Strange new find - The Peculiar Princess More Messianic Judaism

[laPapessaGiovanna]

35 minutes ago, raised in rebellion said:

There will be no familial showdown here. 

All constructive advice is noted and appreciated. Warnings will be heeded.

Good.

I just think there are reasons if people don't usually come here to unleash the snark on their own family (and no, venting and complaining anonymously about your relatives or rl circumstances in aytfj is a completely different matter). You may be the first. 

I am (and I don't think to be the only one) very wary of when FJ gets mixed with its members real life. Experience says it doesn't end well.

45 minutes ago, raised in rebellion said:

Those are your words, not mine. I used 'strange, far out, etc.

I paraphrased with snarky purposes. If you don't feel comfortable with this sort of tone you may want to thicken your skin or rethink the idea of this thread.

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35 minutes ago, raised in rebellion said:

It was ONE day. I didn't tell 'my story'. I opted to reveal myself because people were getting some things wrong - her ancestory, for example - and because I don't feel the need to hide.

 

Not saying it straight away may give the idea you are playing us and this is another thing that doesn't usually end well.

40 minutes ago, raised in rebellion said:

Updates will most likely appear on her blog(s), and I'm guessing your message to me will be front and center if she sees it. 

The last time this exact thing happened the fall out was seismic. I feel confident in saying that none wants it to happen again. And that everyone of us will do her best to avoid it. I'll start seeing myself out of this thread, I have already said what I needed to.

Wish you wisdom and all the best

[AlwaysExcited]

2 hours ago, BobTheWalrus said:

I wonder what Deborah she is thinking of?  Because the only Deborah in the Bible I can think of was a prophetess and a judge (ie leader/ruler) of Israel, not a nurse!

There are at least two. Princess is referring to Rebecca's nurse.  She was buried in place named "oak of weeping", so some commentaries link Deborah the Judge/Prophet/Ruler with her as the later sat/lived (that is, judged) under the oak - they read Deborah the Judge as mother/nurse figure for entire Israel. A wild theory, though, as oaks just seem to be important part of Israel's life at times and show up pretty regularly in Old Testament. 

[RosaLuxcyborg]

 

Oh, and hello! Who's into chemtrails? If you guessed Princess, you're not necessarily that great at guessing, because this is her thread after all.

futuredamage.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=11

Here's a taste, with a few thoughts of my own.

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I'm no scientist,

Oh no, Princess P, don't say that. Girl, you can be anything you want to be! You healed a compound fracture with a rag and 4 buck roll of bandage. You are my everything!

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but I can tell you, as the people are being divided by accusations over fracking or chemtrails, there are detrimental things happening.  When there have been record years of drought, to the point cattle are dying and towns are out of water, to even entertain the thought of using water for any purpose beyond sustaining life, is at the very least, ridiculous.  I'm leaning more toward the use of the word, evil. 

I mean, are fracking and chemtrails really same=same? Are we maybe clumping these things together for dramatic effect? Also, are there really "accusations over fracking?" Like, we know they do it because they admit to doing it. Isn't it more of an ethics and safety debate?

Oh, and by all means please use the word "evil!" To be honest that wandering sentence just about killed my curiosity, so please do whatever it takes to get me excited for this.

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 Obviously, the love of money is the driving force behind fracking.

Oh girl, now you're speaking my language. Who's your favorite Marxist? Here's mine.  HMU, if you want to monkey wrench a pipeline. 

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I can also tell you this.  Jet's are not powered by steam engines.  Jet fuel is not made of water, so any jet emissions are chemical in nature.  Chemical emissions do not require any conspiracy of nefarious intention at all, but it is still chemicals put into our atmosphere.  

How am I supposed to believe that you are not a scientist, when you say such things? Points deducted for thinking H2O is chemical free. Points added for not buying the "government mind control" angle.

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If aerosol hair spray and deodorant put a hole in the O-Zone, then it's time time to evaluate the potential damage from all this air travel, to the future rains we hope and pray to have.

After so much junk science and fear mongering, I have to admit, you are right in the end. Ethically speaking, we should probably limit our air travel.

[raised in rebellion]

I'm thinking it best that I stick to commenting on other threads moving forward. Sorry for derailing. It just moved so fast, and I had posted that intro, not realizing no one reads there, so I thought I had better speak up sooner rather than later. 

