Jill Duggar, BSN?

[Visionoyahweh]

I just saw this posted to TWOP and thought I'd pass it along. Jill is looking at getting a Bachelors in Nursing. I think it's going to be a bit of an uphill climb for her. Getting a BSN is hard enough without the challenges Jill will have.

 

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Hopefully nursing will make a feminist out of Jill!

[Jessica]

Hopefully when she's completed all the College Plus courses they'll let her go to a real school. Oh please, oh please, oh please! :)

[FloraDoraDolly]

I hope she gets to do this. Jill is such a caring person. She belongs in a helping profession.

[Lainey]

Hmmm...a Bachelor of Science in Nursing, huh? So she's going to have to take Biology and learn all about...EVOLUTION!!! :shock:

[NurseNell]

I really hope she's able to do this. I have a BSN. It is very difficult today to get into BSN programs, many have a waiting list. Jill needs to do her homework and apply to a good program. There is no way this can be done via distance learning. She will need to go to a university. I'm not sure College Plus is the way to go.

Nell

[Visionoyahweh]

Hmmm...a Bachelor of Science in Nursing, huh? So she's going to have to take Biology and learn all about...EVOLUTION!!! :shock:

Yep. I'm sure she'll follow Jana's example - "When evolution starts making sense I just turn off my brain!".

In addition to bio she'd also need chemistry, physics, psychology, sociology, statistics, etc. An uphill chimb for sure.

[Guest Anonymous]

I hope she's able to do it. I can't imagine how awful it'd be if she couldn't get into a program because of being restricted to College Minus and having to realize how badly her parents damaged her chance to do the career she'd otherwise be great in.

[NurseNell]

"Jill’s CollegePlus! degree consultant also designed a plan for her to take on-site classes and labs at a local accredited college, which is required to become a nurse."

This sounds good. I know several people who've taken the general education and prerequisite courses at a local community college, then gone on to the university. It's important to get top grades as competition is great. I really hope Jill succeeds, she's so kind and caring. She basically is Josie's home care nurse.

Nell

[NurseNell]

In addition to bio she'd also need chemistry, physics, psychology, sociology, statistics, etc. An uphill climb for sure.

I'm not aware of any BSN programs requiring physics. Chemistry yes, and some programs require biochemistry. Also required is microbiology, and anatomy and physiology.

I think Jill can do it.

Nell

[GeoBQn]

And that's just the coursework. My best friend is a nurse. When she got her BSN, she had to do clinicals that involved things like seeing men naked, touching men, and treating people who had wildly different lifestyles from her. And make no mistake--if Jill wants a legitimate degree she will have to do clinicals in a hospital. On the Frontline episode about for-profit colleges, they interviewed three women who were suing their nursing program because it had them do their clinicals in places other than hospitals, which made them completely unemployable after they graduated.

[emmyfair]

1. Please, for the love of Pete, tell me "college plus" does not have a nursing program.

2. If Jill thinks nursing is ladylike, she's in for a shock!

3. I don't think she'll have a hope in hell, sadly, with the crap SOTDRT education she's got. I wonder if the Duggars think a BScN is all vital signs and bed baths? If she ever makes it through, she'll have a brutal road ahead.

4. Nurses are pretty feminist (at least, the ones I know!) - check out our history! :)

All of this said, I do hope Jill gets herself into a supportive educational program to fill in the gaps in her schooling, and goes for it. It'll open up her world in ways she could never imagine right now. Unless the plan is to make Jill the eternal nurse at home for Josie, instead of letting her earn her own wages.

[Visionoyahweh]

NurseNell - do you think she'd be better off trying for an LPN first? I've been looking at going to nursing school for mine and I think it's a much better option for her. Less money, time, and eduction are required, and it's still pretty competitive. I just don't want Jill to bail at the first genital wart, pregnant teenager, or non-gothard patient she sees.

ETA:

I'm not aware of any BSN programs requiring physics. Chemistry yes, and some programs require biochemistry. Also required is microbiology, and anatomy and physiology.

Every program I've looked at requires psychics.

