Duggars by the Dozen 30 - On a Mission from GOD!

[Fjrocks]

   I don't think the information should have been released since it was impossible to protect the identities of the victims.

   I also don't believe it's okay what happened with the hacking and releasing of the Ashley Madison site. I completely disagree with the nature of the business, but that doesn't excuse the theft of information.

  This leaves me in a difficult position of, well, then where would Josh be? WHO would Josh be? What greater influence would the Duggars have? Sure, FJ understands the dangers of fundamentalisms but a unprosecuted, untreated child molester, who was/is committing adultery would still be a rising political star. He would still be condemning the LGBT community at every turn and (supposedly) representing family values. 

  I just wish it could have come to light in a different way, though I can't think of any that doesn't involve shouldering the task on his victims which isn't right either. 

[SassyPants]

Well, there is a victim whose identifying info was not disclosed- 

I feel the most sorry for Jill- her name, being first alphabetically, gets assigned. It would have been better emotionally, for it not to be Jill, IMO- 

[VelociRapture]

44 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Well, there is a victim whose identifying info was not disclosed- 

Yes because that victim wasn’t living in a house with 15 other siblings and that victim appeared to be an adult at the time of the interviews, which none of the Duggar daughters were. The amount of redacting for sibling names alone was a dead giveaway as to four of the victims being Duggar children.

[marmalade]

Never mind. It's O'Kelly (Springdale PD Chief), Cate (Springdale's lawyer), and Hoyt (Washington County) who are appealing their ongoing actions. 

[justmy2cents]

11 hours ago, KelseyAnn said:

I think Hannie is really starting to look like a combo of Joy and Jessa. Which is lovely because for awhile she really looked like Turd. 

To me she's looking more and more like Jinger lately. 

[SassyPants]

2 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

Yes because that victim wasn’t living in a house with 15 other siblings and that victim appeared to be an adult at the time of the interviews, which none of the Duggar daughters were. The amount of redacting for sibling names alone was a dead giveaway as to four of the victims being Duggar children.

AND because she wasn't famous and a public commodity d/t to her parents' actions. Not offering any opinion on the rightness/wrongness of the situation, just saying, the parents' actions have had major consequences for some of these victims-

[Greendoor]

Would the Duggars actually consider suing the government?  Apple pie and all that - I would see them as supporting the Right and suing a Red state government seems kinda iffy in that case.  Are they able to seperate church and state?

JB did serve after all.

[Fluffy14]

On ‎10‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 9:53 AM, livinginthelight said:

To be fair, this is a common Christian belief, based on many verses including Jeremiah 29:11... For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you hope and a future, and Romans 8:28....and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

I ascribe to this myself. Without this becoming a sermon, I see "great plans" meaning more that God promises to be with us in all circumstances than that specific pre-ordained things will be accomplished.

I'm not trying to preach and I understand that others don't hold this belief. I'm merely saying that, for me, this comment about great plans is fairly mainstream and not particularly snark-worthy.

Definitely commonplace. But too bad it's not taken in context. My friend believed this belief with her whole heart and when life happened, things got sour and went awry, like things do, it devastated her to the core.

And for me my life or even my daughter who has a brain injury acquired at age 18, which has had life altering changes, taking this verse out of context can be devastating.

Like any author worth his salt, the writer in Jeremiah begins by stating the subject of the passage: “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says to all those I carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon … “ (Jeremiah 29:4).

This verse, quoted to countless individuals who are struggling with vocation or discerning God’s will, is not written to individuals at all. This passage is written to a whole group of people—an entire nation. For all the grammarians out there, the “you” in Jeremiah 29:11 isn’t singular, it’s plural. And you don’t have to be a Hebrew scholar to realize that “one” versus “many” is a big difference.

