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My guess for total children per couple:

Joy and Austin: 10 in total (including one pair of twins)

Josh and Anna: 7 in total

Ben and Jessa: 7 (if she has twins ones than 8)

Jill and Derick: 5

Jinger and Jeremy: 4

Joe and Kendra: 9 (all single births)

Josiah+??? : 5

JD + ???: 4-5

Jana+???: 4

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, eveandadam said:

My guess for total children per couple: [snip]

My guesses:

Josh & Anna: 8

Jill & Derick: 7 (I just have a feeling she'll keep going until she literally can't anymore and experiences some sort of fertility-destroying complication. I hope I'm wrong and they embrace the joys of family planning.)

Jessa and Ben: 15

Jinger and Jeremy: 4

Joy and Austin: 18

Joseph and Kendra: 13

I know no one wants to believe that any of them are going to come close to Michelle's record, but why not? Most of them are still ardent fundamentalists. Jessa and Ben, Jill and Derick, and Joy and Austin have all made comments about having large families and not limiting family size. Joy and Kendra are still teenagers with over two decades of fertility ahead of them. Some 2nd generation fundies definitely shy away from the quiverfull ideology, but not all of them. We follow quite a few on FJ who were raised quiverfull, remain quiverfull, and reproduce like whoever has the most babies gets the best McMansion in Heaven.

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I don't know about Benessa having biological twins, but I could definitely see them adopting and then mid-adoption whoops pregnant again.  Or the adoption talk could be a bunch of malarky-cause Duggars.

I agree with @HarleyQuinn that Joken will basically do a wedding very similar to  Jostin.  Maybe even borrow some of Joy's Springtime Fall decorations...   Of course, Kendra may not have Michelle's friend (I forget her name) to help design the wedding.     The guys will probably have ill-fitting pants/plaid shirts/suspenders with mismatched shoes.  JD will be best man.  There will be hay.  And candles near hay.  They may go crazy and have a fun photo booth with only G rated props of course. .   There may be some awkward  flirting between the bridesmaids and Jason, Jeremiah, Jedidiah, etc.  Josh will not help Anna to her seat, or with the Mkids.   JimBob will make a gross sex comment.  Josie will be wearing a crown/tiara even though she is not in the wedding.    It will all seem very simple, but very sweet and Joe may tear up.   Most of the congregation (male and female) will be lusting after Pastor Caldwell.

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I agree with @singsingsing, as much as we don't want to believe it, at least one of these couples is going to hit double digits in the kid department.

 

Kim C of Life in a Shoe is an example of a 2nd generation quivering fundy who has had over 10 kids, just like her mother.

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1 minute ago, Audrey2 said:

@freshlemonade, But will we get to see Jim Bob have that awkward Lego talk with Joe?

Oh yes!  And pamphlets or books about the wedding night.  

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I personally don't think Jessa and Ben will ever adopt, or at least not till she's a lot older and her fertility maybe slows down. I think she'll keep getting pregnant before they can even apply.

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1 hour ago, singsingsing said:

My guesses:

Josh & Anna: 8

Jill & Derick: 7 (I just have a feeling she'll keep going until she literally can't anymore and experiences some sort of fertility-destroying complication. I hope I'm wrong and they embrace the joys of family planning.)

Jessa and Ben: 15

Jinger and Jeremy: 4

Joy and Austin: 18

Joseph and Kendra: 13

I know no one wants to believe that any of them are going to come close to Michelle's record, but why not? Most of them are still ardent fundamentalists. Jessa and Ben, Jill and Derick, and Joy and Austin have all made comments about having large families and not limiting family size. Joy and Kendra are still teenagers with over two decades of fertility ahead of them. Some 2nd generation fundies definitely shy away from the quiverfull ideology, but not all of them. We follow quite a few on FJ who were raised quiverfull, remain quiverfull, and reproduce like whoever has the most babies gets the best McMansion in Heaven.

I really don't think there will be more than 80 grand-Duggars.

The only double digits I can see is 10 children for Joy and that's it. Most will stop at 4-6 children, especially the middle and younger children.

 

 

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1 hour ago, singsingsing said:

I know no one wants to believe that any of them are going to come close to Michelle's record, but why not?

Because most people just aren't THAT fertile. There's a reason that the Duggars and the Bateses are famous, out of all the quiverfull folk there are. None of the other QF fundies we follow on FJ have over 15 kids, right? And even the 10+ range is fairly rare. Most families appear to max out around 8 to 10, which is why I would assume that's about where many of the Duggarlings will end up. I also predict that there will be a few who end up with 0-4 kids and maybe two with double digits. I don't think anyone will beat Michelle's 19.

 

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5 minutes ago, JillyO said:

Because most people just aren't THAT fertile. There's a reason that the Duggars and the Bateses are famous, out of all the quiverfull folk there are. None of the other QF fundies we follow on FJ have over 15 kids, right? And even the 10+ range is fairly rare. Most families appear to max out around 8 to 10, which is why I would assume that's about where many of the Duggarlings will end up. I also predict that there will be a few who end up with 0-4 kids and maybe two with double digits. I don't think anyone will beat Michelle's 19.

