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I've been coming across Ayla quite a few times in the news lately... she's a Mormon mother of six who describes herself as a former feminist who has now found the joys of traditional (actually: bigotted and racist) living... she comes across as very aggressive and appears to be a huge hypocrite. 

Are any of you familiar with her? I feel so sorry for her children who seem to be indoctrinated profoundly... 

 

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Just took a look at her. She's a piece of work. She seems mighty proud (though she denies it) her DNA test came back 100% European. And so the world needs more white babies, huh? Interesting thing to focus on. Not healthy babies, or  babies born to stable, happy homes? Just white ones.

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She's a fucking racist asshole but also yet another fundie to claim that she was once a radical, atheist leftist but then came to Jeebus.

There must be some kind of psychiatric issue in fundies who "convert" to religion as young adults -- from Steve Maxwell to the late Barbara Curtis -- since it seems they can only live in an extreme world with no nuances.

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I stumble onto her from time to time on Twitter. She's another one of those people who is anti-porn, because she wants white men to direct those energies into marrying white women and producing mass quantities of white children.

Getting married because you're desperate to have sex always ends well. :pb_rollseyes:

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1 hour ago, Cartmann99 said:

Getting married because you're desperate to have sex always ends well. :pb_rollseyes:

I totally agree. Also, she got divorced once and now has a patchwork family, so to speak. Her oldest son is from her first marriage. I'd be the last person to snark on that cause... that's life sometimes. But to then turn around and pretend like she's the example of a pious 1950s housewife who's better than all those blacks and feminists and what not makes me sick! 

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7 minutes ago, PopRox said:

She was originally Nordic Sunrise, right? I remember that raging dumpster fire of crazy.

Yes... that's her alright... 

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11 hours ago, FluffySnowball said:

I've been coming across Ayla quite a few times in the news lately... she's a Mormon mother of six who describes herself as a former feminist who has now found the joys of traditional (actually: bigotted and racist) living... she comes across as very aggressive and appears to be a huge hypocrite. 

Are any of you familiar with her? I feel so sorry for her children who seem to be indoctrinated profoundly... 

Hmmmm, bet Ayla's mom read Clan of the Cave Bear (Jean Auel, 1980), and decided to name her wee bairn after the heroine. 

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Since we already had a thread about this piece of work I merged the two. Until recently she went by Nordic Sunrise and as such she had made the headlines for being a good candidate for shittiest person of the year (if her president weren't such a mighty winner).

Here's a quick summary of her life since when she was a pagan feminist.

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36 minutes ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

 

Here's a quick summary of her life since when she was a pagan feminist.

Yet another person sucked to the dark side by "Fascinating Womanhood"
It's officially on my thrift-store-list with the Pearls.  TO purchase and destroy, so no one who is susceptible to stupidity makes the mistake of reading it.

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From her blog

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My political beliefs, as I’ve often said, can be summed up by Vox Day’s “What the Alt Right Is.” Moving forward our movement must of a banner under which to gather and this is my favorite, hands down. 

There's a chart that I couldn't copy, but one of the statements was "The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalistic.  It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration."

If that's one of the things she believes, how does she justify Mormon missionaries going to foreign countries?

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7 hours ago, JMarie said:

If that's one of the things she believes, how does she justify Mormon missionaries going to foreign countries?

Why do you still bother with pesky little things like coherence and logic?

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I can never get over the craziness of white Americans and Australians who can't see the hypocrisy of being "anti-immigration" - how do they justify the fact that they are so obviously descended from immigrants?  In this nutjob's case, it seems to be "God ordained the USA to be white", but that's complete lunacy!

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7 hours ago, JMarie said:

There's a chart that I couldn't copy, but one of the statements was "The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalistic.  It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration."

So how is this supposed to work in practice? Are black people supposed to be deported en masse to Liberia or something like that? Never mind that a good percentage of blacks have European and/or Native American ancestry, so I guess we're already "adulterated." And what about Native Americans themselves? As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, if alt righter believed their own rhetoric, then they should be the ones being deported back to Europe, but they aren't saying that. My guess is that alt righters think that Native Americans are history's losers, and if the former are suffering because of it, then it's their own fault.

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@Cleopatra7 The absolute bullshit of saying black people should "go back to Africa" leaves me speechless - I mean, these idiots do understand that the ancestors of most American American people didn't choose to go to the USA, West Indies etc etc? 

It makes me physically sick, especially knowing how rape of Black slaves was endemic by white slaveowners, who'd then enslave their own children, so "adulteration" was done by the white, "Christians".  But somehow I think they don't care about that.

And then the arseholes who get all uppity about "hispanics", with no understanding at all of how the west coast was basically founded by Spanish- and South American colonists, which is they have places called Las Vegas, San Francisco, Los Angeles etc - not to mention all the places in the South that used to be parts of Mexico - there's even a state called New Mexico!!

I'm sick today, and everything is crappy, but this bullshit makes me utterly enraged on so many levels.  These USA white nationalists are just so stupid.  I'm British, and I know more about the history of the USA than they do.

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The cognitive dissonance of those who scream "Nationalism" but then declare all non-white, non-European immigrants must leave the US in the hands of white European immigrants.......if we are taking nationalism back to origins then unless you have NATIVE blood you gotta go. I have none personally but I suppose my children could appreciate that the Cherokee are one of the few tribes that don't require a blood quorum for membership. But then, their father's ancestors hopped off the Trail of Tears before the critical census counting so they don't get to count that way either.

Seriously though, if we are all going back from whence we came then that includes all white Europeans squatters as well. And I am as white as they come, only thing in my ancestry that any racist would object to is the Jewish but even that is the European variety. I'm just the wonderbread white girl who thinks they are all morons and smart enough to know we all bleed the same way.

