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On 4/11/2022 at 6:26 PM, CaseyGrace said:

This may be a stretch but I think doug may have threatened/applied pressure to Aengels mother, who still attends the church and owns a coffee shop that is very popular with kirkers. But I guess its also plausible that aengel may want to move on. They seem like a very positive and goodhearted person in spite of what they have been through.

Or, possibly, part of an agreement with a financial settlement. 

Who knows.

I am all for victims seeking healing however they need to heal, but I agree with @Howl and not taking this journey with her. It discounts all the other people hurt in the process and ignores the fact that there will be more victims. None of that is her problem, for sure.

As individual path: more power to her. As a collective path: barf.

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If ol’Dougie doesn’t roll out his “anyone could have planted that on his computer!!1!” line I’ll eat my shoes. 

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Who could have predicted this? 🤬

And still some people will triple down and defend the leaders and this warped dangerous community. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, neuroticcat said:

Who could have predicted this? 🤬

And still some people will triple down and defend the leaders and this warped dangerous community. 
 

 

I’m sure Doug’s busy dusting off that old letter he used to get Steven Sitler out of jail. 

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So Sitler, Jaimin Wright, and now this guy, deacon Alex Lloyd -- all of them have been charged  with or convicted of sexual abuse of minors. Arenʻt there others --  godly fathers of the Kirk -- who have also allegedly molested students at the school or church? Clearly, sexual predators and pedophiles have found a safe haven at the CREC.

And, yes, Iʻm sure youʻre all correct and Doug Wilson will defend this man as heʻs done the others.

 

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7 minutes ago, Columbia said:

Also James Nance, Kirk Elder and a former teacher at the Logos School who groomed and assaulted a student . 

Thank you - couldn't remember their names. 

What will it take to have a major LE investigation into that cult?

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1 hour ago, hoipolloi said:

Thank you - couldn't remember their names. 

What will it take to have a major LE investigation into that cult?

At this point I  have to think any local LE (if there are any who are not members of the ”Kirk”) would have their eyes on them. 

And…just….…the fact that they rather preciously and importantly have opted for”Kirk”… is so cringe. It feels like church cosplay or something.

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2 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Thank you - couldn't remember their names. 

What will it take to have a major LE investigation into that cult?

Just to clarify, the post you were responding to was about just one person -- Jim Nance was a former teacher at Logos and also was a "kirk" elder and he groomed and assaulted a student. 

Is there anyone else we haven't mentioned yet? I have a vague feeling I'm forgetting someone but maybe not.

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8 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

So Sitler, Jaimin Wright, and now this guy, deacon Alex Lloyd -- all of them have been charged  with or convicted of sexual abuse of minors. Arenʻt there others --  godly fathers of the Kirk -- who have also allegedly molested students at the school or church? 

Holders of institutional memory of all things Kirk and Moscow, ID. 

There was a guy, fairly high profile in the church, teacher in one of the schools, who was "disappeared," sent to a metaphorical Siberia or something.   He was fired, apparently, and erased from the institutional memory of the church, even though near retirement.  His wife also worked for the church. 

There was speculation at the time that there was some type of sexual impropriety or inappropriate something, but no one could pin down what it was he'd done to merit that kind of response. 

 

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I’m sure there’s a fair amount of domestic abuse. You can’t hear about how men are meant to conquer, you can’t listen to someone talk about women like Doug does without that eating into your psyche. 

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Moscowid.net is a repository for both documents and speciation on Kirk misbehavior. 

Meantime, don't forget that Jamin Wight went on to terrorize a fiance and strangle a wife, and somewhere in that period the church sponsored him to go to Haiti on a mission trip.

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12 hours ago, libriatrix said:

Is there anyone else we haven't mentioned yet? I have a vague feeling I'm forgetting someone but maybe not.

I donʻt know but like @Howl I had the impression that there were more. AFAIK, none of these cases made it into the legal system -- they were "handled" internally.

 

2 hours ago, older than allosaurs said:

Moscowid.net is a repository for both documents and speciation on Kirk misbehavior. 

Thanks. Forgot about that site. Wish they were able to update it more regularly.

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8 hours ago, Columbia said:

I’m sure there’s a fair amount of domestic abuse. You can’t hear about how men are meant to conquer, you can’t listen to someone talk about women like Doug does without that eating into your psyche. 

Or indeed that you need to discipline your wife if she doesn't keep the home as clean as you'd like it.

