Camp Scott and it's locally known as the Girl Scout Murders.  But it's pretty bad, so please consider this a trigger warning!

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In the council where I was a Girl Scout, there were a bunch of different camps with different types of amenities. In one site, there were spartan cabins that linked up to a main house with bathrooms and showers and tables for doing activities (think of the cabins in the TV show Salute Your Shorts) This was mainly for Brownies and Daisies. No jacuzzis, though. For Juniors and above, the camping was done in large canvas tents that could House about four girls and their stuff. Cooking was done in an outdoor fire pit and there were outhouses. Backpacking was an option, but I’ve never really been into camping in general, so I can’t speak to that. I am glad that I tried camping as a Girl Scout because I did learn a lot of really useful skills that are still applicable today. For older Girl Scouts who are into backpacking and wilderness stuff, I would recommend looking into wider opportunities which provide trips at the national and even international level by the local and national councils (you do have to apply though since resources are finite). 

Incidently, I was also never into crafts because my hand-eye coordination is terrible; even using a pair of scissors is a chore for me. I liked earning the interest patches that revolves around science or other research oriented things. And that’s what scouting should be about, pursuing your interests and goals, whether it’s camping, art projects, or research.

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My Girl Scout camp had a variety of amenities, too. Brownies stayed in the central areas of the Barn, Juniors went to two campsites that had either cinderblock buildings with bunks, or canvas tents on platforms. Cadettes went to a more primitive area and e rected their own tents; Seniors were on their own and carried everything in and out.

Cooking for all but the youngest was over a campfire. We made our drawstring bags to clean our dishes when we were done.. and our sit upons..

I loved the variety of Scouting, and I do regret that none of my children ever wanted to do Scouting.

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12 hours ago, desertvixen said:

@Briefly, I'd heard of them (Girl Scout murders).

2017 was the 40th anniversary so it was on the news quite a bit over the summer.  There was never a definite answer as to the perpetrator, although most people do think the person tried for it was the right one. Most of the local people in his area said he was innocent, but I think he was the right one. There was no dna testing at the time, as the technology and sciences advanced, there have been a couple of tests done over the years but the original samples were not stored very well and they really couldn't say for sure. Not surprising, samples would have been saved for the available testing at the time and not with the hope that things would change over time. But I read something the other day, apparently there is another type of dna test and enough left of a good sample that there may finally be an answer as to who the perpetrator was. I hope so, those families deserve to know.

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I was a Brownie and Junior in the early to mid seventies.  One of the best things i remember is making a "stove" .  Take a tuna fish can, put a folded piece of cardboard in it ( making sure the edges of the cardboard are sticking up, ) and melt wax or paraffin over the cardboard.  Light the cardboard,  and then put a coffee can over it and cook a hamburger. Came in handy after Hurricane Sandy when we didn't have power for a week and a freezer full of food.  Sadly, when we moved, the new town only had a cadette troop that met on the night my mom worked late and scouting wasn't considered cool anymore so I quit.  Got my scouting feet back when son started Cub Scouts and made it to Eagle. I showed them the stove trick - yay GS Troop 90 Long Branch, NJ!

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  • 1 year later...

Long time FJ lurker here. I made an account solely to comment on this person. I just discovered his site, and feel like I’m missing something super obvious - does he not recognize the irony of his strict criteria when it comes to a wife when he is (from what I can see) unemployed, broke (seems like there are multiple posts about becoming homeless, needing money, hoping he wins the lottery), doesn’t own a car (CAN I GET A RIDE TO MASS?), and has no discernible hobbies or interests other than traditional Catholicism, AMERICA, and writing hateful posts about others? He brings absolutely nothing to the table. Does he realize that? Also, how does he plan to have his wife stay home with a boatload of kids when he’s unemployed? He is such a loser!

FWIW, I am Catholic (granted, Novus Ordo) but I can’t see how any woman would be remotely interested in this jerk. 

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