And the verse just before it is perhaps even scarier. For in Jeremiah 29:10, God lays down the specifics on this promise: that He will fulfill it “after seventy years are completed for Babylon.” In other words, yes, God says, I will redeem you—after 70 years in exile. This is certainly a far cry from our expectation of this verse in what God’s plans to prosper us really mean. He did have a future and a hope for them—but it would look far different than the Israelites ever expected." 

I take issue with all the Duggar blubbering and blathering on of "christianese"  statements.  Like "we can't wait to see what God does through you"   Well then, they might want to redact and take back all those sentiments about Josh.  What did God do through Josh?

And they go on about waiting to see what God does in the lives of all these new blessings, marriages, etc......I am sure as Josh diddleD his sisters and cheated on his wife it all depends on Freewill.

And what if, just what if, Derick goes all off the rails and goes  batshit crazy? What if Jill really can't produced any more kids? And what if someone gets seriously ill? What if someone dies? 

They are all pretty darn sure and cocky  things are going to be all right and God's gonna bless them all.

It is so redundant and nauseating. And what if one of these Husband's turn out to be abusers? 

What kind of thing do you say then? 

How do you explain using that verse? It just makes God out to be a liar. Oh wait, that's where Satan comes In!  What was I thinking. That's right Satan built a fortress in Joshy's heart.

Okay I will end my rant. I am just so over these lily white meaningless tokens of goodwill, when none of us are sure about tomorrow.

END OF RANT.

Oh wait, wait, I guess God's blessings have run out on Josh as he won't be cashing in on a whopping sum of money from Intouch.  And I am ecstatic over this turn of events.

I Can only hope it's the same outcome for the girls. 

[HarleyQuinn]

On 10/10/2017 at 5:24 PM, Knight of Ni said:

I need some advice from my fellow curly haired people. I have just recently decided to embrace my curly hair instead of straightening it or putting it back in a pony tail. I really honestly have no idea what to do with it. The most I know is to put styling cream in it and just let it air dry. Most of the hair creams marketed towards Caucasian women don’t work for my slightly coarse textured hair. Volume is the very last thing I need. Any advice on styling and products would be much appreciated. 

Follow the curly girl method! I started doing this in August and I'm loving it so far. As a caucasian woman as well, I still buy my hair cream in the "ethnic/natural" hair aisle. Those companies know texure and focus all their time and funds on it, so they're who I want to buy from. I've turned into a bit of a product junkie though because of it.

a good website to start is http://amillionwaystoshea.com SheaMoisture is a really good brand with a wide range of products and they're super affordable. Answering those questions will help narrow down your search too. 

Regarding the lawsuit, I'm glad InTouch is out of it now, because they never deserved to be there. 

That being said, i still don't want them to get any money from their suit against the government. Even if it's significantly less. 

[Knight of Ni]

50 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Follow the curly girl method! I started doing this in August and I'm loving it so far. As a caucasian woman as well, I still buy my hair cream in the "ethnic/natural" hair aisle. Those companies know texure and focus all their time and funds on it, so they're who I want to buy from. I've turned into a bit of a product junkie though because of it.

a good website to start is http://amillionwaystoshea.com SheaMoisture is a really good brand with a wide range of products and they're super affordable. Answering those questions will help narrow down your search too. 

Regarding the lawsuit, I'm glad InTouch is out of it now, because they never deserved to be there. 

That being said, i still don't want them to get any money from their suit against the government. Even if it's significantly less. 

I love this site. Thanks everyone for the great advice. Looks like I just need to find the right product that works for me with trial and error. 

[HarleyQuinn]

13 minutes ago, Knight of Ni said:

I love this site. Thanks everyone for the great advice. Looks like I just need to find the right product that works for me with trial and error. 

I found just washing my hair differently helped too. I stopped brushing my hair and just detangle it in the shower with my fingers. I also do the "squish to condish" method as my hair is wavy and that encourages a better curl pattern for me anyways. 

http://naturallycurly.com is a great site too!

