Dillards 33: Now Including Samuel

[calimojo]

1 minute ago, MayTheWilberforceBeWithYou said:

I worry as I'm in plenty of online support groups and there's posts all the time of huge babies born premature. Someone posted today about her newborn who was born at 32 weeks and it looked full term. I have a good doctor, (not to brag, but she's one of the best endocrinologists in the country), but she's probably going to retire in the next few years. 

Diabetes in pregnancy is something to take seriously, so yes getting informed and following your specialists advice is very important.  Be sure you are keeping yourself fit prior to getting to pregnant.  Be sure your kidneys are strong and your sugars have been stable for a while. 

That being said millions of women with diabetes go on to have fully healthy and uncomplicated deliveries and their babies are perfectly fine. 

 

And there is a difference between type 1 diabetes and type 2 and also Gestational Diabetes. Over the past several pages we have largely been speaking of GD, not Type 1 which as you know is a whole other animal.  So no internet advice, no online chatroom is going to know and understand your body's specific issues, and reactions to food, insulin, and endocrine system.  Go to the experts and get educated from reliable sources. 

 

[VelociRapture]

2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Not a psychologist. I'm concerned that Jill was still so upset about the shower rack incident, even after she was home. I understand her fear when it happened. I'd be freaked out too if I thought someone was trying to break in. I just wouldn't expect the same level of fear weeks after the incident. Aside from Derrick, she has no one to talk to in SCA. The ladies who come for banana bread and Bible study, probably don't know enough English to be supportive. Jill may also not want to show "weakness" in front of them. I think she has to resolve some issues before she goes back. Maybe the lawsuit will keep her here a while.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Jill was with her young child in a dangerous place that still didn't feel like home to her. They know people who had been murdered since they've been down there. Being terrified when hearing a loud sound unexpectedly like that under those circumstances is completely normal to me.

Most importantly though, is the fact she was with her young son. Her first reaction was to grab her son and hide with him, indicating she believed danger was imminent and that she needed to protect her child. It does not matter that there was no actual danger - when you truly believe your child is in danger it is legitimately terrifying. That type of fear is very real and not easily forgotten, even if the actual danger wasn't real.

1 hour ago, Greendoor said:

I'm not convinced JinJer saying they want to meet Sam and will be praying is much on a scape of 1-10.  

Where is a pic of Isreal holding him?  Nothing else will quell my questions.

Like @Gobsmackedsaid, Izzy may not be allowed in if Samuel is in NICU. The risk of passing an infection to a vulnerable baby is too high and young kids are notoriously germy. I don't know if there are set ages every NICU follows or not though, but my 10 month old nephew was not allowed to visit my daughter in NICU sat December. They made special exceptions to visiting hours for siblings, but even they had to follow the age rule.

[luxfilia]

6 minutes ago, MayTheWilberforceBeWithYou said:

My type 1 self is suddenly terrified and just thinking "ouch". 14 pounds?? That's insane!

So insane, and my friend is quite tiny (though her husband is not), but she has an understanding that they will do a C-Section at 37 weeks or so if the baby IS looking quite large. Her doctor seems to be planning for that. She is due in November and doesn't seem large at all yet. She isn't swollen or anything to my eye, either. She commutes to work every day and works as a journalist, and even walked a couple miles to her car after a work event a couple nights ago. I don't think she is struggling any more than the average pregnant woman, so I am hoping her baby will be a more reasonable size and she will have few/no complications.

[SassyPants]

9 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Jill was with her young child in a dangerous place that still didn't feel like home to her. They know people who had been murdered since they've been down there. Being terrified when hearing a loud sound unexpectedly like that under those circumstances is completely normal to me.

Most importantly though, is the fact she was with her young son. Her first reaction was to grab her son and hide with him, indicating she believed danger was imminent and that she needed to protect her child. It does not matter that there was no actual danger - when you truly believe your child is in danger it is legitimately terrifying. That type of fear is very real and not easily forgotten, even if the actual danger wasn't real.

 

Wasn't Derick home with her when the rack fell, and didn't he lead them to the BR for shelter?

[Mela99]

Recovering from a c-section always sounds horrific to me. Never been pregnant (yet) but I have nightmares at the idea of being cut open. 

I always wonder if fundie wives who have c-sections are actually allowed to recover or if they're still expected to be cheerful and helpful . 

