Anna, Josh, & the Ever Multiplying M Kids, Part 11: His Cheating Heart

[Snarkylark]

47 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

Jim Boob's attorneys? You think he would pay for an attorney for Josh? I don't think Anna is afraid of losing her kids, but if she was threatened like that it might light a fire in a belly. And we don't know what her resources are. She may have more than we think. 

 

 

Yes, I do think that if Anna tried to leave Douche bag that JB would pay for his attorneys. He pays for everything else, apparently. 

[SilverBeach]

2 minutes ago, Snarkylark said:

Yes, I do think that if Anna tried to leave Douche bag that JB would pay for his attorneys. He pays for everything else, apparently. 

Maybe, but I don't think Boob would pay for an attorney specifically for Jdouche to get sole custody of the Mkids. That would be throwing good money away, and we know how cheap Boob is. I don't think he would be that punitive towards Anna, plus, in the patriarchy, there is no substitute for a mother. 

I think the Duggar adult children have more money than they appear to have. 

But who knows with these people, about anything?

[Dandruff]

10 hours ago, Carm_88 said:

Hahah if Rebecca's new guy wants to be part of the family, he best get used to David Waller.  

If Pa Keller approves of this guy then I can't help but wonder if there's something terribly wrong with him.  Adjustments may be needed all around.

[Pretzel]

3 hours ago, Dandruff said:

If Pa Keller approves of this guy then I can't help but wonder if there's something terribly wrong with him.  Adjustments may be needed all around.

Are you referring to Pecan or to Rebekkah's new husband? We know nothing about the latter, so if he is the one you were referring to, I don't see how you can judge him that easily?

[Lurky]

@Pretzel I read @Dandruff as making a joke about Pa Keller's famously terrible judgement in arranging marriages.  He's got a long history of wanting to become Funday royalty, and with John Shrader, Josh Duggar and the Pecan Thief as his son in laws, it's the Kellar daughters who suffer - I'm always so happy for the escapee children, and really worry that Rodrigues daughters will be arrange-married to Keller sons, as Jill Rod sees the Kellers as a stepping stone to her dreams of Fundy Fame.

ETA I also read @Dandruff as hoping Pa Keller has NOT approved Rebecca's guy

[Liza]

Why did Anna marry Josh knowing he had sexually abused 5? people, including his sisters (incest)?  Does this not mean that having children with this guy also puts them at risk?  

And, why now is she interested in procuring a divorce since the Ashley Madison Scandal (cheating on  her) and pornography.  why doesnt she just "forgive" him again?

 

[subsaharanafrica]

13 minutes ago, Liza said:

Why did Anna marry Josh knowing he had sexually abused 5? people, including his sisters (incest)?  Does this not mean that having children with this guy also puts them at risk?  

And, why now is she interested in procuring a divorce since the Ashley Madison Scandal (cheating on  her) and pornography.  why doesnt she just "forgive" him again?

 

Did she know? I know she says she did but she also says that she didn't know anything about sex until her mom told her just before her wedding so how much could she have really known or understood?

Where do you see that she's interested in leaving him? 

[FeministShrew]

I've been thinking about my "past life" a lot lately, wondering why I stayed in bad situations as long as I did, and why some of my friends have stayed in unhappy or abusive marriages, and why some got out and moved on.

One of my best friends dropped me like a hot brick when I separated from my kids' dad. She had shared with me that her husband cheated & was physically and emotionally abusive to her & her kids from her first marriage, but publicly she denied it and always talked about how wonderful he was & how happy they were. Fast forward 10 years, she's divorced and remarried...to a woman. We never reconnected but from looking at her FB page she's genuinely happy now. You can see something in her eyes that was never there in all the years I knew her.
 

Then there's another couple I was close friends with. She is enmeshed with him, totally attached to and dependent on him, and always publicly declaring that he's her One True Love and soulmate. Except he cheats. A lot. 
It took me a few years of knowing him to see the pattern & understand what was happening. He sees a woman he fancies, becomes obsessed with her, and encourages his wife to become friends with her. Long story short, he gradually takes over the friendship, and makes his move. He begins an emotional affair, portrays his wife as an evil bitch who trapped him into marriage by getting pregnant, swears undying love, makes plans to divorce his wife for his new love, but after a few months breaks it off because of his "convictions." I don't know if he's ever actually physically cheated, the emotional aspect seems to be enough. His wife lets him get away with it and even enables him because she thinks it makes him stay with her. It's worked for over 20 years now. 
He seems to love the chase, and to love "falling in love." I guess it gives him the emotional high he craves. To make it worse, he's an ordained minister and used to be "outreach pastor" (we went to the same church). 
I know his modus operandi because he tried it on me. I was neither the first nor the last.
(Funny and true story: after I left the church, he once texted a new, single church  member for a hook-up. I don't know how he phrased it, but the text was not discreet and left no doubt as to what he wanted. 
Except he texted the wrong number, & sent it to my kids' stepmom instead. She called him out & told the pastor of the curch, but Playa said it was a joke & recieved no consequences. I know about it because my kids were teenagers andwere at their dad's house when she got the text.)
 

My point to all this is that some people will do anything, even self-demeaning things, to keep their spouse happy and in the marriage. It happens way more in churches than most people think.
 

[fluffernutter]

26 minutes ago, Liza said:

Why did Anna marry Josh knowing he had sexually abused 5? people, including his sisters (incest)?  Does this not mean that having children with this guy also puts them at risk?  

And, why now is she interested in procuring a divorce since the Ashley Madison Scandal (cheating on  her) and pornography.  why doesnt she just "forgive" him again?

