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Marly
1 hour ago, mizandry said:

Man Bob

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X'D This one had me laughing out loud.

On a more serious note, given they are (expected to be) quiverfull, Anna couldn't have held off of sex for very long. She's been raised with the idea that you should always give in to your husband regardless. So, I'm not surprised she's pregnant. It does make me sad though. They have enough problems to work through without adding another human being into the mix.

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I don't really understand why everyone is happy that it is a boy. Their cult is as harmful to men as to women. Being a man, you are under pressure to provide for a wife and her 10+ kids, and you

I think the fact that Josh set up 2 accounts on a cheating website and admits being unfaithful is pretty solid evidence.

Amen on the entitlement. Josh was told all his life that the sun shone out of his ass. He was the firstborn male, he got to go hang out with his dad at the State Capitol, he could molest his sisters a

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13 hours ago, BeccaGrim said:

He'd have to officially leave her or she'd have to throw him out. I mean, I just can't imagine 3.0.  Back on Ashley Madison? 

I predict...

Jinger Pregnant

Joe and Kendra Engagement 

Jana Courting

John-David Courting. 

M5 birth

Jill Birth

Jessa Pregnant. 

I think Joy married will come before all of the other ones. 

And I'm still hoping against all that is Duggar that Jinger and Jeremy will wait a little to have their first child. 

8 hours ago, quiverofdoubt said:

i replied to a similar comment earlier- i did do the genetic testing for chromosome disorders, but the gender test wasn't part of it or offered to me.  i was told i'd have to do that separately and insurance wouldn't cover.  I don't think it's offered to everybody yet.  And i was given intense prenatal my second time around, due to various risk factors. 

but you're right, it would be possible for her to fine out earlier than 20 weeks, but based on her and her family history of poor prenatal care, i doubt she would.

I don't think they would do that sort of testing since nothing they find out would make them abort and you know Jesus. 

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17 hours ago, actuallyjessica said:

the people who have said they don't want josh on the screens again - why?

He is hideous and unworthy of my royal retinae.

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2 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

He is hideous and unworthy of my royal retinae.

i think most of us agree, but i do have to ask - do you watch the show?

name guesses for me are either matthew, mason or malachi.

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Unfortunately, I only watch TV shows about people who haven't tried to finger five-year-olds.

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22 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

He is hideous and unworthy of my royal retinae.

@actuallyjessica Besides reminding people of his disturbing sexual assaults on his sisters, if Josh was on screen then he would presumably be getting paid. And I don't think anyone wants to support a show that supports Josh. Now if Anna and her kids are on the show and get paid, I don't have a problem with that. Even though it's a platform for her to preach her stance against women's rights, her kids still deserve to at least make some money off of this fame circus that they were forced to join. Also the more financially independent women become, the more likely they re to rethink their positions on women's issues. 

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singsingsing

If Anna is on the show, Josh is getting paid. That money is going straight into his pocket. Probably if Jim Bob and Michelle are on the show, Josh is getting paid. 

Personally I don't really have a problem with Josh getting paid being on the show. At least then I know Anna and the kids are being supported, and having an income independent of Jim Bob and Michelle might help them. Josh getting paid for the show is really no different than any of the rest of them. Especially JB and Michelle. Josh may have groped his sisters when he was 14, but his parents were the ones who covered it up, failed to get Josh or his victims any real help, and decided to put their family on TV shortly afterward. If I were going to boycott, I'd boycott more because of those two idiots, less because of Josh, but that's just me.

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I believe the debate on pertaining to Danica Dillon and S'muggar was not whether or not they had sex but how it happened. He admitted to being unfaithful to his wife. Since the case was dropped one might think there was no truth in it...... This he said she said cases. He had receipt proof I remember reading pertaining to some of the allegations that put him elsewhere at times. I believe the question was more was it assault or not....that I don't know. It's the old saying: "and the rest is lawyers" Just imagine how Ms. Dillon would have been portrayed in court...... 