[Satan'sFortress]

On 10/8/2017 at 4:50 PM, Four is Enough said:

Not to belabor this, but I guess I'm just thinking that because of the communal closet, none of those children actually have clothing that fits THEM, purchased for THEM. To me, they nearly always look as if the clothing is too big, because, I suppose, you can only wear something too tight if you are pregnant and want to show off that aspect of yourself.

I feel bad for them.. because you know when you look good... 

I am the youngest of 5 kids. We were not a family of means, so I wore hand me downs, including my brother's pants and shirts.  With a few exceptions, I don't think I had many of my very own clothes until I was in high school, and even then I still wore lots of hand me downs.  They probably didn't fit perfectly. I was certainly not a contender to win snazziest dresser, but I never once remember giving a fuck. 

[cascarones]

@Knight of Ni 3a here, I second the t shirt drying style (can't remember who said it) and for styling, I wear my hair braided most of the time. I don't like in my face, am growing it out and my hair lady told me to stop wearing the ponytail since she can see where the hair is breaking off. I'm actually trying the Monat thing right now, the beauty school fried my hair and my friend started distributing. I'm usually wary of MLM stuff, but heck, if you give it to me free and just ask that I photos every week to show how it works, I'll try it!

That being said, I did do the keratin treatment (think Brazilian blowout) when I traveled a lot for work. I didn't get the noxious fume one, I did formaldehyde free for a hair show my stylist was in, then got hooked. It's heat cured, but since I didn't want stick straight hair she didn't just flat iron it four times, she used the flat iron and a big barrel curling iron to regulate my irregular mess. So sort of like a perm, I guess? IDK, I could just get out of the shower, do nothing besides leave in conditioner and it would be shiny, frizz free, bouncy and dried really quick. In some cities it's prohibitively expensive or fancy, but not where I was based, I looked into it where I live now and it's 4 times as much, so none of that for me (but also, you know, trying to have a baby and whatnots).

 

[2manyKidzzz]

Dear @Fluffy14 thank you for the scholarly post. Pretty great for somebody named Fluffy haha.

Life is uncertain. I have studied Buddhism and that is a big point they make in various ways. Religion hopefully can provide comfort and solace, not an exclusive, judgmental stance on people and things and situations. I think religion should provide a sense of community and the stance of helping one another.

And so it goes. We all must carry on it would seem.

[Knight of Ni]

@Fluffy14 I think this is especially true with evangelical Christians. Many talk about the Bible as if it was speaking directly to them. They don’t think about the historical context in which it was written. This is one of the harmful things about taking the Bible literally. Like you said the word you is not specifically referencing J. Duggar but the group of people that the entire was written about. They use modern translations of the language to old translations. It may also stem from arrogance. Of course the Bible is speaking directly to them because they believe and they are just that special. 

[Fluffy14]

Just wanna let you know that smart paragraph in quotations is not me . I got it off the Internet but can't remember where,  thus it's not stated just in quotations. 

But jeeeeeeez they have a million Bible studies and it took 2.2 seconds to pull that one off the net.

People in church gotta read their own Bibles. I used to listen to a guy that hammered that home. Not only that but read every word grammatically.  Read, the therefore,  ands, buts etc. Because those change the meanings immensely. 

Just like that thing they all read about women being silent in church. It was directed at ONE WOMAN, singular!!!!

 

[SassyPants]

13 hours ago, Fluffy14 said:

I Can only hope it's the same outcome for the girls. 

Yes, I can't for the life of me get over the following  facts:

1) They are suing for the invasion of their privacy- that's what it comes down to. If any 2 people need to be sued over the invasion of their privacy, it's JB and Michelle Duggar.