 

I think Anna had extremely limited knowledge in anything sexual at that point, and the way it was told to her could've been a very watered-down, happened forever ago, we were just kids version. Plus in her world, she was marrying into fundie royalty! Everyone prays about it, Pa K gives it his thumbs up, case closed and it's lets not mention of this again.

 

And unless I missed something, I think she is still keeping sweet and standing by her man.

[Dandruff]

3 hours ago, Lurky said:

@Pretzel I read @Dandruff as making a joke about Pa Keller's famously terrible judgement in arranging marriages.

Yes, thanks for clarifying.

[picklepizzas]

I'm always so fascinated by the Kellers' abysmal success rate with their married children (at best it's 3/6 - 50%! why, that's just like the secular divorce rate!) , considering that two of the daughters that DID stay in the fold are SO slavishly devoted to two of the worst fundie husbands i can think of (josh and john shrader). what's the current rundown of their kids? 

Anna & Esther & Priscilla - married and quiverfull 

Two boys - still at home, probably still on the path dictated to them (?) how old are these two at home? 

suzannah - kid out of wedlock, engaged through a non-fundie process

daniel - i don't know much about him. sounds like he's married with a daughter? was this a courtship marriage?

rebecca - i think she definitely had a fundie wedding and divorced. did they have a quiver first? what's the story with the new fiance, if anyone knows?

 

 

[anjulibai]

@picklepizzas, Nathan is 21 and David is 19 next month. I have no idea what they do, but there is a recent picture of them in matching shirts, so...

[Bethella]

1 hour ago, picklepizzas said:

daniel - i don't know much about him. sounds like he's married with a daughter? was this a courtship marriage?

rebecca - i think she definitely had a fundie wedding and divorced. did they have a quiver first? what's the story with the new fiance, if anyone knows?

Daniel is married with a son. Rebecca and her ex had two girls before they divorced. I don't know if they were courtships/fundie marriages at the beginning but both seem to be more mainstream.

[justmy2cents]

54 minutes ago, Bethella said:

Daniel is married with a son. Rebecca and her ex had two girls before they divorced. I don't know if they were courtships/fundie marriages at the beginning but both seem to be more mainstream.

Rebecca's was a courtship.  Her husband decided to step away from the fundy after marriage and she went along.

[Scribber]

To add onto your theories: 
7) She's scared. Of everything: being alone, finding another relationship, looking for a job, paying her own bills, etc. 
Side thought, I wonder how the rest of the Duggar girls would treat her if she divorced Josh? It seems like they are her best friends. Would they be forbidden/threatened by their parents from hanging out with her? Would the rest of the family stay close with the M Kids? 

Not fundie - but married my high school sweetheart who spent most of our 20's as an alcoholic.

I stayed for all of these reasons. (Well, not the duggar girls - but his family in general. And I didn't want to admit the mistake I had made - so pride was crippling.)

However? Thanks to rehab? Life is MUCH different. I wish had that hope for them.

[season of life]

On 6/10/2017 at 8:13 AM, Liza said:

Why did Anna marry Josh knowing he had sexually abused 5? people, including his sisters (incest)?  Does this not mean that having children with this guy also puts them at risk?  

And, why now is she interested in procuring a divorce since the Ashley Madison Scandal (cheating on  her) and pornography.  why doesnt she just "forgive" him again?

We've discussed this in previous threads and some people have speculated Mr. Keller intentionally hid the molestation scandal from Anna because he wanted her to marry a D-list fundie star. Some think the Duggars downplayed the situation to the Kellers. 

[Mela99]

I can NEVER remember, but Rebekkah was married to the one who did that expose post over at TWOP? 

[season of life]

25 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

I can NEVER remember, but Rebekkah was married to the one who did that expose post over at TWOP? 

I think Rebekah's husband Josh (ex, now) did write a post about his father-in-law and how TLC manipulates the episodes.

[BullyJBG]

21 minutes ago, season of life said:

I think Rebekah's husband Josh (ex, now) did write a post about his father-in-law and how TLC manipulates the episodes.

That's the biggest mystery. That they seemed like the healthiest of all the couples, and yet they got divorced, and she's with the older guy now.(David said his name; Kevin?) First-hubby had nothing against the Keller family; just ATI/IBLP and the TLC film crew. He was trying to help people see the problems in it, which led to Recovering Grace, as well as his own "detox" site.

[melon]

Daniel,last I heard,lives here in SC,in the same town I live in.He works at a car dealership.His wife  works at a hair salon.I heard there was flack given to them because their baby is adopted.

[Fundie Bunny]

On 2017-6-10 at 5:13 PM, Liza said:

Why did Anna marry Josh knowing he had sexually abused 5? people, including his sisters (incest)?  Does this not mean that having children with this guy also puts them at risk?  

I said it before and i'll say it again until I lose my voice if I have to. Anna was a Naive 20 year-old when she married Josh. She didn't even know what sex was. SHE HAD NO FUCKING IDEA. 

And i say this as a 20 year-old with much more life experience on my back. At 20 you are a kid, and you have no fucking idea about anything. Anna was not taught how to live her life, she was taught to clean cook and birth arrows for the lord, so you can imagine how shitty her situation is

[Bad Wolf]

I don't think JB would do anything to take away Anna's kids if she decided to leave. He's too media savvy, and must know that the majority of people would side with her. (Not counting leg humpers.)

[anjulibai]

I think he would. I don't think he'd think twice about it, either. 

[The Wanderer]

33 minutes ago, anjulibai said:

I think he would. I don't think he'd think twice about it, either. 

I agree. We are talking about the couple that took in J'Tyler without really doing anything to help out his biological mother after all.

[anjulibai]

10 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I agree. We are talking about the couple that took in J'Tyler without really doing anything to help out his biological mother after all.

Right? Shows what that family thinks about single mothers.