More Info on Doug Wilson, Pedophile Enabler

[Howl]

Nate is simply being overt in the Wilson's Christofascist orientation. The subtext of white nationalism has always been there. 

It is 100% on brand for Doug Wilson (now Nate) to say the outrageous out loud, then try to put lipstick on that particular pig by accusing detractors of being insufficiently erudite to grok the magnificence of the Wilsons' wordsmithy blather.  It's all keyboard warrior crap. 

I'd be curious if any of the CREC flock was charged for actions on Jan. 6 at the US Capitol. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Howl

[hoipolloi]

4 hours ago, stylites said:

Yes - and he gets mainstream money via things like the Hello Ninja series.

Nate - "N.D." - Wilson is totally on board with his vile father.

He's probably in line to run the cult when Doug kicks the bucket.

[bea]

Doug’s bootlicking sycophants have found the “Examining Doug Wilson” FB page and are going
b o n k e r s
about having their God-Daddy criticized. How dare anybody say anything about Doug without letting him and everyone that follows him know their name, address, and telephone number?

It is truly astonishing how fragile these people’s feelings are. Considering that they are slavishly devoted to somebody who runs around and insults anyone with even a slightly different opinion, it’s kind of shocking that they have such thin skins themselves.
Then again, this is the same crowd that has been screaming “f*ck your feelings” at anybody who disagreed with them, and is now whining that their feelings are being hurt by being told they need to wear a mask, so whatever. What a crowd of jackasses.

[Howl]

Bnonn Tennant, one of the It's Good to Be a Man wankers, wants to make sure EVERYONE knows that he STRONGLY opposes marital corporal punishment.  I oppose marital corporal punishment

Let's examine some key points

• A woman who is being physically disciplined by her husband has warrant from Scripture to appeal to the church and the state for justice. They are obliged to investigate the matter, to protect her, and to punish him on the evidence of two or three witnesses. (A fortiori, the same is true of any woman or man being physically hurt by their spouse in other ways.)

A few takeaways here: He obviously does not believe that a woman's word that she is being abused (physically disciplined) is sufficient evidence of abuse.  There have to be corroborating witnesses!  Also, when he uses the term "physically disciplines" there's an implication of legitimate corrective action wrongly applied rather than the guy using his wife as a punching bag. 

• Anyone who is suffering wrongfully because of subjection has warrant from Scripture to endure that suffering for the sake of the person over them, and are commended for imitating the Lord Jesus in doing so. This includes wives (1 Peter 2–3).

Suffering is redemptive!  So hang in there, ladies, because submitting to abuse is good for you AND your abuser.  Win win! 

And divorce? 

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There are many wives and husbands who feel trapped in a difficult and truly abusive marriage; yet those difficult marriages are worth fighting for—ecclesiastically and judicially if necessary—rather than simply dissolving.

In summary, he doesn't believe in "physical discipline", but suffering and abuse are AOK. I don't have words for how toxic this is for women. 

[Sarcastically spinster]

13 hours ago, Howl said:

Bnonn Tennant, one of the It's Good to Be a Man wankers, wants to make sure EVERYONE knows that he STRONGLY opposes marital corporal punishment.  I oppose marital corporal punishment

Bnonn was also excommunicated from his church over his beliefs and his conduct, and proceeded to go whine on the internet about spiritual abuse.  

Doug's fanboys like to say that if you have a problem with people like this you should take it to their church to deal with (Matthew 18), rather than criticise their views on the internet.  Well, here's a case of someone who was excommunicated with due process over these exact issues, and do they renounce him because of it?  Nope.  They still find a way to be a-OK with him.  

[Howl]

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Bnonn Tennant: Anyone who is suffering wrongfully because of subjection has warrant from Scripture to endure that suffering for the sake of the person over them, and are commended for imitating the Lord Jesus in doing so. This includes wives (1 Peter 2–3).

I just looked up 1 Peter, 2-3 and I'm at a loss as to how it can be interpreted as pointing to submitting to abuse. 

1 Peter 2:1–3 — King James Version (KJV 1900)

1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

Biblia's page gives all of the English translations of this verse. They are all similar. 

Was Tennant thinking of another Bible verse? 