 

It's interesting how Meri will never have a gender specific clump of Duggar spawn to be grouped in with. I suppose Jinjer could be pregnant now and have a girl but she would still be substantially younger and quite far away. Hmmmm I may be ahead of myself but can we Free Meri. I suffer pain when I think about her formative memories.

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Fundie Stalker said:

I believe the debate on pertaining to Danica Dillon and S'muggar was not whether or not they had sex but how it happened. He admitted to being unfaithful to his wife. Since the case was dropped one might think there was no truth in it...... This he said she said cases. He had receipt proof I remember reading pertaining to some of the allegations that put him elsewhere at times. I believe the question was more was it assault or not....that I don't know. It's the old saying: "and the rest is lawyers" Just imagine how Ms. Dillon would have been portrayed in court...... 

No, the question was definitely whether they even had sex, and the answer seems to be no. The case was dropped, and she admitted that he had documented proof that refuted her allegations. She only made her allegations after the scandal broke in the media, and she had very sufficient motivation to lie in order to further her career (and she succeeded). Even the evidence that was publicly available (evidence on social media pointing to it being very difficult if not impossible for Josh to have been where she claimed he was at the time) pointed to fabrication. We'll probably never know for absolute certain whether anything happened, but there's more than enough evidence for me to believe that her story was false, and trust me, I don't idly discount claims of sexual assault.

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38 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

If Anna is on the show, Josh is getting paid. That money is going straight into his pocket. Probably if Jim Bob and Michelle are on the show, Josh is getting paid. .

That was my thing as well. When Anna was on the show crying about the hurt he caused, Josh was getting paid. He's still the exact same smug douchebag that he was the last time, he participated in the show. He had already cheated on his wife, already had molested his sisters; the only difference is that people didn't know. Josh is the same person, we just perceive him differently. 

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34 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

No, the question was definitely whether they even had sex, and the answer seems to be no. The case was dropped, and she admitted that he had documented proof that refuted her allegations. She only made her allegations after the scandal broke in the media, and she had very sufficient motivation to lie in order to further her career (and she succeeded). Even the evidence that was publicly available (evidence on social media pointing to it being very difficult if not impossible for Josh to have been where she claimed he was at the time) pointed to fabrication. We'll probably never know for absolute certain whether anything happened, but there's more than enough evidence for me to believe that her story was false, and trust me, I don't idly discount claims of sexual assault.

And on top of all that, she made that tweet to Catfish like just a couple days after all that came to a halt. That entire thing was a hot mess.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Fundie Stalker said:

It's interesting how Meri will never have a gender specific clump of Duggar spawn to be grouped in with. I suppose Jinjer could be pregnant now and have a girl but she would still be substantially younger and quite far away. Hmmmm I may be ahead of myself but can we Free Meri. I suffer pain when I think about her formative memories.

Meredith is besties with Aunt Jordyn and Aunt Josie. What should we call that group? 

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18 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Meredith is besties with Aunt Jordyn and Aunt Josie. What should we call that group? 

I think you're thinking of Mackynzie. Meredith is surrounded by her brothers and cousins (also boys).

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bananabread
14 hours ago, Galbin said:

Someone in the other thread was wondering about the episode where Anna announced her pregnancy, and Josh was not exactly excited. It's at 33:35.

 

 

In Smuggar's defense, Anna woke him up and immediately said she was pregnant...he was clearly still half-asleep! :pb_lol: I still think he wasn't super enthusiastic about M4 based on his behavior in other episodes, but I was shocked that Anna told him that way. Wake up, cameras in your face, "THE TEST IS POSITIVE!" Hahaha. Fundies love baby/gender reveals with such a passion, I'm surprised there wasn't more ceremony to it.

Also: Yes, being a fundie male comes with a lot of stress and pressure. However, a fundie male can always choose to go the fundie-lite route, and take his wife with him (think Zach Bates and John Webster, and possibly Jeremy Vuolo). A fundie wife lives at the whims of her headship. When I think about what Anna's life could have been like if she had married someone different... :pb_cry:

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17 hours ago, quiverofdoubt said:

I had that test for both pregnancies as well, the first part of the test.  Neither time was the gender test offered to me, or even brought up or discussed.  I also had genetic tests done for tay sachs and a few others i believe.  Again, it was never mentioned. Only the results of the genetic screenings.  I don't think insurance covered my tay sachs test though :(  fortunately I'm super low risk for ts.  