[sawasdee]

5 hours ago, calimojo said:

So personally,  I am invested in children, babies, parents etc.  Yet,  I also am pro-choice.  But,  for me,  I have worked and always advocated that we need to emphasize choice PRIOR to conception through excellent sex ed, easy and free or inexpensive access to safe and effective birth control options, etc.  If we do that, the number of Abortions will be driven down. 

I would like to see us at a point where the use of abortion is extremely rare because women are well educated and well resourced for their reproductive health prior to getting pregnant.

I wish I could upvote this a million times, especially the part I bolded.

Defunding organisations like PPP won't reduce abortions - it may actually increase them, as lack of access to affordable contraception could lead to a revival of the 'backstreet abortion' - with all its attendant dangers.

I don't believe that abortion can ever be eliminated. There will always be women desperate enough to try any method, no matter how dangerous, to end a pregnancy. All we can do as societies is to make contraception freely available, educate our youth in its use, and, in extremis, offer safe abortion. But I know that that is probably never going to happen, when abstinence is still the only advice given in some communities.

[sj3339sta]

44 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

@Shadoewolf Congratulations on being deleted from DFO. You know you hit a nerve. 

I don't go to the page anymore. It is SO very annoying not to be able to comment. I was deleted when I went on a commenting spree after Counting On was announced. Apparently calling IBLP a cult is a shure fire way to get deleted.

[Kittikatz]

What is DFO? I'm guessing Department of Fisheries and Oceans isn't quite right.... 

[Greendoor]

So are we sure Sam is in the NICU?  Or just guessing?  And why haven't we seen Jill?  Could something have happened to her?

 

[ljohnson2006]

When will Jill and Derick stop trying to have homebirths, and just go straight to the hospital? Another botched homebirth attempt, while possibly injuring another child.  I'm sure we will get some story in the birth VSE.  DFO is Duggar Family Official. It's their FB page. 

[adidas]

28 minutes ago, Kittikatz said:

What is DFO? I'm guessing Department of Fisheries and Oceans isn't quite right.... 

Lol I was thinking something totally different. DFO here is a factory outlet. I was thinking that since the Duggars like to buy used to save money, they would probably like DFO as well .

https://www.dfo.com.au/homebush/

But afaik DFO doesn't have forums and if they did, they probably wouldn't ban someone for pointing out that jill isn't a midwife. 

I googled and it's the Duggar family Official Facebook page.

 

[JessaBlessa]

Have we only had the one congratulatory video from the Duggar Family?  The one from Jeremy and Jinger?

[marmalade]

That's it. 

[Kittikatz]

@adidas thank-you! Its interesting how location impacts  associations people make with words. Google DFO from Canada, and you get lots of info on fishing quotas... I couldn't see the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans hosting a forum or caring much about the Duggars  

[Audrey2]

7 minutes ago, JessaBlessa said:

Have we only had the one congratulatory video from the Duggar Family?  The one from Jeremy and Jinger?

Of course. We must dispel the family feuding myth between Derick and Jeremy because they love each other and love God, y'all. Congratulations! Woohoo!

[Paigerin2]

If this has been asked I apologize but I was reading some comments on FB and several people said that it is basically "not allowed" for a Midwife to do a VBAC at home. Is this true and if so, how on earth did Jill think she was going to attempt this? I mean she should know this through her "midwife training". We don't know for sure that she labored for 40 hours at home so if she was at the hospital - would a dr let her labor that long knowing her previous issue?

Oh and I just have to say on another note, I thought Jinger looked very pretty on her Congratulatory video. Best she has looked in a while!

[Bethella]

57 minutes ago, Paigerin2 said:

If this has been asked I apologize but I was reading some comments on FB and several people said that it is basically "not allowed" for a Midwife to do a VBAC at home. Is this true and if so, how on earth did Jill think she was going to attempt this? I mean she should know this through her "midwife training". We don't know for sure that she labored for 40 hours at home so if she was at the hospital - would a dr let her labor that long knowing her previous issue?

Arkansas' midwife regulations do not allow a lay midwife to deliver a VBAC at home. The current regulations and draft version of new regulations are listed here (http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Pages/LayMidwifery.aspx).

