Counting On: Season 3, Part 5: Engagment on the Horizon

[singsingsing]

8 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

The Sister Fidelma novels by Peter Tremayne dress up a lot of 6th century christian disputes, and chronicle the marginalisation of women by the Roman church, in the form of detective novels - the scholarship is heavily disguised - highly recommended - they have led me to a great deal of supplementary reading.

Thanks for the rec, this is an area of great interest to me, and those novels sound like they would combine a lot of different things I love.

[Carm_88]

10 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

Raging misogynist with a high sex drive.......

'Lord make me chaste but not yet!'

The whole thing screams, I had lots of fun and sex but you don't want to do that. Stay away from women! 

[sawasdee]

@feministxtian I would so much love to know you IRL! But I live in Thailand, and you in the US - so virtual BIG hugs for that post.

[singsingsing]

Raging misogyny + high sex drive + self-loathing = perfect recipe for religious fundamentalism. 

[feministxtian]

Just now, sawasdee said:

@feministxtian I would so much love to know you IRL! But I live in Thailand, and you in the US - so virtual BIG hugs for that post.

And great big squeezy, rocking hugs right back to you!

[sawasdee]

I think that @nssherlockhas established a new record for number of downvotes/posts ratio.

Not surprising. s/he has called us leghumpers, cliquish, silly, unable to distinguish spirituality from religion.....and that is in about 8 posts!

Never in the field of internet fora, has so much crap been written, in so short a time, to insult so many people, by such a (seemingly) self proclaimed intellect.

Written by an unapologetic member of the FJ 'clique'.

[Zola]

I found this to be a good article explaining mention of homosexuality in Scripture and how context changes intended message/meaning. 

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

 

And this one gets into more of what Jesus himself said.

https://www.onfaith.co/discussion/what-did-jesus-say-about-homosexuality

 

Pretty sure Jesus doesn't care who loves each other, as long as they love.

[SilverBeach]

13 hours ago, Peabody Holmes Raptorsen said:

I have not read past this post so I apologize if I we are past this in the thread but I felt the need to say something and also back this up (although I'm sure you don't need my 2 cents here @Lurky, you've explained yourself excellently). I also apologize in advance for the language I'm bound to use in this post, this sort of thing tends to break my "keep-sweet meter". This is most definitely a rant and it is strongly worded. I will see myself to the prayer closet now.

@grandmadugger My wife is my soulmate, my best friend. I know that with the same knowledge that I know I hate bigotry disguised in the flowing cloak of G-d's words. Now, I grew up in an ultra chassidic sect of Judaism where anything outside of heterosexuality was unheard of. Even there being gay was not a sin (fun fact Jews don't have sin in the same way that Christians do and it REALLY boils my blood when people read the Old Testament and try to twist it to support their puritanical and intolerant beliefs by citing OT scripture to back up Christian concepts of sin). Ultimately the only sin was what we did to bring ourselves away from G-d. What scripture do you base your beliefs on about homosexuality? Leviticus? Noah? Those are the typical ones people hide behind to justify their homophobia. I'm curious which ones you cite. Are these your beliefs based upon your detailed and thorough study of scripture or is this what you've been told to believe? And if Jesus set you free of OT regulations as you say, then what NT scripture do you cite for this belief? Or did he set you free of everything except judgment of the gays?

My wife and I did not have sex before we were married because I was uncomfortable with it, not because I thought it made our relationship justifiable or morally better. Were we still sinners then? Or only after we consummated our relationship? What about our marriage? Is that a sin in your eyes @grandmadugger? Do you recognize it as valid? Are we fornicators as well as homosexuals in your interpretation of G-d's words?

If we met in real life would you be like her boss and refuse to refer to me as her wife? If I was your daughter, what would you have done when I came out to you? Would you have loved and accepted me or cast me out? Would you love my children with her as your own grandchildren even if she bears them? Would you extend Christ's love to me in the true meaning of that concept, not just saying that the government shouldn't interfere because you don't want them to interfere in your chosen vices? Right and wrong often have nothing to do with the government's laws. Should I have married the man my family arranged me to and pretended to love him and borne him children? Would living that lie be okay because I was living a heterosexual life? I wouldn't have been any less gay, just lying about it then.

See, my love, my marriage, my family, my relationship is not a vice. It does not separate me from G-d. In fact it brings me closer, so in going with the teaching of the Old Testament it is good not bad. Does your drinking bring you closer to G-d? What about your pork which you also mentioned? If yes then I congratulate you, if no then I suggest you take a look at that before you start comparing my relationship to it.

And to all the people who say that being gay is a choice, let's get one thing straight. Yes, I did choose to come out. I did NOT choose to be gay. I did not choose to fall in love with my wife, or the woman I loved before her. My relationship is no different than any heterosexual person's in a healthy relationship. It's 90% about friendship, intamacy, shared experiences, laughter, sadness, joy, respect, family, and 10% about sex, cause let's face it, I think my wife is the hottest thing ever and spooning leads to forking. My marriage is not the same as you "tying one on" on a Friday night. My marriage and my love should not just be not regulated by the government because you don't want them to regulate you or enforce another religion's laws on you. You using that as justification for your beliefs and seeming intolerance doesn't make you accepting, it makes you a homophobe hiding behind cherry-picked scripture, and frankly you seem to be missing the point of Christ's teachings.

Standing ovation. So very well said. 

[SilverBeach]

4 hours ago, nssherlock said:

 

Also sorry to disturb so many people, didn't realize there are cliques on here...

Still don't have a definition of "spiritual" --------    honestly am just curious, not trying to destroy anyone's belief system, just seeking enlightenment.

The Rufus bit is just plain silly...