[NurseNell]

NurseNell - do you think she'd be better off trying for an LPN first? I've been looking at going to nursing school for mine and I think it's a much better option for her. Less money, time, and eduction are required, and it's still pretty competitive. I just don't want Jill to bail at the first genital wart, pregnant teenager, or non-gothard patient she sees.

ETA:

Every program I've looked at requires psychics.

The problem with becoming a LPN first is that, depending on the state you live in, you are very limited in where you can practice. For instance in MN very few hospitals hire LPNs but most clinic positions are for LPNs. There are also a lot of LPNs in long term care and home care. My sister did do a LPN program first. She had majored in art after high school so was older when she went into nursing. It can be a good way to work a few years and save money for a BSN program.

I'll have to see what the universities here require as far as physics. My niece is a physicist but boy, I'd have had a hard time had I needed it for my BSN.

Nell

[devilsadvocate]

I am skeptical. I wonder if she seriously does want to be a nurse or if someone at CollegePlus thought that would sound good and is just spinning it that way to promote their program. I mean, I kind of doubt that Jill actually wrote that statement. It sounds like something that one of the marketing folks at CollegePlus wrote and the Duggars agreed to let them use her name on it.

(I wonder how much they're getting for this endorsement anyway)

If she actually does end up taking real nursing classes at a real school, that would be awesome. I do hope that happens.

[Prek teach]

Um..WHAT? My daughter is currently enrolled in a local HS taking/took math and science courses the like of which are called IB Math Analysis, IB Chem I and IB Chem II, IB Biology, IB Environmental Systems, IB Geography, AND she had to TEST IN to the student nursing program at our local HS. Only 28 students were accepted out of 250 applicants. The program is rigiourous (sorry for the riffle) and math/chem/writing intensive. In addition to working her job, going to "regular" school for math, Eng, and science, and driving across town for the nursing program my daughter has not been more happy than she is now. AND despite what she will achieve this year and the next (2 yr prgm/LPN) I think she will gain more than "Dill". However, the competition at nursing colleges in this area are FIERCE..the likes of which Jill has never experienced.

[Visionoyahweh]

Thanks Nursenell. I was thinking of getting an LPN, bridging to an RN, and moving on to a BSN. I think this path would work better for Jill too, since you slowly build knowledge an experience, and don't have to sink a fortune into useless college minus classes.

I think the programs requiring physics were all accelerated BSN programs. It was only physics 101, so not too hard, but you'd need an A to be competitive.

[NurseNell]

Re needing physics for BSN:

Saint Catherine University, MN: No

Bethel College, MN: No

University of Minnesota: No

College of Saint Benedict, MN: No

D'Youville College, Buffalo, NY (my alma mater): No

University of Wisconsin at Eau Claire: No

None of my friends with BSNs, even MSNs, were required to take physics.

Nell

[NurseNell]

Thanks Nursenell. I was thinking of getting an LPN, bridging to an RN, and moving on to a BSN. I think this path would work better for Jill too, since you slowly build knowledge an experience, and don't have to sink a fortune into useless college minus classes.

Sounds like a good plan.

I had a high school classmate whose father died young, leaving her Mom to support a good sized family. So she became a LPN, then after a few years did a 2 year RN, then in another few years a BSN, then finally became a nurse practitioner! If she had set out to be a nurse practitioner she'd probably have become discouraged and not finished. But by taking these steps she gained a lot of experience and spent her last 25 years in nursing as a nurse practitioner.

Nell

[keeperrox]

If Ruth is any indication, Jill is going to need several years of remedial education to be ready for a traditional education at an accredited university. However, it will probably be worse than Ruth's experience, because at least her mother was a public school math teacher before going fundie.

The cynical side of me says this is either a TLC ratings ploy or a Gothard marketing plan. The ratings ploy seems more plausible, but I could see certain cult leaders pushing a public figure to do something "mainstream", then publicly deciding that it's not for them, and running back into the fold, claiming their family's lifestyle was the best choice after all. Jill has always been one to regurgitate the family's agenda.