There are plenty of fundies to go around for all of us! 

[Grimalkin]

55 minutes ago, raised in rebellion said:

I'm thinking it best that I stick to commenting on other threads moving forward. Sorry for derailing. It just moved so fast, and I had posted that intro, not realizing no one reads there, so I thought I had better speak up sooner rather than later. 

There are plenty of fundies to go around for all of us! 

I hope you do stay and enjoy our threads.

[Rachel333]

I worked at a Messianic Judaism conference this summer. One thing that surprised me was how many people were ethnically Jewish and came from Judaism first, as opposed to the Christian fundies who decided to add a Jewish flair to their religious practices , which are the type of Messianic Jews I had previously encountered. There definitely were some of those, don't get me wrong, and they tended to be the ones with some really strange beliefs, but I'd say a majority of the people there (3000+ attendees, and since I worked in registration I did see almost everyone) were ethnically Jewish. There was also a large (a few hundred people) group of Israelis, some of whom didn't even speak English.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience and I was surprised at how normal most people seemed.

[Howl]

2 hours ago, RosaLuxcyborg said:

Also, are there really "accusations over fracking?" Like, we know they do it because they admit to doing it. Isn't it more of an ethics and safety debate?

Fracking has so many negative elements, it's hard to know where to start.  First, each company's fracking recipe is proprietary, so nobody knows exactly what's being pumped into the earth.  Both fracking and salt water injection wells are associated with earthquakes in Texas and Oklahoma.  

CNN Money: 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/investing/earthquakes-fracking-usgs-oil-gas/

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Despite environmental concerns over contaminated water and earthquakes, fracking activity has skyrocketed. The U.S. had 300,000 fracking wells last year, up from just 23,000 in 2000, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Seismic activity is also on the rise in certain energy-intensive states after a relatively stable period of about 30 years. Earthquake rates have "recently increased markedly" in multiple areas of the Central and Eastern U.S., especially since 2010, the report said. Its 2014 model of seismic risks did not consider man-made quakes.

The agency said several damaging quakes have occurred recently near injection wells. For instance, a magnitude 5.6-earthquake caused minor injuries and damage to homes in 2011 near Prague, Oklahoma. Other tremors in these fracking regions include a 5.3-magnitude quake near Trinidad, Colorado in 2011 and a 4.8-magnitude quake near Timpson, Texas in 2012.

 

 

[Lizzybet]

On September 17, 2016 at 2:53 PM, RosaLuxcyborg said:

Have you been to the message board? Pretty sparse, but the make believe Judaism is on full display here. Fundy values with a really poor understanding of Jewish life and culture. 

assembling.forumchitchat.com/

From topic "Second Coming moved..." My commentary in bold.

 

Best ever response. To anything. 

[justwatching]

I was so confused, and then found OPs post in the welcome/introduction thread. Her posts make much more sense after reading it, so I thought I'd point it out in case others hadn't seen it.

O/P I'm so sorry to hear you had a difficult childhood. It sounds like you're making a good life for yourself now.
 

[lawfulevil]

She does occasionally hit on something that's actually scientifically provable to be bad, but mostly because she thinks EVERYTHING is terrible, so something she hates had to actually be bad eventually. Rarely for the reason she thinks it's bad.

She's usually "not even wrong", though.

[RosaLuxcyborg]

Just now, lawfulevil said:

She does occasionally hit on something that's actually scientifically provable to be bad, but mostly because she thinks EVERYTHING is terrible, so something she hates had to actually be bad eventually. Rarely for the reason she thinks it's bad.

She's usually "not even wrong", though.

She should start ANOTHER blog devoted to the things she approves of wholeheartedly. Might be easier for us laypeople.

[lawfulevil]

Just now, RosaLuxcyborg said:

She should start ANOTHER blog devoted to the things she approves of wholeheartedly. Might be easier for us laypeople.

Seems like it'll be a real short blog too.

[raised in rebellion]

I didn't have a bad childhood. I mean, it was strange, but not bad. I was loved. She was running from gathardism, so she 'raised me in rebellion', cos she knew she didn't want to be like that. 

It wasn't until I grew up that she changed...well, everything. The pain I referred to is more sadness over not getting to be an adult with the cool lady who raised me, and that my kids don't know that chic. And that she paints me in a negative light, of course...