I'm sorry for your loss.  It's so hard. We lost one with an ectopic in between my two pregnancies.

Yes, I'm 20 weeks pregnant and just finding out the sex this week. I got all the genetic testing and endless blood tests, go to appointments every 3-4 weeks for prenatal care, and sex was never brought up with me. My last ultrasound was at 14 weeks and they said they could only guess. I'm with a certified nurse midwife rather than an OB but working out of a regular medical clinic, so I believe I might be getting a few less ultrasounds than average because that's their preference here, but I think not finding out until 20 weeks is normal.

Re: the men in fundiedom, I'll just add that it might only be SLIGHTLY "better" for you if you are hetero, able bodied, sexual, etc. A disabled (in any way-- even if they still worked, fundie culture is very ableist and focused on conventional ideas of masculinity), less horny/asexual (can you imagine that pressure to procreate with a low sex drive or erectile dysfunction?), or gay or bi man will have it just as bad or worse than any unconventional fundie girl. Also, while this is pure speculation, I would bet that girls are not the only fundie underage kids being abused in multiple ways, but with boys it's more hidden. 

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I think it's time for Anna to leave the show, Her husband is a lost case, he is not going back to the show and Showing us anna and the new baby without josh is weird, See her with everything we know is weird, Jimbob can continue posting old pictures with josh as a kid on his facebook but that's all.

The time to go on with her family has arrived if that is what she wants.

When the show ends jimbob, josh, michelle and anna could make a lot of money with their tour on the redemption and the strength of marriage.:irony:

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1 hour ago, Dr. Fundie Stalker said:

I believe the debate on pertaining to Danica Dillon and S'muggar was not whether or not they had sex but how it happened. He admitted to being unfaithful to his wife. Since the case was dropped one might think there was no truth in it...... This he said she said cases. He had receipt proof I remember reading pertaining to some of the allegations that put him elsewhere at times. I believe the question was more was it assault or not....that I don't know. It's the old saying: "and the rest is lawyers" Just imagine how Ms. Dillon would have been portrayed in court...... 

 

It's interesting how Meri will never have a gender specific clump of Duggar spawn to be grouped in with. I suppose Jinjer could be pregnant now and have a girl but she would still be substantially younger and quite far away. Hmmmm I may be ahead of myself but can we Free Meri. I suffer pain when I think about her formative memories.

So was Joy. Look how that turned out.

(A bit premature at the moment. I'd say, wait until she's much older and only if we get a good idea about her personality, any goals she has, etc. Otherwise, don't get your hopes up - that way you won't be disappointed and you could wind up being pleasantly surprised.)  

16 minutes ago, bananabread said:

In Smuggar's defense, Anna woke him up and immediately said she was pregnant...he was clearly still half-asleep! :pb_lol: I still think he wasn't super enthusiastic about M4 based on his behavior in other episodes, but I was shocked that Anna told him that way. Wake up, cameras in your face, "THE TEST IS POSITIVE!" Hahaha. Fundies love baby/gender reveals with such a passion, I'm surprised there wasn't more ceremony to it.

Also: Yes, being a fundie male comes with a lot of stress and pressure. However, a fundie male can always choose to go the fundie-lite route, and take his wife with him (think Zach Bates and John Webster, and possibly Jeremy Vuolo). A fundie wife lives at the whims of her headship. When I think about what Anna's life could have been like if she had married someone different... :pb_cry:

I wish there was a set definition for Fundie-Lite. It means different things to everyone and I feel like a lot of debates could be saved if the internet could just agree. Lol!

For me, none of the men you named would qualify as Fundie-Lite in my opinion because they still adhere to the same rigid religious views promoted by their cult. To me, attire and entertainment choices matter less than a couple being rabidly opposed to abortion or LGBTQ rights or whether they follow patriarchal teachings.