I hope I didn't make it sound like I think half of them are going to have 20 kids each, haha! You're absolutely right, that kind of fertility is rare and even people who marry young, never use birth control, and actively try will usually not hit those numbers. On the other hand, with 19 kids, I think it's entirely possible and maybe even more likely than not that at least one or two of them will get to the 16-20 range.

I'm not sure about fundie families with 15+, but I can think of several off the top of my head with 10+, and a lot of them aren't done reproducing yet.

The thing is, when you get married around 18-23, and you and your spouse are both fertile, you experience few complications, and you don't use birth control (and maybe even actively try to get pregnant)... you're going to have a lot of babies. Keep in mind that a lot of the fundie families we follow are first generation - so many of them converted at a later age and may have used birth control to space earlier children, or even been sterilized, or married at a later age.

I do a lot of genealogy, and I have a ridiculous number of ancestors who had 12-18 kids each, including two of my great-grandmothers (14 each). It's not as rare as people think. My dad believes he has over 100 first cousins, but he's never counted them all.

It's not going to be the reality for all of them. Some are going to have fertility problems, some are going to marry late, some are going to reject quiverfull ideology. But I wouldn't be surprised if at least 5 or 6 of them hit double digits.

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If you want an idea of how many grandkids look back at Catholic families from about 1900 to about 1965. Good indication. Families with 10--20 kids weren't that uncommon, though 20 was pushing it.

I think, obviously, poor Jana will have maybe 10 if she gets with it fast. I doubt the "tv" babies (Jackson on down) will have as many as the older ones. I think a few of the kids will have 1 or 2 and say "who cares" to the whole idea of birth control and do what normal people do.

I have to admit though, I hope someone else picks a letter for all the names to start with. It so fun to snark about. I or Q would be especially interesting, of course.

I think M5 may be the last. I really, really think Joshie is going to lose his wife.  No proof, just a feeling that she's getting to "done"

 

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3 hours ago, singsingsing said:

I personally don't think Jessa and Ben will ever adopt, or at least not till she's a lot older and her fertility maybe slows down. I think she'll keep getting pregnant before they can even apply.

I don't believe for a nanosecond that any of these people are going to adopt. All that talk is just nonsense from them.

Final child count from the currently or soon-to-be marrieds:

Josh/Anna - 8 Ms. 

Jill/Derrick - 5. I don't get the sense that Derrick is that into having many more kids, he'd rather grift and travel around the world to be adored by the great unwashed heathens. Plus her c-sections will make deliveries harder and harder.

Jessa/Ben - 11. Super fertile, will definitely get into double digits but then will give up having achieved that magical goal.

Joy/Austin - 13. Baker's dozen. She started super early and could go for 20. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Jinger/Jeremy - 4. A "respectable" number for a preacher's wife, not a small family but not so large that it's unmanageable. Well-spaced too.

Joe/Kendra - 9. She reminds me of Anna - young, kind of dumb, and impressionable. Started younger than Anna so I'll give her one more offspring. 

That adds up to an even FIDDY for JimBob. At that rate would be very hard for him to get to 200 IMO. 

I don't think we'll see families of 3 kids or under until we get to the lost boys/girls. By then there won't be a TV show to incentivize popping them out and they're probably mostly over it anyway. If JimBob really wants his 200 soldiers, he best hope the couples above surprise me and really step it up or somebody pulls a Michelle and has a couple of pairs of multiples.

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10 minutes ago, AtlanticTug said:

I don't believe for a nanosecond that any of these people are going to adopt. All that talk is just nonsense from them.

Agree

Jill/Derrick - 5. I don't get the sense that Derrick is that into having many more kids, Plus her c-sections will make deliveries harder and harder.  Plus though his sanity is sometimes questionable, he comes from the land of sensibly sized families and his Mom seems to have no problem with only having a small family--that's a good influence.

Jessa/Ben - 11. Super fertile, will definitely get into double digits but then will give up having achieved that magical goal.

It's all about her--J'chelle's child.

Joy/Austin - 13. Baker's dozen. She started super early and could go for 20. Wouldn't surprise me at all. I disagree on this one. I don't think Austin will like being 2nd to a baby. Maybe only 6 or so--possibly even just 3 or 4. He seems the most selfish.

Jinger/Jeremy - 4. A "respectable" number for a preacher's wife, not a small family but not so large that it's unmanageable. Well-spaced too. Agree

Joe/Kendra - 9. She reminds me of Anna - young, kind of dumb, and impressionable. Started younger than Anna so I'll give her one more offspring.  I think she's into this so 10+ easy.

 

 

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Based on the tweets Derick was liking just after Samuel was born, I doubt they'll be limiting their family size anytime soon.

Joy and Austin seem the most enthusiastically quiverfull so far.

Things can always change, of course. 

