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It goes to the whole nature vs. nurture debate. I'm torn on what Josh would've been like outside the cult. If he hadn't been raised with these crazy conflicting ideas of his dirty sin nature plus his special authority as a first born son, who knows? What if his self image had simply been that he was an average guy who got pretty good grades in school, had a bunch of friends, and maybe played a couple sports? As he went through puberty, not thinking it was wrong to have sexual fantasies, masturbate or look at porn? Would he have even been a douchebro/frat boy type, or would he have just been a normal young guy who went through puberty like everyone else, maybe did some partying in high school and college but nothing outside the usual, dated a few different girls, started his career, met the right woman and settled down? Unfortunately that experience was denied to him, so we'll never know.

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Speaking on behalf of all the TTC and infertile FJers:  Not. Fair. 

This one is nice, too. Courtesy of http://keepingupwithfundies.tumblr.com/ There's a whole album of pictures where the unspeakable J is edited out like this.

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I would not rule out the possibility that Josh was also a victim of some sort of sexual abuse. I hope I'm not breaking rules in "speculating" but think it's worth acknowledging the possibility. The kinds of behaviors he displayed are exactly what you see in kids who have been victimized, either molested or exposed at an early age to sexual content. Given the history of what went on at ATI, at the very least young girls were treated as expendable objects for men and this mentality is conveyed to followers overtly and subconsciously. Also given the stigma against homosexuality, someone abused in this cult by a man is not likely to report it but may start acting out or trying to figure out sex by exploring with siblings and peers. In no way defending this behavior, just that this is a know way kids respond to abuse. And Jim Bob and Michelle don't have a great track record for dealing with these kinds of issues so I could definitely see them telling a kid to pretend it didn't happen or that it was their own fault.

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Destiny
5 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Hopefully not that much sneakier so we can all experience the schadenfreude of him being caught again.

Gross. A cheating husband is not something we should wish on anyone, especially for random strangers on the internet's amusement. 

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6 hours ago, singsingsing said:

Even in the secular world it usually takes a lot of work (and therapy) to overcome the sort of issues Josh has, and all he got was fundie rehab. I think the same pattern will probably continue with him... he'll screw up, fall from grace, repent, behave for a while, then backslide again. And again. And again. Whether we hear about it depends on how bad it is and how well they can cover it up.

And the thing is, he will never see a reason to change. Why should he? His parents and wife and community and religion will enable him forever. They'll always put up with his bullshit out of naive love, rationalization, patriarchal beliefs about sexuality, false narratives of easy redemption/testimony porn, and the knowledge that he wouldn't last a day without his undeserved safety net. Why should he change when his shitty behavior is constantly rewarded and he knows he'll just get endless second chances as long as he pretends he feels bad about it and told Jesus he was sorry?

He really needs to hear the great monologue from the end of season 3 of BoJack Horseman (awesome show, by the way):

You can't keep doing this! You can't keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about yourself like that makes it OK! You need to BE BETTER. You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol or the drugs or the shitty things that happened in your career or when you were a kid. It's you, alright? It's you.

Replace alcohol, drugs, and career with the internet, Satan, and reality TV.

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Anna was active on Instagram for the first time in a loooong time. What a sad quote to like :'(

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LadyCrow1313
21 hours ago, bananabread said:

Side note, if Anna and Smuggar ever did a candid interview for TLC, it would get MONSTER ratings. I wonder if it'll ever happen.

I can't recall ever seeing (or can recall seeing, at any rate) a Duggar name + the word candid in the same sentence. I'd love to see it, too, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

But I'm not on the Duggar PR team, so what do I know.

On ‎3‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 1:47 PM, lomo6 said:

josh+anna+mackynzie+michael+marcus+mered You're welcome :)

Anna looks amazing in this, & the kids are cute as always. If someone could edit out Prince Joshley it'd be an even better picture.

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Carm_88
3 hours ago, pfled said:

Anna was active on Instagram for the first time in a loooong time. What a sad quote to like :'(

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Comparison is the problem with people being happy with their lives now, because social media shows many things that many of us can't afford or ever do. However, I think Anna likely means that she's comparing her husband with those who don't cheat and lie. :( Poor Anna. 

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3 hours ago, LadyCrow1313 said:

Anna looks amazing in this, & the kids are cute as always. If someone could edit out Prince Joshley it'd be an even better picture.

Anna has really blossomed into a beautiful woman. And I can't believe someone as gross as Josh played a genetic role in creating such cute little kids. 

Also @halcionne you're killing me! :laughing-rolling:

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LadyCrow1313
20 hours ago, halcionne said:

josh anna mackynzie michael marcus meredith march 2017.jpg

:: insert a different, kinder, less assholey husband here ::

This is PERFECT, @halcionne. Thank you. :my_biggrin:

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SummerRocks

They do make cute adorable kids! Baby Meredith seems to have huge feet, no?

 

I find it weird how Josh is sitting, knees towards Anna (showing his wedding ring, just so we all know everything is still fine and dandy. Anna kind of leaning towards him as well. The three older kids separated by boys/girls just sitting next their parents.

Guess that's how it goes in these households. Mom&dad are the most important, followed by babies and then the rest of the pack.

 

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On 3/6/2017 at 8:32 AM, LadyCrow1313 said:

I can't recall ever seeing (or can recall seeing, at any rate) a Duggar name + the word candid in the same sentence. I'd love to see it, too, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

But I'm not on the Duggar PR team, so what do I know.