[Sarcastically spinster]

21 minutes ago, Howl said:

Was Tennant thinking of another Bible verse? 

He's saying the entirety of chapters 2 and 3.  That includes instructions on submitting to authorities (except mask mandates apparently).  

[Howl]

48 minutes ago, Sarcastically spinster said:

He's saying the entirety of chapters 2 and 3.  That includes instructions on submitting to authorities (except mask mandates apparently).  

Thanks for this clarification!  I'm not familiar with Bible citations.

What's your take on Bnonn's take? Would you agree with his interpretation of these chapters?

[Sarcastically spinster]

10 minutes ago, Howl said:

What's your take on Bnonn's take? Would you agree with his interpretation of these chapters?

Nope.  It's a common way that they get twisted to justify telling people to stay with abusive spouses.  I don't have time at the moment but I'll try to come back with a more in-depth response later on.  

[CaseyGrace]

Natalie greenfield just posted this on her public facebook page. In glad they are finding healing and moving forward and I wish them the best in there future. At the same time, i am worried that Doug is going to use this to vindicate himself and act like he did absolutely nothing wrong. When in reality he did do a lot of things that were wrong. 

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Edited April 11, 2022 by CaseyGrace
Forgot to add a spoiler I apologize!

[hoipolloi]

30 minutes ago, CaseyGrace said:

Natalie greenfield just posted this on her public facebook page. In glad they are finding healing and moving forward and I wish them the best in there future. At the same time, i am worried that Doug is going to use this to vindicate himself and act like he did absolutely nothing wrong. When in reality he did do a lot of things that were wrong. 

This is sad to read but I understand where she's coming from. I hope she has truly found healing and a good life. 

I also agree that Doug Wilson will absolutely cite this as vindication. 

[Howl]

5 hours ago, CaseyGrace said:

At the same time, i am worried that Doug is going to use this to vindicate himself and act like he did absolutely nothing wrong. When in reality he did do a lot of things that were wrong. 

I find this stunning.  Doug Wilson did a LOT wrong, and a lot of that crossed a LOT of personal boundaries, including asking Natalie profoundly inappropriate and invasive questions about her sexuality and abuse,  getting access to her personal diary, screwing over her father and his business and protecting her abuser.  Doug Wilson is an abusive patriarch who  has gotten no better over time and possibly a lot worse. I appreciate that she has taken this step in her personal healing journey relative to Doug Wilson,  but I'm not taking it with her. 

Edited April 12, 2022 by Howl

[Columbia]

Something about this seems super sketchy. 

[hoipolloi]

44 minutes ago, Columbia said:

Something about this seems super sketchy. 

It does. She has deleted her longtime blog. The Examining Moscow FB page posted this:

ETA: Natalie commented:

Edited April 12, 2022 by hoipolloi

[CaseyGrace]

43 minutes ago, Columbia said:

Something about this seems super sketchy. 

This may be a stretch but I think doug may have threatened/applied pressure to Aengels mother, who still attends the church and owns a coffee shop that is very popular with kirkers. But I guess its also plausible that aengel may want to move on. They seem like a very positive and goodhearted person in spite of what they have been through.

[CaseyGrace]

This actually really bothers me because kirkers/doug love to male themselves look like the perfect innocent godly victims especially in situations they instigate, this is just another opportunity to do that. I wish aengel the best but i am hurt. This would have been a great opportunity for doug to apologize and pledge to do better. But I understand he is too arrogant to do that

[Howl]

2 minutes ago, CaseyGrace said:

This would have been a great opportunity for doug to apologize and pledge to do better. But I understand he is too arrogant to do that

Being a patriarch means never having to say you're sorry. 

[Howl]

17 minutes ago, CaseyGrace said:

This may be a stretch but I think doug may have threatened/applied pressure to Angel's mother, who still attends the church and owns a coffee shop that is very popular with kirkers.

The coffee shop/restaurant, in an excellent downtown location, was originally run by Natalie/AEngel's father and was quite successful with both kirkers and townspeople. 

Another sad chapter in this entire fluster cluck was that her parents got divorced -- I can't quite recall the details but IIRC the father turned against Wilson for obvious reasons but the mom stayed in the congregation.  If the mother is now running the restaurant/coffee shop that means the dad lost it in the divorce.  Those with a better institutional memory can help me out here. 