When I became a mother, I wanted mine. The one who raised me. Instead, I got this lady! 

So much for not posting on this thread. It's hard to not correct personal misinformation! 

[THERetroGamerNY]

@raised in rebellion, you're fine. I get it. Religious abuse survivor myself, Gothard and all. Oh, and cray-cray mother to boot.

I get it. :/

[BobTheWalrus]

11 hours ago, AlwaysExcited said:

There are at least two. Princess is referring to Rebecca's nurse.  She was buried in place named "oak of weeping", so some commentaries link Deborah the Judge/Prophet/Ruler with her as the later sat/lived (that is, judged) under the oak - they read Deborah the Judge as mother/nurse figure for entire Israel. A wild theory, though, as oaks just seem to be important part of Israel's life at times and show up pretty regularly in Old Testament. 

Ah okay, I'd completely missed that she was called Deborah. Thanks!

[Howl]

I would like to give props to the Princess for successfully walking the homesteading walk and doing the hard work of subsistence gardening, raising animals and generally being productive.   I suspect this is what keeps her sufficiently grounded to be able to function.  

To Raised in Rebellion:  I'm glad you found your way here. I found nothing objectionable in any of your posts; thank you for sharing and clarifying your story. I find it fascinating.

 Welcome to fj and I hope you'll continue to share your unique history and perspective on things.  

[raised in rebellion]

2 hours ago, Howl said:

I would like to give props to the Princess for successfully walking the homesteading walk and doing the hard work of subsistence gardening, raising animals and generally being productive.   I suspect this is what keeps her sufficiently grounded to be able to function.  

To Raised in Rebellion:  I'm glad you found your way here. I found nothing objectionable in any of your posts; thank you for sharing and clarifying your story. I find it fascinating.

 Welcome to fj and I hope you'll continue to share your unique history and perspective on things.  

Thank you so much for the many welcomes I have recieved. They far outweigh the few negative responses, and I'm glad to see only one person thinks I suffer severe mental health issues. She'll include me in her prayer chain, I'm sure.  Lol.

The Princess has a fascinating viewpoint on a wide topic of subjects, and she posts said views in so.many.places! It's a virtual smorgasbord of fodder!

As it was stated by an administrator that I hadn't broken any rules, and stated by me initially that I certainly wouldn't, I'm not sure why I got a stern warning. I guess there are a lot of weirdos out there, though, and better to warn, just in case?

At any rate, she is a work horse, and always has been. I admire her accomplishments, and loathe her belief system. And I don't see anything wrong with stating that! Actually, I think it's shittier(?) to talk smack on loved ones anonymously! - which, as you point out, I haven't even done! Although I have been misquoted. Paraphrasing is different than quoting, and I'm in very good company with other "thin-skinned" people who understand how dangerous misquoting can be. See what I did there?

On topic, I'm interested to see what the Princess will be tackling next! And I agree that her industrious spirit keeps her trucking along.

 

[lilah]

19 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

I worked at a Messianic Judaism conference this summer. One thing that surprised me was how many people were ethnically Jewish and came from Judaism first, as opposed to the Christian fundies who decided to add a Jewish flair to their religious practices , which are the type of Messianic Jews I had previously encountered. There definitely were some of those, don't get me wrong, and they tended to be the ones with some really strange beliefs, but I'd say a majority of the people there (3000+ attendees, and since I worked in registration I did see almost everyone) were ethnically Jewish. There was also a large (a few hundred people) group of Israelis, some of whom didn't even speak English.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience and I was surprised at how normal most people seemed.

Interesting

My impression of Messanic Judaism was the opposite. Granted most of the fundies who got into Messanic Judiasm kind of toyed with the ideas for a while and then abandoned it. I'm thinking of Candy, LIna,  AnnaMatrix (the one who thought the world was going to end every 6 months), Mountain Mama. They all seemed to really like the strict legalism of orthodox Judaism and the moral superiority of being better than other sheeple. 