16 minutes ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

Yes, I'm 20 weeks pregnant and just finding out the sex this week. I got all the genetic testing and endless blood tests, go to appointments every 3-4 weeks for prenatal care, and sex was never brought up with me. My last ultrasound was at 14 weeks and they said they could only guess. I'm with a certified nurse midwife rather than an OB but working out of a regular medical clinic, so I believe I might be getting a few less ultrasounds than average because that's their preference here, but I think not finding out until 20 weeks is normal.

Re: the men in fundiedom, I'll just add that it might only be SLIGHTLY "better" for you if you are hetero, able bodied, sexual, etc. A disabled (in any way-- even if they still worked, fundie culture is very ableist and focused on conventional ideas of masculinity), less horny/asexual (can you imagine that pressure to procreate with a low sex drive or erectile dysfunction?), or gay or bi man will have it just as bad or worse than any unconventional fundie girl. Also, while this is pure speculation, I would bet that girls are not the only fundie underage kids being abused in multiple ways, but with boys it's more hidden. 

Agree on your points regarding non-stereotypical males.

And congrats on your little love! We welcomed our rainbow baby last December. Getting to hold your baby that first time is the sweetest feeling!

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QuiverFullofBooks
44 minutes ago, Gillyweed said:

I think you're thinking of Mackynzie. Meredith is surrounded by her brothers and cousins (also boys).

You're right, I was. Meredith is six years younger than Mac and she would be at least four years older than a younger sister. Still no Duggar girl cousins. But both Jinger and Joy could potentially have girls who would be less than three years younger.

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4 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

You're right, I was. Meredith is six years younger than Mac and she would be at least four years older than a younger sister. Still no Duggar girl cousins. But both Jinger and Joy could potentially have girls who would be less than three years younger.

Kendra could as well, that would be another Duggar potential cousin. 

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So what are the odds M5 will be called little Jim Bob ? A friend and I were discussing that last bight. Ultimate chance to appease the patriarch after royally fucking him over

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4 hours ago, Iamtheway said:

I don't think they would do that sort of testing since nothing they find out would make them abort and you know Jesus. 

Back in the dark ages when I was baby-making (over 20 years ago) we were offered whatever tests were available back then. Ex said "Oh, no! We don't want any of that. We'd never kill our baby!" The OB got visibly agitated and said that it's not to make you have an abortion, it's so the doctors know of any potential problems and can treat/plan accordingly if you choose to continue the pregnancy. 

(Even though I was swimming in the koolade then, I was thinking, Wait a minute! It's my body, and I'm the one who'll be taking care of this baby, shouldn't you (ex) have asked what I wanted? I think that was the first crack in the dam.)
 

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For those doubting whether Joshley was actually unfaithful, his original statement (before he edited it) said he was unfaithful to his wife.

 

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31 minutes ago, snickerz said:

For those doubting whether Joshley was actually unfaithful, his original statement (before he edited it) said he was unfaithful to his wife.

 

Yeah, but that doesn't have to imply p-in-the-v sex, or any sex at all. These people are so conservative they probably view masturbation as infidelity - esp masturbation to porn/sex cams/etc. I don't doubt that Josh fucked some other chicks, but just saying that  "unfaithful" could mean many things. 

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Yep. Many of them do believe that masturbation is infidelity, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Duggars were of that mindset. There's a million other ways he could have been unfaithful to Anna without physically committing adultery, and the statement was just vague enough that it's unclear.

I 'loved' this part of his statement: 

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I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

His main concern is that he was a "bad example." Josh, you didn't hurt people by being a "bad example", you hurt them directly with your actions. 

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And just for fun my prediction is:

Joy-Anna wedding -- Jinger Pregnant -- Joe and Kendra Engagement -- Jill Birth -- M5 birth -- Jessa pregnant again -- Jana or John-David courting 

Actually, if on the upcoming season we start seeing a lot more of Jedidiah or Jeremiah, I'd suspect them courting before the older twins. I think, besides Jana being cinderella Duggar & JD being a more quiet/does his own thing type of guy, they have been feeling the "oldest child" responsibility. I actually don't think either Jana/JD see any need to get married any time soon, even if they want to.

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