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SilverBeach

I have read that giant babies may sometimes be the result of gestational diabetes. 

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singsingsing

Quoting @SapphireSlytherin from the last thread:

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Assuming you mean that Central America, in the situation they were in (scary/dangerous), should be off-limits? There are plenty of places they could go outside the US where it's safer, and where they could still be "missionaries." (Quotes on purpose because I don't think converting ebil Catholics to their version of christianity counts as missionary work.)

Sort of. There are definitely safer places, but I really feel like they should stay in the U.S. for now. Close to home, close to family, close to everything familiar. They've been through a lot of extreme change and extreme stress over the past few years, and they need a break. They need a chance to rest, recover, and do some soul-searching. A chance to focus on their own health, mental and physical, on their marriage, and on their children. Maybe after enough time has passed and they've been able to recover and get their bearings, get a really solid foundation under them, then they can think about being missionaries again.

Of course, these are all just my own personal feelings on the situation. I can only speculate on what they're thinking and feeling and what might be best for them. Jill and Derick can do whatever they want.

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VineHeart137
7 minutes ago, bal maiden said:

If you all think Sam is a giant, I should show you my 10lb3ozer, he's over 11lbs now at 4 weeks old! Born at home with no issues. Where do I collect my fundie mothering points?  :my_angel: 

Congrats! I bet he's a cute little chunky monkey!

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Four is Enough

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 If Jill so desperately wants a vbac, she needs to seek out proper prenatal care during her pregnancies. Otherwise, her subsequent pregnancies will be a crapshoot where the odds are stacked against her.

And I don't feel sorry for Jill much either. I feel sorry for the pain she went through, and I'm glad that she and the baby seem to be doing ok, but if she sought out proper care and went to a hospital, she might have gotten her vbac.

 

I completely agree. My hope for Jill is, before she undergoes another pregnancy, she sees a physician, gets a complete physical for herself, follows any advice the physician gives for getting/staying pregnant, and has complete, involved medical care throughout pregnancy and delivery. I'd feel a lot safer.

 

Oh, and my godmother had four children. Her smallest was ten pounds, her largest, thirteen. Home births, vaginally.

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1 minute ago, Four is Enough said:

I completely agree. My hope for Jill is, before she undergoes another pregnancy, she sees a physician, gets a complete physical for herself, follows any advice the physician gives for getting/staying pregnant, and has complete, involved medical care throughout pregnancy and delivery. I'd feel a lot safer.

Pasting my comment in the previous thread because it was the second-to-last and I think it will get lost:

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This might be presumptuous, but I can't help but wonder if the c-section could have been prevented. I myself was an emergency c-section after it was determined I was "too big" (9lbs., 13 oz.) to come out. For reference, my parents got adequate pre-natal care and had gone to the hospital as soon as my mom began to feel contractions. I was not overdue (my mom attests I was right on schedule) and needing the whole procedure came as a shock to everyone. When my mom got pregnant with my younger brother, they took measures to try and prevent a repeat c/s and ultimately induced my mom about three weeks before her due date. He was delivered via v-bac and was over eight pounds with an apgar score of 9 (whereas mine was 5).

I understand, though, that there are a variety of reasons for needing c-sections that can't easily be avoided. I'm on board with the assumption that Jill went way overdue (again) and attempted a home birth before being rushed to the hospital at the last second. Again, though, we're not sure what exactly happened yet and this is pure speculation.

Just like my mother, it doesn't seem like Jill is cut out for vaginal births without medical intervention.

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Chewing Gum

My fear is that Jill will at least continue to get pregnant until she had a girl. She want a girl so desperately. So I hope her next is a girl and then they'll stop. One can dream. 

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Jaedzia

@PennySycamore I wish I knew the name of the test but I don't. I know it happened in the womb. I'll never forget what my third girl niece looked like at the stillbirth. I don't want to spell it out in case it would upset someone, but it was obvious they were trying medical treatment while in the womb. 