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9 hours ago, Howl said:

Holders of institutional memory of all things Kirk and Moscow, ID. 

There was a guy, fairly high profile in the church, teacher in one of the schools, who was "disappeared," sent to a metaphorical Siberia or something.   He was fired, apparently, and erased from the institutional memory of the church, even though near retirement.  His wife also worked for the church. 

There was speculation at the time that there was some type of sexual impropriety or inappropriate something, but no one could pin down what it was he'd done to merit that kind of response. 

 

Are you talking about roy atwood, former New Saint Andrews college president. Yeah I felt like the weirdest thing about that is that he has quite a prolific career before NSAC, he previously was the head of a department at the university of idaho and actually taught sarah palin when she was in undergrad, and for whatever reason the only jobs he could get after nsa was at a random unaccredited school in the midwest. He and NSAs former vp left in the middle of the school year and were quickly replaced by Doug's son in law.  I love to know more about this because there is definitely is so much behind the scenes......

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20 hours ago, CaseyGrace said:

Are you talking about roy atwood, former New Saint Andrews college president.

Yes, thanks so much!  

Moscow ID discusses his precipitous fall from grace in at least two posts: 

One Year Ago: When Dr. Roy Atwood quit New Saint Andrews College  has the text of the New Saint Andrews letter announcing Atwood's resignation. 

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A snippet from Ode to Roy begins  "I missed this anniversary but it's too important to let slide: On December 1, 2014, Dr. Roy Atwood unceremoniously resigned as President of New St. Andrews College. This happened in the middle of a Monday morning, in the middle of a semester, in the middle of a school year, just three weeks before Christmas, after holding the position for 20 years."

And the comments on the CREC Memes post Dropping like flies are definitely worth a read.  There's a Doug Wilson leg humper chiming in, a student who had a simply FABULOUS experience at New Saint Andrews, someone claiming it was a planned exit and some more critical voices and someone posting as Hooper Brown had this to say: 

The outing of former New Saint Andrews College President Roy Atwood continues with new, vituperative gusto.

The original announcement of Atwood’s sudden departure near before the end of the last term and very charitably before Christmas contained the following not-so-subtle language:

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“At the same time, a resignation mid-year is not a trifle. Because of other recent administrative staff changes, the Board felt it needed to advance its timetable for appointing a new chief executive prior to Roy’s planned retirement at age 67. Unfortunately, because Roy is 62 and not yet in a position financially to retire at this time, he thought it best to resign, allowing the board to seek new leadership while he pursues other employment opportunities.”

A careful reading of shows that this paragraph is a savage, malicious knee to Atwood’s groin. In other words: “We’re kicking Atwood’s sorry ass out now before the end of the term and before Christmas, and although he planned to stay until he retired and can’t afford to retire, let him eat cake now – it serves him right for crossing Douglas Wilson. And although we claim that he will continuing teaching at NSA, get this: ‘while he pursues other employment opportunities’ — he’ll be very quickly gone from New Saint Andrews and our memories.”

But not content now with just firing Atwood unceremoniously and at an age which makes finding another position very difficult just not in Moscow, Idaho, but anywhere, his torture continues. He is now the subject of a very, very vicious whispering campaign allegedly covertly originating from members in the upper hierarchy of Douglas Wilson’s Emirate.

Atwood must have really pissed off the egomaniacally intolerant Wilson (who calls all the shots). In the age of the internet there is no such thing as local gossip. Emails, IMs, and other private messages accelerate and transform local whispering campaigns into global epidemics. Sooner or later some of this vicious material (whether true or not) will find its way into some open website and be picked up by search engines. An understatement: this will not help Atwood’s job search.

What a wonderful bunch of Christians!

LinkedIn for Roy Alden Atwood


 

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On 4/30/2022 at 11:18 AM, older than allosaurs said:

Meantime, don't forget that Jamin Wight went on to terrorize a fiance and strangle a wife

Strangling/choking = huge red flag warning for future homicidal actions in a domestic violence relationship. 

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Hey! Guess what? Douglas Wilson has been hanging around yet another person with immoral, illegal & revolting proclivities toward children:

https://julieroys.com/deacon-doug-wilson-church-indicted-possession-child-pornography/
 

This time it’s a deacon. And guess who still has the full support of his church, despite (eventually) losing his deacon position?

Hope you were all sitting down for this. So shocking that Doug Wilson, pedophile enabler, would be caught so close yet again to another pedophile. 