2) What have any of these claimants done since this event to further secure their privacy:

     A- Started a new reality show

     B-Went on a documentary with M Kelly to highlight how strong, healed and resilient that they all are-

 

None of the girls' RE(actions) seemingly match their claims.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Knight of Ni said:

@Fluffy14 I think this is especially true with evangelical Christians. Many talk about the Bible as if it was speaking directly to them. They don’t think about the historical context in which it was written. This is one of the harmful things about taking the Bible literally. Like you said the word you is not specifically referencing J. Duggar but the group of people that the entire was written about. They use modern translations of the language to old translations. It may also stem from arrogance. Of course the Bible is speaking directly to them because they believe and they are just that special. 

For the Duggars, I think much of their verbiage, reactions...are a result of shear laziness. They default to the rote and easy, because it takes less effort and energy.

[Four is Enough]

8 hours ago, Satan'sFortress said:

I am the youngest of 5 kids. We were not a family of means, so I wore hand me downs, including my brother's pants and shirts.  With a few exceptions, I don't think I had many of my very own clothes until I was in high school, and even then I still wore lots of hand me downs.  They probably didn't fit perfectly. I was certainly not a contender to win snazziest dresser, but I never once remember giving a fuck. 

I am the middle of three; wore brother's clothes, and a shorter, very heavy cousin's dresses... while I was tall and skinny. (don't have that issue now, LOL) I only gave a fuck, as you said, when I saw my neighbors getting new dresses for school from the Jewel T man... but of course, I had friends to whom I wasn't related, and I went to school with OTHER PEOPLE. So their ungodly opinions influenced me..

[Fluffy14]

i dont think those girls deserve any of that money at all. And like you said Sassypants is the truth. If it bothered them that much they would go live a secure private life. Not flounce get their pregnant bellies all over the Internet giving birth . 

Sexual abuse victims who are traumatized run from the spotlight not jnto talking about intimate things like babies and procreation.

And Joy's promiscuous eye raising on the platform of her wedding insinuating sex for all to see doesn't seem traumatized at all, and not worried the whole world know she's ready for sex.

It's about the worship of the golden calf.

I swear they have gone back to worshipping the God of Fertility and the Golden Calf.  Clearly they idolize pregnancy , children and money.

[SassyPants]

26 minutes ago, Fluffy14 said:

i dont think those girls deserve any of that money at all. And like you said Sassypants is the truth. If it bothered them that much they would go live a secure private life. Not flounce get their pregnant bellies all over the Internet giving birth . 

 

And I will applaud Derick and Jill if they slowly walk away from the show. If their lack of FaceTime and little reference to their boys is because they are seeking a more private life, I will give them Atta Boys!

[cascarones]

2 hours ago, Fluffy14 said:

Sexual abuse victims who are traumatized run from the spotlight not jnto talking about intimate things like babies and procreation.

Please, please do some reading on the topic before making statements like this. Sexual abuse is processed in many different ways and the girls were very limited in their options to process what happened. 

[llg1234]

3 hours ago, Fluffy14 said:

Sexual abuse victims who are traumatized run from the spotlight not jnto talking about intimate things like babies and procreation.

And Joy's promiscuous eye raising on the platform of her wedding insinuating sex for all to see doesn't seem traumatized at all, and not worried the whole world know she's ready for sex.

/snipped

This post is so messed up, I don't even know where to begin. Just because someone was sexually abused doesn't mean they turn into an asexual wall flower. Sexual abuse victims can want and enjoy sex and that doesn't make them promiscuous.Your way of thinking is extremely harmful and discredits an survivors that don't fit into your perfect victim narrative.

[Fluffy14]

2 hours ago, cascarones said:

Please, please do some reading on the topic before making statements like this. Sexual abuse is processed in many different ways and the girls were very limited in their options to process what happened. 

I have done a lot of reading. I have been traumatized with life long PTSD, and dissociative disorders. Since the age of 2.5 until 18 I was raped by many men sometimes daily .And by women, mainly my mother. In fact the tender years under 5 it was daily. I was used as chattel in child porn weekly .  And yes I had one sick fucking evil family. And spent thousands and thousands of dollars and over 28 years trying to undo the damage.