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bal maiden
21 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

I have read that giant babies may sometimes be the result of gestational diabetes. 

Can be, but some of us just make giants! Both my babies were over the 95th centile, as were my brother's kids (a doctor's kids, no less). We have no idea which camp Jill falls into unless she plans to publish the results of a glucose tolerance test...

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SilverBeach

@bal maiden, I hear you, was just mentioning it. Don't know if blood sugar testing is routine prenatal care now, wasn't when I had mine. I don't really think under ten pounds is giant though. Mine was eight pounds one ounce with a big round head, and that was enough to push out. I'm not sure there's a correlation between birth weight and later body size. I was a five pound something ounce infant, yet I've always been big. Interesting.

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melon

Bal Maiden,I had giants,too!My smallest was 8lb15oz,then 9 7 and 3/4 oz and last 10lbs 4 oz.All were vaginal,in the hospital.Mr Melon was a big baby at 10lbs 6 oz...I told a friend this,when expecting my first..she say Melon,you're doomed...lol.I had a glucose tolerance test and everything was normal.My boys were in the 90th or higher percentile.People either admired them and asked what I fed them or acted like they were doomed to be obese.

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eveandadam

I think the idea of abstinence within a marriage would be a great solution for them to space children and would even be a solution for gay people. If they are against the gay lifestyle (Whatever that means) why not abstinence (even within a gay relationship). If you are not a highly sexual person this is not a big obstacle.

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melon

My mother had 4 C sections.So I was due around the 15th but they scheduled my birth on the 1st.I was 8lbs and 3/4 oz.The doctor said I may have been 9lbs if I had gone longer.

 

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BabyBottlePop

This article got Israel's birthday off by a year. The horror! I could see Jill being upset because it looks like it took her more than a year to get pregnant since marriage! :jawdrop:

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Corrected my own mistake!

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melon

I am really curious why Samuel has oxygen,an IV and a heart monitor.

 

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Gobsmacked

My two weighed 6lb at birth. They are now 6 feet 6 and 6 feet 4inches tall. At birth they looked very scrawny.

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TeamDefraudinSquad

I guessed Samuel's birth date and weight incorrectly, but correctly guessed his moon sign (the moon was still in Saggitarius on July 7th... :pb_lol:)

36 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

I have read that giant babies may sometimes be the result of gestational diabetes. 

(Disclaimer: I have no experience with being pregnant for longer than 2 months, but here's my speculation, to be taken with a hefty grain of salt :pb_smile:)

I know shit happens, even with the best-intentioned parents, and there could be any number of reasons the baby was hooked up to iv's in that picture D-Wreck posted, but I had a similar thought, except I wondered if gestational diabetes might have something to do with the non-routine newborn care. I don't know what the risks are when a pregnant woman with gestational diabetes doesn't take insulin, but big baby + iv's did have me thinking along the lines of complications from untreated gestational diabetes.

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Gobsmacked

 

#1 had 'wet' lungs at birth. He spent 5 days hooked up to an IV in NICU. The splint is to prevent the IV line kinking. 

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allthegoodnamesrgone

Jill can still safely have a couple more kids, IF she would go to the damn doctor with the next pregnancy, get any prenatal care, and just schedule the c/sections on her due date.  She cannot have vaginal babies, it happens I couldn't either, no shame as long as you have a healthy baby that is all that matters.  This BS DQ & Boob spew about having all the kids god allows is really just having as many kids as your body allows.  If Jill & Wreck want to have as many kids as god allows maybe the should stop and realize that Jill's c/sections are a clue that they aren't meant to have a jumbo sized family. They can still safely have 4 or 5 kids total. 

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singsingsing
50 minutes ago, eveandadam said:

I think the idea of abstinence within a marriage would be a great solution for them to space children and would even be a solution for gay people. If they are against the gay lifestyle (Whatever that means) why not abstinence (even within a gay relationship). If you are not a highly sexual person this is not a big obstacle.