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3 hours ago, apandaaries said:

Hey! Guess what? Douglas Wilson has been hanging around yet another person with immoral, illegal & revolting proclivities toward children:

https://julieroys.com/deacon-doug-wilson-church-indicted-possession-child-pornography/
 

This time it’s a deacon. And guess who still has the full support of his church, despite (eventually) losing his deacon position?

Hope you were all sitting down for this. So shocking that Doug Wilson, pedophile enabler, would be caught so close yet again to another pedophile. 

How the absolute FUCK are Dougie and his church entitled to “extend forgiveness” to this perv? He didn’t hurt *them*—he exploited the children in the CSM he consumed. I pray this didn’t extend to children he’s had real-life contact with.

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9 hours ago, Hane said:

How the absolute FUCK are Dougie and his church entitled to “extend forgiveness” to this perv?

It's a dynamic created by DW to control his flock, instructing them to mindlessly forgive the most heinous of offenses committed by a man in the church hierarchy,  with the understanding that the ultimate, unforgivable sin is insulting or disobeying DW's edicts.  He has ultimate power and many, many ways to punish people. 

I watched part of a video of Doug interviewing his wife Nancy about how she counsels women in the church.  He comes across as gentle, avuncular, kind.  It may be a real aspect of his personality, but it's only one aspect.  I keep returning to the term "Machiavellian" to describe this man, and I think it's accurate. 

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You want this to get even worse?  Here's Doug's apologism a few years back for CSAM:

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/dirty-omniscience.html

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We must begin with the assumption that digital condemnation of any man should be out of court. Digital information is highly susceptible to manipulation, and digital information is highly portable. I believe that we should begin the fight to outlaw all such information in court, and we should lead by courteously disbelieving any report made against anyone on the basis of what somebody “found on their computer.”

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Cor. 2:15–16).

In the old days, if the cops found a warrant for a man’s arrest, and they showed up at his house, and they found the basement full of child porn magazines, this was a scenario in which the biblical standards of evidence could be met (multiple witnesses, etc.). But if the agents cart off his computer, and then late that night down at the station, they “find” child porn, there are too many problems. Was the porn actually there (as it often is), so guilty as charged? Was it placed on the computer via a thumb drive after the arrest? Was it planted on the computer by that man’s enemy before he placed the phone call that led to the request for the warrant?

As a corollary, we should also be extremely skeptical about claims and accusations made on the basis of this kind of thing. This is not because such charges couldn’t be true. They frequently are true. But rather I say this because the common man’s ability to protect himself against framing allegations has not yet caught up with a malevolent person’s ability to accuse.

 

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“Courteously disbelieve” digital evidence? Dougie seems to misunderstand two major facts: that physical evidence can be planted, and that forensic digital investigation is a thing.

I courteously suggest that Dougie stick it where the sun don’t shine.

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...this was a scenario in which the biblical standards of evidence could be met (multiple witnesses, etc.)

This sly (wordsmithy) insertion of "biblical" standards + multiple witnesses, I can't even with his idiocy.  

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But rather I say this because the common man’s ability to protect himself against framing allegations has not yet caught up with a malevolent person’s ability to accuse.

The theme of a "good" man being set up, especially by a woman who lies about assault and rape, is quite a common thread in Doug Wilson's personal fever swamp.  

Forensic analysis of digital devices is a sophisticated science and with good reason.  DW wants you to believe it isn't. Or he pre-emptively wants you to believe it isn't when plainly incriminating evidence is found at some point on a pass-word protected digital device belonging to him, someone in his family, one of the Kirk hierarchy,  yada yada. 

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While that official statement from Christ Church may be the least unhinged thing I’ve ever seen Doug produce, it doesn’t say anything about whether the Kirk is getting any help for his wife and kids, or providing them with a safe place away from the deacon, or doing any kind of investigation to see if he hurt any children in the church. Not that I imagine they’d handle this any better than all the previous child molesters. 
 

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“At the same time, there are terrible real world consequences for his family, as well as for him, and we regard this entire tragic episode as one more casualty in the unconscionable pornification of our culture.”

That is rich, coming from a man who talks about women he doesn’t like like someone with pretty permanent porn brain. Also concerning that he doesn’t see the difference between looking at pictures of a grown woman versus a child under 12 years old. 

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I’m not accusing Doug Wilson of being a pedophile but if I were I would expect a pedophile would want anything remotely related to it - including csam - to be “courteously disbelieved” in order to avoid prosecution. 

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