Anna looks amazing in this, & the kids are cute as always. If someone could edit out Prince Joshley it'd be an even better picture.

Wait...is Josh wearing shorts? Wow, they all look great. Bet they won't be speaking at any marriage retreats for a while. Wish he could have gone to law school, pledged a frat, and just enjoyed life before marriage. I think he grew up too fast and confused.

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On 3/6/2017 at 8:32 AM, LadyCrow1313 said:

I can't recall ever seeing (or can recall seeing, at any rate) a Duggar name + the word candid in the same sentence. I'd love to see it, too, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

But I'm not on the Duggar PR team, so what do I know.

Anna looks amazing in this, & the kids are cute as always. If someone could edit out Prince Joshley it'd be an even better picture.

Marcus looks like Davia.

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On 2/27/2017 at 8:50 AM, front hugs > duggs said:

It just grosses me out that in their world, the cheating thing is a bigger deal than the molesting thing. I just can't logically comprehend that.

cw: rape, molestation 

So it took me a long time to figure this out to, but I think that for fundies, they don't see "sex" (quotations because I am using this as an umbrella term) the way we do. Most of the world sees sex in some variety of the following way: consensual sex is morally good and "nonconsensual sex" (rape/molestation/etc) is morally wrong, and IN ADDITION to that, many but not all or maybe even most at this point also believe pre-marital or extra-marital sex is morally wrong or a grey area and intra-,marital sex is morally good, but that is secondary to the above.

Fundamentalists do not have the first tier. All pre-marital or extra-marital sex is morally bad, but intra-marital sex is morally good. They do not make the first distinction (with the begrudging exception that if a woman is jumped out at from behind the bushes, PERHAPS she isn't morally wrong if she is raped and maybe a man is morally wrong if he physically hurts his wife to get sex but I've seen some more extremeist even for fundies stances on this so...) and therefore, in their minds, molestation and extra-marital sex are basically the same. They are not any different, sin/morals wise. They do not understand the distinction of consent, at least not in the way that the rest of us do, nor do they understand why consent is so important to us morally. If it is outside your marriage, it is wrong. That's how they see it. But in some ways I think that they see the cheating as "worse" because of what people have mentioned before. Marriage is supposed to be modeled on Christ and they are supposed to be Godly role models. The molestation thing was, again in their minds, not in mine, a momentary lapse in judgment but cheating after marriage is basically a public admission that their way of life is not fool-proof.

It is horrible and disgusting, but I think this more or less explains the reasons why it is so. Not logical, just... the reasons.

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Carm_88
32 minutes ago, FloraKitty35 said:

Marcus looks like Davia.

Oh my god, they could be siblings! :o 

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I have often wondered what Josh would be like if he grew up in a more "normal" family too and without the dysfunction. No way of knowing either way, really but for sure the last thing that should have happened with his issues (whatever the causes) was getting married and starting a family.   That was not a solution, it only brought innocent people into the mess.    

I agree with others who believe Josh will mess up again.   He basically got no help not only with Jesus Jail, but he has not gotten adequate help ever.   By this time, he's more of a mess and it's only a matter of time, he will trip up again.

 

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Catching up on all the FJ that I've missed out on due to being busy with school/work. IMHO I would not be shocked to hear that Josh was also sexually abused in his youth. NOT that that in any way excuses his actions but it wouldn't surprise me.

I also agree that Josh wouldn't be Smugger at this age if he hadn't grown up in such a weird cult. He might have still been a jerk as a young teen but by now I think he would have mellowed out. No idea if he would have molested his sisters. 

Lastly, I am about the same age as Anna was when she married Josh. If I blossom half as well as she did I would be very happy. She really looks beautiful. 

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On 27. februar 2017 at 2:50 PM, front hugs > duggs said:

It just grosses me out that in their world, the cheating thing is a bigger deal than the molesting thing. I just can't logically comprehend that.

Or that when the cheating-scandal broke the Duggars called it "addicted to pornography". As if pornography itself is to blame. 

Don't get me wrong, I could rant a good deal about how pornography encourages objectification of women (and men!), but that doesn't change the fact that millions of people watch it without molesting siblings or cheat on their spouses. 

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Where do Josh/Anna live?

Where does their income come from?

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On 11-3-2017 at 3:54 PM, SassyPants said:

Where do Josh/Anna live?

Where does their income come from?

No idea where they live but their income is probably Josh's carwash and Anna's TLC income. 

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On 3/7/2017 at 5:09 AM, LadyCrow1313 said:

:: insert a different, kinder, less assholey husband here ::

This is PERFECT, @halcionne. Thank you. :my_biggrin:

Does anyone else think Michael, Marcus, and to a degree Mack look really similar to Jenni?

On 3/6/2017 at 9:21 AM, ShipFullOfHeads said:

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This one is nice, too. Courtesy of http://keepingupwithfundies.tumblr.com/
There's a whole album of pictures where the unspeakable J is edited out like this.

Does anyone think Michael, Marcus, and to an extent Mack look really similar to Jenni?

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9 hours ago, CaptainFunderpants said:

Does anyone else think Michael, Marcus, and to a degree Mack look really similar to Jenni?

Does anyone think Michael, Marcus, and to an extent Mack look really similar to Jenni?

I think Michael is the only M-kid Duggar looking. I suppose he looks like little Josh. 

Mack is all Anna, Marcus and Meredith  are all Anna's father. 

Hope this kids are living a quiet life now.

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