 

ETA: found Anna's new blog and I think she's still a messanic Jew? Hmm

[nelliebelle1197]

On 9/17/2016 at 2:11 PM, mango_fandango said:

What sane person thinks "ooh, I've got some kind of viral infection, lemme go to a back specialist who'll manipulate my neck and spine"??? If I had back/neck problems, I'd consider going to one. I know I've said this before on FJ, but it utterly baffles me that when Erika Shupe's son Riley gouged out his palate with a dowelling rod, she went to a fucking CHIROPRACTOR rather than the ER. Fucking NO. Having looked up a bit about chiropractors a lot of them seem to peddle woo-y crap. Yeah, I am so gonna entrust my and my kids' health to someone like that. (/endsarcasm)

Didn't Zsucifer take the new Anderson to get adjusted instead of getting proper pediatric care?

[raised in rebellion]

1 hour ago, lilah said:

My impression of Messanic Judaism was the opposite. Granted most of the fundies who got into Messanic Judiasm kind of toyed with the ideas for a while and then abandoned it.

They all seemed to really like the strict legalism of orthodox Judaism and the moral superiority of being better than other sheeple. 

I think many abandon it because it is too legalistic for even IFB to stick with! They like the structure at 1st, and who doesn't love being superior to others?! But, then...all of those rules, and mostly, they just want to hate The Gays and Librels, and claim they're jesusing right. But those churches do exist. They are Baptist, as far as I am concerned. Phelps and PP Baptist! 

My experience fellowshipping at Messianic synogogue was that the adherents tend to be conservative evangelicals who enjoy the the rituals, whether they are Jews for Jesus or Christian converts. And they do have to convert. They are a bit holy-rollery. Secular Jew + the Good News = Completed Jew.

So there are definitely 2 denominations. And probably everything in between! 

[mango_fandango]

10 minutes ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

Didn't Zsucifer take the new Anderson to get adjusted instead of getting proper pediatric care?

Yep. I'm not surprised, to be honest. For all Erika's wackiness, she's nowhere near Zsucifer's level. Zsu and Pisser occupy a pedestal all their own.

[nelliebelle1197]

On 9/19/2016 at 0:30 PM, raised in rebellion said:

 

Off topic humor is my favorite. 

When it comes to appropriate vs inappropriate, obviously my radar is broken. However, the whole situation is so strange, I'd rather laugh than cry! 

Don't get me wrong, I love the lady. I just don't understand her. 

You do understand we are not here to provide healing, succor and understanding for you or your relationship with your mom, correct?  I think it is pretty disingenuous to post this without a preface that this is your mom. People are posting their opinions of her unfettered and now you have shifted the conversation to something that can easily embarrass every single poster who criticized her!

It is deceptive and feels like a lie.

[raised in rebellion]

16 minutes ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

Didn't Zsucifer take the new Anderson to get adjusted instead of getting proper pediatric care?

Wha??? That can't be right. Surely they know they should have starved and beat his ailment out of him! Chiropractors? What's next?! Chinese medicine and yoga?!

I don't understand why chiropractic care is so revered among fundies! 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

4 hours ago, raised in rebellion said:

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As it was stated by an administrator that I hadn't broken any rules, and stated by me initially that I certainly wouldn't, I'm not sure why I got a stern warning. I guess there are a lot of weirdos out there, though, and better to warn, just in case?

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I saw a post by an admin that was neither stern nor a warning.  It was a pretty warm and friendly heads up about what can (and often does) break bad in these types of threads so you can avoid the problem.  

Those of us who have lived through forum nightmares which started from similar beginnings are vigilant about making sure people have the information they need so things stay peaceful.  And I'm by no means only referring to admins or helpmeets...people here are generally pretty helpful and I'm a little taken aback to see what I read as a kindness characterized as a stern warning.

 

 

 

[raised in rebellion]

41 minutes ago, nelliebelle1197 said:

You do understand we are not here to provide healing, succor and understanding for you or your relationship with your mom, correct?  I think it is pretty disingenuous to post this without a preface that this is your mom. People are posting their opinions of her unfettered and now you have shifted the conversation to something that can easily embarrass every single poster who criticized her!

It is deceptive and feels like a lie.

I don't have a relationship with her. And if that's the case, then administration probably should have warned me when I signed up for the account with the express purpose of starting a thread, to remain anonymous. But they didn't.

Y'all are the ones that need to get your fans and prayer shawls out. So sorry I waited one day. My very 1st post stated I was working on an intro.

Why would anyone be embarrassed to criticize her beliefs? Or anyone elses? 

Do you think other fundy kids don't read here? 

I really don't understand the bees in bonnets.