[pomology]

I am skeptical. I wonder if she seriously does want to be a nurse or if someone at CollegePlus thought that would sound good and is just spinning it that way to promote their program. I mean, I kind of doubt that Jill actually wrote that statement. It sounds like something that one of the marketing folks at CollegePlus wrote and the Duggars agreed to let them use her name on it.

(I wonder how much they're getting for this endorsement anyway)

If she actually does end up taking real nursing classes at a real school, that would be awesome. I do hope that happens.

Eh, the writing is shitty enough for me to believe Jill wrote it.

And I highly doubt she has what it takes, but I hope for her sake she does.

[Visionoyahweh]

None of my friends with BSNs, even MSNs, were required to take physics.

Hmm, I wish I could remember the schools I saw that require it. I'll look around...

I think Jill would have a hard enough time with the social science classes, especially sociology, having to learn how the heathens live!

[SamuraiKatz]

As far at the LPN idea goes, Jill could attend NTI in Springdale, AR. The program is 18 months long and costs a total of $7000.00 for books, fees and supplies. The courses taken can be transferred to an 2 year or 4 year program when the student is ready...http://www.nti.tec.ar.us/programs/nursing.html

I think college minus is a run around to let the poor girl think she is going to fulfill her dreams. I hope Jill isn't sent off to that bogus gothard "nursing school".

I have no idea what the Duggars and their followers think they are doing...but realistically speaking there are only so many used car businesses needed in a given region...so the other kids need to have REAL vocational or college educations in order to have any sort of prospect for a secure future.

[marmalade]

I wonder which JSlave is stuck accompanying Jill to these science classes/labs, since they're not allowed to go anywhere alone? I also wonder what that person does since most classes don't allow people who are not taking the class to sit in, especially in labs where people can potentially suffer injuries (my chem lab was a whirlwind of people running back and forth between bunsen burners, testubes or beakers under the hoods designed to diffuse dangerous fumes, to spectrographs which were rather limited in supply in ratio to the number of students, etc. NO friends of any sort were allowed in the labs and during my entire college career, the only persons I have seen allowed into courses are notetakers for physically handicapped/ADHD students, or in my summer course, a group of local Berkeley ladies who audited a modernist lit class to add to their book club discussions. I think they were also friends of the professor, but other than that, I've never seen anyone no enrolled in a class allowed to be there.

What of Jessa, Jana or Jinger's dreams if they are forced to accompany Jill to school? Can they take their studies and go to the library to do their CLEP work while Jill is in class? Will this be reciprocated if Jana wants teaching certification? Who will go with her when she has to TA for a year. By law, at least in CA, the escort wouldn't be allowed into a classroom unless they're also part of a qualified school that sends interns, which means they too would have to go into education. You can't just go to a school and say you want to volunteer with the 5th grade teacher during school hours, although of course parents and any other volunteers out there are welcome to help during lunch and in before/afterschool programs.

As for the question of physics, before I changed majors, I was studying to be a registered dietician and physics WAS a pre-req for transfer. IIRC, only one semester of a lower-div. class was needed on top of a year of biology, chemistry (although unless you're transferring to a top university, you can take the "easier" chemistry track, and a semester each of microbiology, A&P and nutrition. In ADDITION to all the other Math, English and breadth reqs. for a real BS degree. Most of my friends that I met in community college on the nursing track found it very hard to get out in two years due to the heavy load of science classes and lack of courses offered (and this was BEFORE things got really bad here). Most also worked; I'd guess that it took most 5 semesters to get the work done to transfer to a nursing school or university with a nursing program. And even before the recession, the nursing schools were VERY picky; I can't imagine how hard it is to get in now with people like me seeking new career paths clogging up the machinery.

[teddybear]

How will she deal with someone with AIDS? Or a gay couple in a relationship? The unwed mother? The drug addicts? The alcoholic going through DT's? And how will she react to being told she can't witness to her patients? It could be interesting.

[Visionoyahweh]

How will she deal with someone with AIDS? Or a gay couple in a relationship? The unwed mother? The drug addicts? The alcoholic going through DT's? And how will she react to being told she can't witness to her patients?

Either by massively expanding her horizons or suddenly feeling 'called by God' to be an uneducated SAHM.