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Continued from here:

Josh does the completely unexpected and tries to tag along on his sisters' lawsuit.

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Interrupting your chat about Mean Girls (great movie!) with an important announcement: ...wait for it... I had my first ever Tater Tot last night!!!!! After sixty million references to them

I don't want to be the bad guy for saying this, but Anna doesn't just get a free pass for neglecting her kids because she 'can't' leave. At some point, she NEEDS to put her kids before her own fears. 

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Joshajerk is how i plan on referring to him from now on. It's goes well with Dilldick and Boobchelle. 

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1 hour ago, Pasta said:

Joshajerk is how i plan on referring to him from now on. It's goes well with Dilldick and Boobchelle. 

Or what about Joshujerk? Joshuass? I can't believe the nerve of this guy.

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@SilverBeach 

Her family was willing to help her before she got pregnant with M5. She may have been a victim when she first married the douche, but not now. Even brainwashed FLDS women find a way out, as do survivors of domestic violence who leave with their children and the clothes on their back. Josh is very emotionally abusive, in my opinion, just because he's not beating her doesn't mean he's not subjecting her to tremendous pain.

I never said it would be easy to leave, I don't think anyone has. But until it's easier to leave than stay with the douche, she will stay. She just hasn't hit bottom yet. Too bad.

Close as I could get to quote since this was on the last thread. 

Just so you know (the general you) sometimes it's not because one is lazy, or likes the good life, or feels superior, or likes the power, or hasn't hit bottom yet. Sometimes it isn't won't leave, but can't leave. Not because of a lack of strength or resources or education or backbone or .... Sometimes it's because you just can't. Sometimes there's simply not enough of "you" left to be conscious of being able to go. Sometimes there is no hitting involved. Sometimes it's simply emotional, verbal, psychological annihilation and when your you simply disappears it's pretty hard to stop taking whatever it is you are taking. Whether you are a brainwashed Fundy or a college educated, intelligent, independent woman. 

So when the general "you" state with authority that she could leave if she wanted to, she may not be there to leave. 

And when the general you talk with the disdain of those who are so lucky to exist, therefore to be able to leave, you are causing, unknowingly, to continue to wipe the floor with those who might be desperately trying to keep that tiny bit of themselves alive so that their inner being doesn't finally slip away. 

You may not believe this is possible. You are so lucky to be able not to believe. I will leave it at that. 

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My Spidey senses tingle.  I predict within 5 years time Josh will have messed around on Anna again.  I think Anna is too 'vanilla' for him and he won't be able to control himself.  He has yet to show any sense of self control thus far.  

He got off way too easy (lost a job he only got in the first place because of his name and not any qualification, wound up in rehab which seemed to be a vacation from responsibility, and Anna stayed).  So he can cheat and pretty much do whatever he wants knowing forgiveness is the end state.  

One of these days he's going to cross an even bigger line and he'll blame it on his past to ensure a faster path to forgiveness.  

Tick Tock...

 

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That Plaintiff-Intervenor is informed and believes, and thereupon alleges, that the aforementioned acts were intentional and done with a conscious or reckless disregard of Plaintiff-Intervenor’s privacy rights, without his consent,

That's strange, I could have sworn that Josh was staunchly in favor of things being done to people without their consent or regard for their privacy rights.

Also, it is really bullshit how the document consistently refers to the serial sexual assault of children as "sexual contact". This lawyer is definitely a slimy asshole.

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Seems I have to learn to use emojis. When I wrote that those nicknames could be used as evidence that Josh' reputation had suffered, that was (I thought) obviously tongue-in-cheek. It would be rather amusing however, if they were read out in court and we could see JB's face. Because even though some of these nicknames might be less than appropriate, it would not hurt if the Duggar bubble was punctured by a dose of reality about how normal people feel about abusers and cheaters feeling sorry for themselves.

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1 hour ago, foreign fundie said:

Seems I have to learn to use emojis. When I wrote that those nicknames could be used as evidence that Josh' reputation had suffered, that was (I thought) obviously tongue-in-cheek.

Sorry, it's just they already named us in the original lawsuit as evidence that their identities were revealed inappropriately, even though the family's fame is why we could.  

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Her family was willing to help her before she got pregnant with M5. She may have been a victim when she first married the douche, but not now. Even brainwashed FLDS women find a way out, as do survivors of domestic violence who leave with their children and the clothes on their back. Josh is very emotionally abusive, in my opinion, just because he's not beating her doesn't mean he's not subjecting her to tremendous pain.

People in FLDS and abusive relationships often require professional assistance from organizations trained to help them to leave. You also forget the Anna is in a unique situation because of her situation. Everything she does, every potential plan or step she takes to break free is potentially being watched by the media. I really recommend Big Little Lies to demonstrate how hard it is to leave and how easily something can go wrong.

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7 hours ago, Coy Koi said:

That's strange, I could have sworn that Josh was staunchly in favor of things being done to people without their consent or regard for their privacy rights.

Ironic that he complains his right to privacy has been violated when he is so eager to tear down Roe v. Wade which helped to establish that right. 

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7 hours ago, LadyPriss said:

My Spidey senses tingle.  I predict within 5 years time Josh will have messed around on Anna again.  I think Anna is too 'vanilla' for him and he won't be able to control himself.  He has yet to show any sense of self control thus far.  <snipped for space>

Within the next 5 years? Funny, I give him less time than that! IIRC he has been out of "rehab" for a year so I give it 2 years before he is cheating or looking at porn again. He could start "innocently" enough by going to Victoria's secret or Fredrick's website with the justification he is looking for a gift for Anna and then he just spirals.

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Finally caught up with this newest clusterf*ck! 