That would be a great option for a very small minority of people. It's pretty easy to be abstinent when you're single, but being abstinent within marriage is a lot more difficult for most people. Both spouses would have to have similarly low sex drives and a low desire for physical intimacy. That's not the case for most married couples, particularly young married couples. It absolutely works for some couples. But not most couples.

If they're still totally against birth control, including barrier methods, NFP would probably be the best option for them if they want to prevent. FAM is better (in my personal non-fundie opinion) because you can still be sexually intimidate (okay, I meant INTIMATE, but I'm leaving it for the lolz) on fertile days as long as it's not penetrative sex, but NFP would be the next best thing. Basically it would be the best compromise between the two extremes - you're not 'using birth control', but you're still able to have a sexual relationship with your spouse.

39 minutes ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

Jill can still safely have a couple more kids, IF she would go to the damn doctor with the next pregnancy, get any prenatal care, and just schedule the c/sections on her due date.  [Snip] They can still safely have 4 or 5 kids total. 

We don't know that. Maybe she can, maybe she can't. I know of women who've have 5+ repeat c-sections, seemingly with no issues. My mother had two emergency c-sections and the doctors strongly advised her to never get pregnant again. If Jill's doctor is telling her she can safely have more kids, awesome! If she/he is telling her to stop, I would hope (but I definitely don't expect) that she would take her/his advice.

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Casserole
19 minutes ago, eveandadam said:

I think the idea of abstinence within a marriage would be a great solution for them to space children and would even be a solution for gay people. If they are against the gay lifestyle (Whatever that means) why not abstinence (even within a gay relationship). If you are not a highly sexual person this is not a big obstacle.

I think I need clarification on your "solution" for gay people. Are you saying people who identify as gay but are not "okay" with their own lifestyle should abstain? Abstaining from sex makes them no longer gay? Abstaining from sex while still identifying as "gay" makes them okay for the Duggars/God/whatever religion they follow? 

I'm just confused, because gay people do not need birth control or a solution to being gay... and hopefully I completely missed the mark on your post. 

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shock928

@seasonsoflife I can not give enough thumbs up and agree with you more. C sections are medically necessary sometimes to keep both mom and baby safe. I think since medical care has been readily available for life saving the past decades it has put things out of perspective a bit and now some women tend to value the experience... A bit TOO much. 

I still have nightmares about my births. I can't watch births on tv. I can't talk about it aloud without gripping fear and anxiety. I become panicked and near crying thinking about  how I thought I was dying. It was more of something I survived and I am thankful for the medical care I received - otherwise I wouldn't be here. That being said The USA doesn't have near enough resources for birth trauma and emotional counseling for new moms. It may help those who need it to put things in perspective and recover emotionally.

Also I take "mom and baby are doing well," to mean absolutely nothing to me. My MIL told all our family I was. Doing great! after my hemmorhage. And I was far from well! People were shocked when they finally got the story of what happened. So when Jill says, "I'm okay," then I'll believe she's okay. What's with people speaking on new mothers emotional and physical behalf. Derelict probably can't even relate or guess how she is feeling. That's my two cents!

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Georgiana

When I was born, my mother labored for hours with no progress. She wanted an unmedicated birth, but finally she was told by the doctor "You're getting medication. Either you can try an epidural now to see if it helps, or you'll end up with a c section in a few." 

Mom chose epidural. It kicked in and after 24 hours of ACTIVE labor, I was born within a few pushes. I was 6 lbs. 

Some women's bodies don't respond well to the pain of labor. We know Jill has a particularly poor pain/panic response to pain, so this could be the case for her. 

Like others have said: submitting herself to proper prenatal and natal care could allow her to give birth vaginally. She's just not cut out for the crunchy lifestyle she so desires. 

My great grandma used to say "Ain't nothing more "natural" than a woman dying in childbirth".  Jill needs to realize that SHE NEEDS modern medicine to give birth successfully and start relying upon it. Not every woman CAN give birth unassisted. The maternal death rate plummeted FOR A REASON with modern medical care. 

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