Oh yeah. I made six white babies two bitch. One of them with Creole heritage and five with Cherokee. And fortunately every one of them raised with tolerance and equality....and hey, one of the girls does not identify under the LBGTQIA label but she's young so who knows. They fit in well with their non-white cousins, siblings, aunts and uncles.

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On 10/09/2017 at 0:02 PM, Lurky said:

I can never get over the craziness of white Americans and Australians who can't see the hypocrisy of being "anti-immigration" - how do they justify the fact that they are so obviously descended from immigrants?  In this nutjob's case, it seems to be "God ordained the USA to be white", but that's complete lunacy!

I don't know anything about the Australian context, but the doctrine of Manifest Destiny stated that it was god's will for white Americans to colonize North America and ethnically cleanse Native Americans out of existence. Mormonism takes this one step further by claiming that god wanted Mormons to create their own Zion in the West (i.e. Utah) and demanded ethnic cleansing for any non-Mormons, whether Native American, white, or black, who got in their way. 

Another problem with alt right thinking (or lack thereof) is the blanket use of the word white. In the US, being white is more of a caste distinction than anything else. However, when one looks at Europe, it becomes quite obvious that all "whites" are not considered equal. Much of the drama in the EU is a reflection of this fact, in which cultural and linguistic differences become huge economic and political obstacles. 

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7 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

Another problem with alt right thinking (or lack thereof) is the blanket use of the word white. In the US, being white is more of a caste distinction than anything else.

Of course definitions of whiteness has changed over time (the Irish, eg, weren't considered "white" as we know it in the USA for a long time) but the thing that confuses me is the USA definition of Hispanic.  It seems like there's absolutely no question someone with Italian heritage is seen as white in the USA (at least now, I know it was different in the past) but someone of the same level of Spanish heritage, regardless of their skin tone is not as white?  Even though in Europe, Italians and Spanish are both Southern Europeans and viewed as pretty much the same and definitely "white" nations. 

Or does "Hispanic" mean "from Central and South America" in the USA?  Would, eg, someone visiting the States from Barcelona be seen as Hispanic, or European? 

ETA And all this is why the White Nationalist definitions are so ridiculous!  I think, as a Brit, the stuff about Eastern Europeans as lesser (from ignorant people of course) isn't that they're "not as white" but comes from the fact they're from a former Communist country.  So, eg, although a Bosnian is just as geographically Mediterranean as an Italian, or a Slovenian as someone from the south of France, they're viewed differently by people over 30 because of the whole Iron Curtain thing.  Polish people are physically just as white as Brits, and the Balkan people are as Nordic as the Scandinavians etc etc, but there's that Eastern Bloc thing that means the UK right wing see them as much lesser.  I always wonder how the USA white nationalists draw the line - they seem to like Polish right wingers, for example, but is there a line to the eastern side of Europe as there seems to be for the south, for them?

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@Lurky I think most Americans view people from Spain as "white." "Hispanic" is typically (incorrectly) used interchangeably with "Latino," and is almost always used to refer to people from Central and South America. 

I think most Americans would see Spanish tourists as European.

Of course,  there are people from Argentina and Cuba and elsewhere in Latin America who look whiter than me and have blonde hair and blue eyes, so it's still a very inaccurate racial categorization. Racial categorizations in general are inaccurate, because, IMO, it's attempting to put clear parameters around something that is largely a social construct and a hazy spectrum rather than a binary absolute. But don't tell Ayla that...

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I think racists like Ayla would assume if they saw someone with blonde hair and blue eyes speaking Spanish, that person was from Spain, and therefore "acceptable" as a European when that person was actually from Latin America.

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On 9/10/2017 at 4:29 AM, JMarie said:

If that's one of the things she believes, how does she justify Mormon missionaries going to foreign countries?

Oh, it's ok when Christian and/or white people want to spread their beliefs and culture. These people do tend to be raging hypocrites.

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6 hours ago, nausicaa said:

@Lurky I think most Americans view people from Spain as "white." "Hispanic" is typically (incorrectly) used interchangeably with "Latino," and is almost always used to refer to people from Central and South America. 

I think most Americans would see Spanish tourists as European.

Of course,  there are people from Argentina and Cuba and elsewhere in Latin America who look whiter than me and have blonde hair and blue eyes, so it's still a very inaccurate racial categorization. Racial categorizations in general are inaccurate, because, IMO, it's attempting to put clear parameters around something that is largely a social construct and a hazy spectrum rather than a binary absolute. But don't tell Ayla that...

If you go back to the 1950s, one of the biggest shows on TV was "I Love Lucy" which centered around a redheaded white American woman whose husband was Cuban. Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz were also a married couple in real life. Apparently, this was not considered an "interracial" marriage back then. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been allowed on 1950s TV. You never would have seen a black/white couple on TV until decades later. So the notion of "Hispanic as a race" is a recent construct. I'm guessing this started once the Mexican immigrant population reached a certain level and whites began to see them as a threat.

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10 hours ago, Lurky said:

ETA And all this is why the White Nationalist definitions are so ridiculous!  I think, as a Brit, the stuff about Eastern Europeans as lesser (from ignorant people of course) isn't that they're "not as white" but comes from the fact they're from a former Communist country. 

And to make it more complicated, some Eastern Europeans see themselves as better than other Eastern Europeans. Baltic states have some smug attitude towards other former USSR republics. (We were considered the most western part of it.)
Although nationalists adore Poland right now and used (?) to have warm feelings for Chechenya separatists.

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