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1 hour ago, Howl said:

Hmmmmm and what might be found on a man o' God's  computer/cell phone?  Off the top of my head:  Porn, child porn, evidence of adultery, evidence of financial malfeasance and so forth. 

 

The financial malfeasance is already documented. He spent church money to pay off someone’s gambling debts about a decade ago. 
 

I think child pornography will be what finally takes him down. He’s either consuming it or covering for someone who is. The CREC can’t stop him, they tried bringing charges against him before, and he’s surrounded by family members and yes-men whose crimes he’s covered for. It’s going to be something akin to Josh Duggar, but with a lot more people insisting he’s innocent. 
 

Also, the only time I’ve ever seen someone suggesting that child pornography was planted on a computer was when James MacDonald, another YRR blowhard, was getting pushback from people looking into the financial records of his church. He threatened to plant it on the computer of Christianity Today’s editor if I remember correctly. 

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1 hour ago, Howl said:

what might be found on a man o' God's  computer/cell phone?

A very good question, and I'll bet Doug would fight tooth & nail to keep anyone from finding out what's on his devices.

Anecdotal observation, perhaps, but it's amazing how many men who publicly rail about other people's sex lives turn out to have some major secrets about their own sexual behavior. In Doug Wilson's case, I would not bet against him having committed criminal sexual abuse since we know he's aided and abetted other men in doing so.

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Hey, his response is getting some commentary on Twitter. Apparently anybody who disagrees with him is not a valid church leader.
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Doug says we’re bad people and we’re going to hell.

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16 minutes ago, bea said:

Hey, his response is getting some commentary on Twitter. Apparently anybody who disagrees with him is not a valid church leader.
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Doug says we’re bad people and we’re going to hell.

doug is not even qualified or ordained to be a minister in any denomination except the fake one he made himself...... so by what authority is he saying this? 

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1 hour ago, CaseyGrace said:

 

doug is not even qualified or ordained to be a minister in any denomination except the fake one he made himself...... so by what authority is he saying this? 

He is THE AUTHORITY. Before him there was no other, and after him there will be no other. And it’s a shame you’re too *shuffles through thesaurus* puerile to understand that.

1 hour ago, bea said:

Hey, his response is getting some commentary on Twitter. Apparently anybody who disagrees with him is not a valid church leader.
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“Time to devour them” Does Doug think all the pastors talking about this article on Twitter are eventually going to have an article written about them covering for pedophiles in their churches? This sounds like the Duggars’ “well we know lots of families with this issue.”

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10 hours ago, bea said:

Hey, his response is getting some commentary on Twitter. Apparently anybody who disagrees with him is not a valid church leader.

VERY STRONG "Touch not mine anointed!" vibe from the Wilson camp. 

Wilson can use a  kindly, avuncular veneer  to disarm people when it suits him.  Right now that mask has slipped; his histrionic response to criticism clearly shows how deeply this has gotten under his skin. Shrieking his displeasure that ANYONE could dare challenge him and condemning them forever points directly to the malignant aspect of his  malignant narcissism.  

 

 

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"If you criticize me you're a reviler and if you're a reviler you aren't saved."  

Examining Moscow on facebook called it out well.  He's setting it up to where only he and his crowd are truly Christians.  

i.e. doubling down into an actual cult with a hard divide between members and non-members.  He hasn't gone as far as saying that you aren't saved if you don't agree with him, before.  He literally just said you're going to hell if you don't repent of criticizing.  

No longer is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit the unforgivable sin.  Critiquing Wilson is the new unforgivable sin.  

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From the most recent Moscow, ID fb post: 

On my last post on the matter he simply calls the abused women in the VICE article liars. Don’t get this point wrong. Multiple first hand testimonies of abuse and mishandling of abuse (which is the Biblical standard for testimony) is just being disregarded and the women are being called liars. He doesn’t answer criticism, he only abuses his critics.

I have to wonder if this is one of those things that Wilson won't be able to come back from, because his ranting and elevating himself to a God-like level (he's a legend in his own mind!)  is so damning. But nah, he'll just keep on keeping on and his followers will follow and dig in deeper. 

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2 hours ago, Howl said:

I have to wonder if this is one of those things that Wilson won't be able to come back from, because his ranting and elevating himself to a God-like level (he's a legend in his own mind!)  is so damning. But nah, he'll just keep on keeping on and his followers will follow and dig in deeper.

Nope. He’s a wordsmith, and you’re just too dumb to understand him. If you were one of his congregation, you would be granted that special gift. It’s like the Doug Wilson version of speaking in tongues. 
 

Have any of these types ever been brought down by their own leadership in their churches? Mark Driscoll’s elders were going to place him under church discipline, but he ran before they could. DPIAT resigned from everything, so did Bills Gothard and Hybels. The only one I can think of is James MacDonald; he was actually fired while he was on his sabbatical/punishment vacation. All the rest get a chance to avoid church discipline of any kind. 

Of course, there may be the possibility that Christ Church leadership keeps Doug around because the head pastor alternative would be that much worse. Who’s up next to inherit the kingdom? ND Wilson? 

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11 minutes ago, Columbia said:

Have any of these types ever been brought down by their own leadership in their churches?

Joe Morecraft got kicked out of his own denomination.  So he went and started a new church down the road.  

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Doug Wilson is 68 years old.  He will bow out some time in the next couple of decades.  What are the chances that things then begin to fall apart?  He has a son and two sons in law involved in the business I believe.  There may be non family members who aspire to the top spot as well.  Maybe infighting will bring it down (not that that is any consolation for those involved now).