 

How are people going to explain this to the M People, particularly the newest M Person? 'Your daddy made a boo-boo a couple of times and touched his sisters in their pee-pee holders, and all was okay and forgiven until the big newspaper meanies let everyone know and now daddy can't work because no one likes him so we need money'?

I'm not going to deign to speculate on how Joshly treats his own children but seeing this situation unfold as they get older and gradually getting an idea of what's going on can't be good for the M People emotionally. Josh and Anna have both let them down. Anna should have left him, and Josh needs to stop chasing easy money. That and develop some empathy for his victims, but that may never happen.

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Carm_88

I agree that Josh will mess up again. He seems so unhappy with his life, he will turn to his vices. We know he's already hit up food, porn, and adultery are on the horizon. 

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1 hour ago, Rachel333 said:

The nicknames discussion made me think of this...

 

Ermegerd, sitting here in my office cubicle trying not burst out laughing. I promise I'm getting actual work done here...

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@dpndetfarm, I appreciate that you used the "general" you, but I feel compelled to respond since you quoted my post.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you posted, and I don't think my post did either.

I stayed in a marriage too long, just couldn't leave, as you say. But eventually I mustered up the strength to divorce that cheatin' loser.

What happened was that the pain of staying finally outweighed the fear of going. I finally got really angry about  being mistreated.

Some accept their own abuse, but when it spreads to the children, they get out. Its about reaching the point of no return, and that is different for everyone. Sadly, some never reach that point.

But I do hope Anna does, for the sake of her children if not herself. 

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23 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

What happened was that the pain of staying finally outweighed the fear of going. I finally got really angry about  being mistreated.

This is an incredible point.  

I look at Anna's situation. Her sisters have messed up according to their beliefs. The parents now accept the lost ones and have gathered them into the fold. Her parents even accept the turd. So in my mind I cannot say they would not support her in her decisions if she chose to leave. 

Something more than brainwashing, or a pontificating cheat husband is keeping her locked in.  

 Pride/spiritual pride / money/opportunity are very powerful things. When she looks at her parents in their little trailer VS vehicles, planes, travel , money for basically anything she wants  she picks the latter.  When you are poor you are very limited in everything. The world revolves around money and if you don't have it, even a trip to get ice-cream is a no go. 

Growing up poor has long lasting affects and maybe she thinks she can be ........

"12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.

13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength."

So given her current situation maybe she would rather take plenty with a douche husband and learn to be content. We all know this cult likes to throw around that contentment verse, and using it as a superior feather in their cap.  If we have heard it once we have heard it a million times.  Maybe she thinks she can take all the bad stuff Josh throws at her as some sort of sacrifice or cross to bear so that her children don't grow up wanting like she did.

These are just my thoughts. 

 

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27 minutes ago, KelseyAnn said:

I don't want to be the bad guy for saying this, but Anna doesn't just get a free pass for neglecting her kids because she 'can't' leave. At some point, she NEEDS to put her kids before her own fears. 

When has Anna neglected her kids? Compared to say Michelle, she's rather involved. 

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2 minutes ago, Carm_88 said:

When has Anna neglected her kids? Compared to say Michelle, she's rather involved. 

I'm sorry, but choosing to stay with an asshat and choosing to expose her kids to dangerous ideology is neglect. If not outright abusive. 

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41 minutes ago, KelseyAnn said:

I don't want to be the bad guy for saying this, but Anna doesn't just get a free pass for neglecting her kids because she 'can't' leave. At some point, she NEEDS to put her kids before her own fears. 

My Dad allowed my violent schizophrenic mother to abuse her children mercilessly. And while she victimized him too, even taking a knife to him at one point, he has just as much of an obligation to protect his children as did my mother. He should have taken us and left, which his sisters offered numerous times, and he didn't. And while I pity him because he's still trapped with her, part of me resents him for allowing all that to happen to me. 

Bravo!!   

I just cannot reconcile her situation with me or others I know who were in my situation. Without divulging my personal abuse too much , let's just say when you abuse an infant or child/teen so much with so much chronic mental, physical, spiritual, sexual abuse that the brain fragments into so many little pieces and dissociation is so bad you cannot remember what happened five minutes ago and you can manage  to find a way out,  Anna can find a way out.  I know so many more survivors like me. Just go to Survivorship.org or manyvoicespress.org and these people struggle but are making it out.  When war torn survivors can make it out and survive , Anna can. Her situation is nothing remotely in alignment with any of these things.  She has a choice.  Kids are intuitive, kids watch every dam move you make. If she thinks she is shielding her kids from what is going on , she is mistaken. 

 

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1 minute ago, Fluffy14 said:

Bravo!!   

I just cannot reconcile her situation with me or others I know who were in my situation. Without divulging my personal abuse too much , let's just say when you abuse an infant or child/teen so much with so much chronic mental, physical, spiritual, sexual abuse that the brain fragments into so many little pieces and dissociation is so bad you cannot remember what happened five minutes ago and you can manage  to find a way out,  Anna can find a way out.  I know so many more survivors like me. Just go to Survivorship.org or manyvoicespress.org and these people struggle but are making it out.  When war torn survivors can make it out and survive , Anna can. Her situation is nothing remotely in alignment with any of these things.  She has a choice. 

I know! She has a responsibility to those kids to get them out! If my dad had gotten me out when things started to get really dangerous and bad, I wouldn't have the problems I have now. I wouldn't have needed three years of therapy to feel like a 'real' person. I wouldn't have maladaptive daydreaming and I wouldn't have been raped by my mother's drug dealer. But he didn't get us out- he chose to stay. And at some point the passive party in abusive parent relations becomes the victimizer too- by choosing to stay. 

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13 minutes ago, JoyJoy said:

I'm trying to catch up. Have JB and Michelle sued anyone? You know that will be the next headline.

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Actual photo of what's happening at the Duggar House right now. :pb_lol:

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