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My guesses on family size (if y'all can't tell, I love randomly guessing at bullshit lol)

-Smuggars: 8-10. Anna'll never leave him ever, poor brainwashed thing.

-Jana: 4-6, I see her getting married around age 30 (whenever JB/M decide Hannie and Jenni are stifled into submission enough....) and consistently having kids for the next 10 years.

-JD: also no more than 5-6, he doesn't seem desperately overzealous for a megafamily

-Jill: 1-2 more biological kids max, but I could see them adopting into the double digits because they are soooooo desperate to increase them # of crazy evangelical Christians on this planet. If they can't go out as missionaries and convert heathens, they'll bring the heathen-born orphans under their own roof, goddamnit.

-Benessa: 14-15. I could also actually see them adopting at this point, because they do seem to genuinely love parenthood....but that may change once they've got more kids haha. If they were to adopt I don't think their bio kids will "naturally" spaced far apart enough for them to do so until Jessa is older. 

-JinJer: 4, definitely no more than 5. Actual preachers and preacher's wives are *busy*, especially as Jeremy seems genuinely interested in growth within his profession, so to speak. And Jinge doesn't seem keen on eternal of loud, messy, sticky brats. 

-JK: 10

-Josiah: if any of the duggar kids go with a letter-theme again, i bet it'll be Josiah. He seems like a cheeseball lol. My favorite letter is K, so my fundie pipe dream (besides them all escaping) is for Josiah+MrsJosiah to pick K :my_biggrin:

-Jostin: 13, love the baker's dozen comment someone made earlier lol. If she's not pregnant with a girl right now, I want her (or Jinger) to have the next girl grandduggar

 

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I think a lot to do with Michelle and Kelly having a large number of kids is also to do with the sheer amount of unprotected sex they are having as well. 

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23 hours ago, JoyJoy said:

Wedding is this weekend. Friday, but i can't recall the exact time or location & wouldn't put it out there anyway. But it's definitely tomorrow.

 

And all the kids will all have as many babies as they possibly can. (Except for Jinger - somebody said 4, and i agree with that) There will be so many grandduggars they won't be able to keep up! 

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I think Jessa is going to try to crank them out as quickly as she can. Adoption takes too long; she'd be waiting during her fertile time. She may try to adopt after she's done, but I don't think it will go well unless she agrees to take older children.

Jill will keep trying for that VBAC long after sense should have taken over. If Derick steps in and insists she stop,he'll have to have a vasectomy to make her stop. She'll go completely off the rails; wind  up in "Jesus  loony bin " or its equivalent.

Jinger: I agree, 3 or 4

Josh: Anna will have maybe one more and he'll either leave or have a heart attack from his horrible diet.

Jostin: I just don't know. If she's going to be a house flipping helpmeet she can't keep having babies. They take up too much time.

JoKen? I don't know. Maybe 5 and done.

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3 minutes ago, CorruptionInc. said:

I think a lot to do with Michelle and Kelly having a large number of kids is also to do with the sheer amount of unprotected sex they are having as well. 

That plus being hyper-fertile, having uteri made of iron, and having had surprisingly few complications.

They are the exceptions not the rule, and both have availed themselves of conventional medical treatment (thanks tax-payers and Medicaid) instead of trying and failing with crunchy home-births.

8 minutes ago, FrozenSmile said:

Wedding is this weekend. Friday, but i can't recall the exact time or location & wouldn't put it out there anyway. But it's definitely tomorrow.

Well, bless!  Finally.  I hope they entertain <1,000.

Perhaps this wedding reception won't be "Sundaes in the Parking Lot with Joe." I live in hope.

 And I hope FJ will not be too brutal with their criticisms of Kendra's dress.  Even if it stinks, I hope Kendra feels beautiful.  It is the high-point of her life as she will now dwindle into being OfJoe.

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I can't see ANY eventuality where Anna would leave Smugs or do anything to stop getting pregnant. Nothing. If the molestation, porn addiction and affairs didn't do it, I can't see what would.

Joy and Austin I would bet have the most. Joy seems over the top wanting lots.

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17 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

I can't see ANY eventuality where Anna would leave Smugs or do anything to stop getting pregnant. Nothing. If the molestation, porn addiction and affairs didn't do it, I can't see what would.

She's not going anywhere.

And for that matter, neither is he. He has no marketable skill, no real education, no work ethic, and a terrible reputation. In other words, no future without JimBob's $$. He'll live out his days probably in clinical depression (untreated, except the self-treating with food as appears to be the case). If they are all watching him closely and he doesn't have an opportunity to stray like he did in the past, then his only sexual outlet is Anna, who is all to happy to pop out children. Lucky for her and their children, she appears to have a more standard level of fertility.

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1 hour ago, Palimpsest said:

Perhaps this wedding reception won't be "Sundaes in the Parking Lot with Joe." I live in hope.

 

As a Sondheim fan, I must give you all the props for "Sundaes in the Parking Lot with Joe."

 

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