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On 10/4/2021 at 11:04 PM, bea said:

Hey, his response is getting some commentary on Twitter. Apparently anybody who disagrees with him is not a valid church leader.
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Standing back fully enjoying the irony of the last sentence which calls readers to empathize with him.  Ohhhh, delicious.

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5 hours ago, forgetmenow said:

Standing back fully enjoying the irony of the last sentence which calls readers to empathize with him.  Ohhhh, delicious.

Thanks for pointing that out.  Best. Thing. Evah! 

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11 hours ago, Foursquare said:

Maybe infighting will bring it down (not that that is any consolation for those involved now).

Maybe, but infighting might also increase the risk of everyone’s skeletons falling out of the closet. I’m sure that figuring out the succession will be messy, but there are probably a lot of people in and surrounding church leadership who need silence and know how to get it at any costs. They’ll all be forced to get along because if one is taken down the whole team goes with him. Unless, or course, there’s someone with a little honor among the Christ Church elders. 

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5 hours ago, Columbia said:

Maybe, but infighting might also increase the risk of everyone’s skeletons falling out of the closet.

Those of us who've been following the Remnant Fellowship (RF) cult, especially after the sudden death of the cult leader, Gwen Shamblin Lara, in a plane crash last May, are seeing these dynamics play out. The Doug Wilson cult is probably better organized than RF ever was and seems to have a broader base of members, properties, and related assets (e.g., the "college" and "schools"). Also, like Gwen, Doug has an iron grip on the whole thing and no doubt all those around him dance to his tune, including Nancy and N.D. 

Cults seems to be a family business so, logically, if there is a plan of succession, it probably has N.D. running the show, with family & leghumper sidekicks doing his bidding. Still, N.D. doesn't seem to be the controlling person his terrible father is so, to me, it's an open question as to how long the Wilson cult will last after Doug departs the scene.

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3 hours ago, G33kywife said:

Did the Examining Moscow FB group get taken down? 

I've been following it and I can't see it at the moment. I can see the very similar troll page Examining Examining Moscow.

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3 hours ago, G33kywife said:

Did the Examining Moscow FB group get taken down? 

Looks like itʻs gone. The Twitter account is still there.

 

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5 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Looks like itʻs gone. The Twitter account is still there.

 

Appears to be back now, I'm guessing some brigading went on to raise lots of complaints.

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Examining Doug Wilson & Moscow, Idaho fb page is going strong.  Today they ripped the scab off the suppurating sore that is the Christ Church's  “Center for Biblical [i.e., faux] Counseling” and their take is exactly like mine about a year ago. 

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"Center for Biblical Counseling” is the counseling ministry in place at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho. But there’s a dirty little secret associated with this “Biblical Counseling” ministry used by Doug Wilson and the leadership.

The “Biblical Counseling” used at Christ Church (and presumably in other CREC churches as well) is not the kind of counseling most folks think of. Meaning, a legitimate, properly credentialed counselor maintains confidentiality (among other protocols). But in the intake forms given to folks seeking counseling at Christ Church, Doug Wilson has put in the caveat that the counselor “may disclose to the church leadership” information that *they* deem important to share. This is an outrageous breach of confidentiality, and no-one should sign off on this.

Why is this such a big deal? Because Doug Wilson’s “Biblical Counseling” has the appearance of being an information gathering mechanism that produces sensitive data that could potentially be used to control, intimidate or silence folks on an as needed basis.

Here are a few comments: 

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A few years ago I completed an ACBC course and was planning to train under Mike Lawyer within the CBC. He gave me access to his calendar before I even completed my training, so I could see everyone he was actively counseling. I realize now (after seeing a licensed mental health counselor) that this was a total breach of confidentiality. I wasn't even a member of Christ Church at the time. 

and more appalling: 

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Ah. Christ Church provides counseling that is sort of confidential, maybe, and you must consent to let them record the sessions if they want to, you can't refuse to let counselors in training watch your 'confidential' counseling sessions, you must accept the disclaimer that these guys have ZERO credentials to do any counseling other than instructing and admonishing you what the Bible has to say about your sins, and you waive any rights to legal recourse if you're personally hurt by results of the sorta confidential counseling provided by uncredentialed 'counselors.'

You're agreeing that these people will never have to answer for anything you might suffer at their hands because you just signed away their accountability. What do you actually get out of this counseling that's worth you giving up all your rights in exchange for it? It sounds scary to have to turn to these people for help.

 

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3 hours ago, Howl said:

Ah. Christ Church provides counseling that is sort of confidential, maybe, and you must consent to let them record the sessions if they want to, you can't refuse to let counselors in training watch your 'confidential' counseling sessions, you must accept the disclaimer that these guys have ZERO credentials to do any counseling other than instructing and admonishing you what the Bible has to say about your sins, and you waive any rights to legal recourse if you're personally hurt by results of the sorta confidential counseling provided by uncredentialed 'counselors.'

It’s basically a secret police. It’s absolutely brilliant, in a soul-chilling kind of way. 

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1 hour ago, Columbia said:

It’s basically a secret police. It’s absolutely brilliant, in a soul-chilling kind of way. 

Yup, essential Wilson. The evil runs deep. 

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In response to the "biblical counseling" topic,  a woman describing what it takes to become a licensed professional counselor in ALABAMA.  It's expensive, time consuming and arduous. 

Thread unrolled for non Tweeps: Seeing 🧵re:biblical counseling. Just want to point out it’s not true mental health therapy.

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