We don't actually know where Jill labored, all we have right now is speculation. There are several potential situations: she could have labored at home without a midwife (or with an unlicensed midwife); I doubt a licensed midwife would have risked her license to attempt a VBAC at home with Jill; Jill could have been at the hospital the whole time. At the hospital the doctor could have been okay with Jill laboring that long, or Jill could have refused medical interventions during the 40 hours of labor; it all depends on the doctor. We won't actually know what happened until they tell us.

[RoseWilder]

7 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

This. Being fundie is about what you believe in and preach, not necessarily your clothes and lifestyle. I'm happy that Jinger seems to be having a grand old time wearing pants and leading a far more liberal lifestyle than her upbringing, but in all likelihood, she probably still shares her husband's rather extreme and bigoted beliefs about LGBT people and what it means to be a "Christian".

I agree. I don't think Jinger wearing pants means she's not Fundie anymore (or that Jeremy isn't Fundie.) The only thing it proves is that JimBob and Michelle were lying through their teeth when they claimed the girls wanted to wear skirts, that it was totally their choice. 

[Funwithfundies]

11 hours ago, SamiKatz said:

My niece was  8lbs 8 oz when born, but had to be put in an incubator for a few days as my sister also had a long labour (water broke on Sunday, niece was born on Tuesday), and it was startling to see all of those tiny babies and then my niece.

My first two kiddos ended up in the NICU.  They were 9 lbs1 oz and 10 lbs 2 oz respectively (five years apart - not twins!) and looked positively freakish compared to the other NICU babies.

[aprilx]

Late to party to post I know. I thought Sam looked in good health, good colour, good cry and good tone in the pic. Hopefully the oxygen and iv etc just means a rough first few minutes , which can happen after a difficult birth. Am sure doesn't need picu unless significant infective risk , but I also know medics often overtreat in USA compared to here (UK). Just my thoughts.

[jozina]

Could also need NICU if hypoglycaemic or ongoing resp distress or unexpected congenital problems or an intrapartum fetal haemorrhage or seizures or... There are lots of reasons a newborn may need NICU after an easy birth let alone a difficult birth and we can't tell that from a photo.  An IV in a limb is unlikely to be sited for a rough few minutes - easier and more ideal to do an umbilical line which is the recommended standard here in the UK. If a newborn's at the point where they need a line immediately in the delivery room for poor transition to extrauterine life they'd usually have needed intubation and chest compressions too.

And I'm in Australia, not the US.  We have very, very similar protocols to the UK.

[Jug Band Baby]

14 hours ago, eveandadam said:

I think the idea of abstinence within a marriage would be a great solution for them to space children and would even be a solution for gay people. If they are against the gay lifestyle (Whatever that means) why not abstinence (even within a gay relationship). If you are not a highly sexual person this is not a big obstacle.

Wimminz are supposed to spread their legs when the man gets horny.  That's god's way of telling you to try making the next blessing, you know.

[KnittingOwl]

13 hours ago, amandaaries said:

According to fundy logic, having carried a baby and given birth, I should somehow be pro-life.  Honestly, though, pregnancy and labor made me realize moreso than ever before, that absolutely NO ONE should ever tell a woman what to do with a pregnancy.  If she's ready, willing, and able to proceed, then awesome.  If not, no one should stand in her way to prevent her from making the best decision for herself.  Pregnancy is so. fucking. hard...and then there's labor.  And THEN the baby/ies is/are little insomniacs with NO communication skills who require round the clock care.  Parenthood is not for those who aren't prepared for serious work and sacrifice. 

Damn straight. I hate the people who say that a woman should continue an unwanted pregnancy and then put baby up for adoption. Pregnancy is inherently risky. It sucks. Women DIE from pregnancy. But it's treated as routine and nothing more serious than a teeth cleaning. 

[JemimaPuddle-Duck]

6 hours ago, Mela99 said:

Recovering from a c-section always sounds horrific to me. Never been pregnant (yet) but I have nightmares at the idea of being cut open. 

I always wonder if fundie wives who have c-sections are actually allowed to recover or if they're still expected to be cheerful and helpful . 

I'm definitely allowed to recover. My husband waits on me hand and foot after my C-section. ;-)

[nastyhobbitses]

31 minutes ago, JemimaPuddle-Duck said:

I'm definitely allowed to recover. My husband waits on me hand and foot after my C-section. ;-)

Considering how much of a dick Derick has turned out to be, I doubt he'd do such a thing for Jill.