 

Not so much cliques, just community. Which perhaps you would fit into if you were a wee bit less confrontational, for no reason.

Try Ms. Google for your definition. Yes we get silly sometime, but some things we are dead serious about. 

Like not crapping on the carpet, it's a bitch to clean!

[QuiverFullofBooks]

1 hour ago, sawasdee said:

Raging misogynist with a high sex drive.......

'Lord make me chaste but not yet!'

He also referred to erections as "the resurrection of the flesh." My college boyfriend highlighted that when he was reading St. Augustine.

[sawasdee]

Oh I have to remember that one......Resurrection of the flesh....(silly adolescent giggle)!

[nssherlock]

3 hours ago, Carm_88 said:

It's considered outside of organized religion, which is the point. Many people feel their personalities and beliefs don't line up with any particular organized religion. Yet they believe that there is some point to this life. So they have a sense o fthe divine but their idea of it does not line up or adhere to the beliefs of organized religion. 

Many thanks for that clear, logical, polite answer - much appreciated.

31 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

Not so much cliques, just community. Which perhaps you would fit into if you were a wee bit less confrontational, for no reason.

Try Ms. Google for your definition. Yes we get silly sometime, but some things we are dead serious about. 

Like not crapping on the carpet, it's a bitch to clean!

Thought discussion with people who are "spiritual" would be more enlightening, and has been to some degree.

 

I have tile floors, easy to clean, especially when you foster as many dogs as I have for over 25 years.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, singsingsing said:

Raging misogyny + high sex drive + self-loathing = perfect recipe for religious fundamentalism. 

Very true - and very much a facet of fundamentalism, Christian or islam.

[nssherlock]

59 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

I think that @nssherlockhas established a new record for number of downvotes/posts ratio.

Not surprising. s/he has called us leghumpers, cliquish, silly, unable to distinguish spirituality from religion.....and that is in about 8 posts!

Never in the field of internet fora, has so much crap been written, in so short a time, to insult so many people, by such a (seemingly) self proclaimed intellect.

Written by an unapologetic member of the FJ 'clique'.

Useless and silly - no reason to even go into that.

[Coconut Flan]

On 3/25/2017 at 9:27 AM, MargaretElliott said:

May Rufus bless this post (can we get a Rufus sticker? Who's in charge of that sort of thing?)

I'll work on this more later. 

[Jilli]

1 minute ago, Coconut Flan said:

I'll work on this more later. 

I love this so much 

[formergothardite]

9 minutes ago, nssherlock said:

Useless and silly - no reason to even go into that

Sometimes the best things in life are useless and silly.

[Palimpsest]

We really need to install more tile at Free Jinger.

[Coconut Flan]

I'm still working on catching up after my mother's and her Dawg's week.  Let's just say two doctor visits (one basically an emergency), a flat tire on the way to the emergency visit, waiting at the pharmacy after replacing the tire, plus two vet visits are not my idea of a peaceful week. Oh and the week began with the plumber to unclog the laundry room.  It still does not equal the other admins' nasty week. 

Catching up only to see the carpet is quite, quite dirty and not only in this thread.

 

[onekidanddone]

Oh that does sound like the absolute week from hell. It can only get better from here I hope. Practice some self care if you can. Bubble bath, big dish of ice cream, vodka.. what ever works for you.  Take care.

ETA I've been seeing emojis in posts, but not in the list of available ones. Where do you get them?  Can I just attach any one I find. 

[Coconut Flan]

I think that's a bit better.

2 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Oh that does sound like the absolute week from hell. It can only get better from here I hope. Practice some self care if you can. Bubble bath, big dish of ice cream, vodka.. what ever works for you.  Take care.

Thanks.  Dawg and mom are doing better.  I took Dawg over to see her yesterday and they were both very happy.  Today I have not gotten dressed or done much more than sit on the sofa reading or watching TV.  Tomorrow I'll return to the world. 

[Palimpsest]

@Coconut Flan, I am so sorry.  I hope your Mom and Dawg are OK and that you are hanging in there.

Mercury must be in retrograde, or something, because the carpets have definitely been crapped upon this week.

[onekidanddone]

1 minute ago, Palimpsest said:

@Coconut Flan, I am so sorry.  I hope your Mom and Dawg are OK and that you are hanging in there.

Mercury must be in retrograde, or something, because the carpets have definitely been crapped upon this week.

Wallace the blunder cat pooped in the tub. FJ pets must be planning a take over of their humans.

[Grimalkin]

On 3/25/2017 at 10:51 AM, SilverBeach said:

I'm a native Chicagoan and the lakefront is the best thing about this location. I live way out in the suburbs now and I miss the water.

      I deeply regret moving even further out into the burbs. But there is no way we could of afforded a four bedroom house in the closer suburbs when we were starting out.

      @Pasta I agree rivers are way less fun!

[Coconut Flan]

33 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

@Coconut Flan, I am so sorry.  I hope your Mom and Dawg are OK and that you are hanging in there.

Mercury must be in retrograde, or something, because the carpets have definitely been crapped upon this week.

They both seem well on their way to recovering from the last round.  I do have to make what to me is an unnecessary pharmacy trip probably Tuesday.  The doctor knows she needs x ml of medicine y.  Everyone seems to know this.  According to the pharmacist though the insurance companies only allow x/2 ml per prescription.  It doesn't make any sense because her insurance isn't a set co-pay, it's a percentage of the cost so the only result is my extra trip to the pharmacy. 

I picked out a couple of carpet problems as they registered.  Unfortunately we are rule followers so let them in to see what they do. 

[divadivine]

6 hours ago, nssherlock said:

The Rufus bit is just plain silly, but whatever -------

 

Do not disrespect Rufus.