I have been with and met severely traumatized women  in all stages of recovery. The vast majority do not seek any spotlight. My therapist and other PHDS  and Dr.s who have worked with me told me this fact.  I am well versed in sexual trauma.

.And  from my own personal view which everyone has their own views,  I personally don't think what Josh did to any of his sisters was as harsh as people like to think. Nobody will really know the extent but I was frigging GLUED to the TV when this came out. I have rewatched it trying to scrutinize their behaviour almost frame by frame.

I'm not  saying it wasn't or couldn't have been traumatic for them. Nor am I dismissing their stupid upbringing. The reactions from the girls themselves make me think it really wasn't as bad as some people assume or what some people experience.

 

 I am fully fully aware of the detrimental affects sexual abuse victims face from the promiscuous attention seeking to the wall flowers.  I know that some are able to carry on with sexual relations and some are immobilized. 

Probably my choice of wording regarding Joy in my last statement was glib and not well thought out. And many women don't feel the affects of the aftermath of abuse until after they become sexually active. So while .joy may have been ready to get it on up on stage and excited to consumate her marriage doesn't mean she won't relive and struggle with what Josh did after she is with Austin. And it may take years to come to grips with any issues she has.

I'm sorry my comments seemed out of touch, incompassionate and I'll informed.  

I think my problem is I am just so over the entitlement factor that this family seems have flowing from their pores it just makes me get all pissy at them. And asking for millions of dollars for their trauma, when their are millions of women who suffered far more gets me highly agitated. 

And admittedly I have lost a huge amount of compassion for them about this whole situation.  I can be a harsh judge and it is my downfall because I measure everything against my own experience.  Which I know isn't fair at times. But it is something I cannot help but do. It is human nature to do this . Unfortunately my experience goes off the charts.

I belong in the group where people usually don't make it, or end up on the streets or severely self medicated and fucked up or institutionalized. 

What is really really frustrating is I can't tell people my story. The people whom I have tried to tell it to can't take it. One friend ran to her liquor cupboard and poured a huge glass of vodka. And I was thinking gee it hasn't even got bad yet. 

And my husband probably knows less than anyone. So the only ones who could listen were the ones getting paid. That is a harsh reality. 

So I am sorry my words were lacking . Next time I will edit it better.

1 hour ago, llg1234 said:

This post is so messed up, I don't even know where to begin. Just because someone was sexually abused doesn't mean they turn into an asexual wall flower. Sexual abuse victims can want and enjoy sex and that doesn't make them promiscuous.Your way of thinking is extremely harmful and discredits an survivors that don't fit into your perfect victim narrative.

Your right. I was careless with my post.  

And my perfect victim narrative  is unfortunately so long and so vast and so unequivocally evil I forget people are not all like me.

I am sorry for the offensive statements .And I am sorry for upsetting you and others.

Oh and for the record Josh is completely at fault for his actions and he is a sick fuck.  And don't get me started on the parents.

 

[VaSportsMom]

5 hours ago, Fluffy14 said:

And Joy's promiscuous eye raising on the platform of her wedding insinuating sex for all to see doesn't seem traumatized at all, and not worried the whole world know she's ready for sex.

This line of thinking is complete bullshit. I'm shocked that none of those therapists & "PHDS" explained this to you. Shame on them. 

[Fluffy14]

18 minutes ago, VaSportsMom said:

This line of thinking is complete bullshit. I'm shocked that none of those therapists & "PHDS" explained this to you. Shame on them. 

You can be all BS you want.  I explained my dumbass comments and clearly you missed my apologies. I can see your not really pointing the fingers at the drs. Or psychiatrists , your pointing the finger at me for saying a dumb comment. 

My immediate response of course is that you dismiss everything else about my experience and clearly think I must be full of crap.   It's okay. I'm a big girl and have been through far far trauma in my life than your biting little comment.