[Columbia]

40 minutes ago, CaseyGrace said:

This may be a stretch but I think doug may have threatened/applied pressure to Aengels mother, who still attends the church and owns a coffee shop that is very popular with kirkers. But I guess its also plausible that aengel may want to move on. They seem like a very positive and goodhearted person in spite of what they have been through.

I wondered if there was pressure from someone in the Kirk. I don’t doubt that their members would not have a problem about harassing an assault victim. 

[CaseyGrace]

 

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This is a screenshot from a doug wilson supporters twitter. They are already spinning this in their favor. I didn't take anything natalie said as "admitting to lying"

[gracegrace]

You can see everything you need to know right in front of our eyes. Aengel says she wants to heal and is doing this for herself. The Examining Moscow folks respond with grace. And Kirk advocates are (falsely) saying she has admitted she lied. 
 

I wish nothing but healing and wholeness for her. Jamin Wright abused girls and women and lied about it. Doug Wilson has never ever been able to say clearly “I was wrong. I was wrong about Jamin, he manipulated me. And I was wrong to threaten Natalie with her old journals years later.” For someone who preaches a lot about sin, he sure is bad at repentance.

But that’s Doug W. He is not so secretly convinced that he’s smarter than everyone else. 

 

[Howl]

5 hours ago, gracegrace said:

But that’s Doug W. He is not so secretly convinced that he’s smarter than everyone else. 

That and publicly parading a blatant element of vicarious or direct sexual deviance (or both).  He's totally vested in the total sexual subjugation of women and their submission to the men in his congregation.  

He blogs about women's breasts and bodies and shits relentlessly on women who aren't sexually invested in men.  He wrote an entire book premised on the destruction of a female sex droid. 

He supported (and helped avoid decades in prison) a pedophile who molested dozens of children in his own damn congregation and then sent that same pedophile to molest the children of a fellow pastor. 

He protected AEngel/Natalie's abuser. 

There's absolutely zero compassion or decency in this man. 

[Columbia]

Don’t forget that he’s already got his defense ready for when something horrible is found on his computer. He’s been grooming his followers to downplay pedophilia for years. 

[Howl]

9 minutes ago, Columbia said:

Don’t forget that he’s already got his defense ready for when something horrible is found on his computer. He’s been grooming his followers to downplay pedophilia for years. 

Yup, classic Wilson wordsmith-y bullshit, full of blah blah blah and signifying nothing:  "But rather I say this because the common man's ability to protect himself against framing allegations has not yet caught up with a malevolent person's ability to accuse." 

So here's the deal.  There are specialists who do forensic examinations of digital devices who can easily tell when images were transferred and from what source.  Josh Duggar can clarify for Wilson how this works. 

And get this! They can also often track down the source of a phone call! 

 

 

 

[libriatrix]

On 4/11/2022 at 6:54 PM, Howl said:

The coffee shop/restaurant, in an excellent downtown location, was originally run by Natalie/AEngel's father and was quite successful with both kirkers and townspeople. 

Another sad chapter in this entire fluster cluck was that her parents got divorced -- I can't quite recall the details but IIRC the father turned against Wilson for obvious reasons but the mom stayed in the congregation.  If the mother is now running the restaurant/coffee shop that means the dad lost it in the divorce.  Those with a better institutional memory can help me out here. 

That's a pretty accurate summary as far as I recall. The mom has been running the coffeeshop for decades, since the divorce afaik, and the last I heard of the dad he had moved to Coeur d'Alene and converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Aengel has always maintained a relationship with her mom and her mom has always maintained a relationship with Christ Church, which I always found baffling. 

 

I completely understand why people would find Aengel's statement of forgiveness and apology sketchy. But having followed her on Facebook and watching her journey of healing, I think this is completely in line with the way she has been thinking for years and I don't think anyone pressured her into anything. I really respect her for being able to forgive without receiving anything back. I think it's really unfortunate that since Doug Wilson is a MUCH smaller person than her, he will never do the same and everyone will use her statement as justification for him. But I think Aengel shouldn't have to sacrifice her healing just because bad actors are going to use it against others. She's not responsible for how people misuse her forgiveness.