Dan on a writing blog?

[Palimpsest]

 

4 hours ago, RosaLuxcyborg said:

 

IIRC they said Dna has dyslexia. But so do I, and IMHO that only explains about half of it. I think he's non-clinically unsmart, and a tad odd to boot. I am not willing or able to speculate on the nature of his oddness re: its clinical/non-clinical status

Dan himself said that he had dyslexia that wasn't diagnosed until he was adult.  He didn't get any remedial help as a child and that makes a huge difference.  I always had a soft spot for him because he had a sense of humor about his spelling difficulties.  I don't think he is unintelligent nor do I think his relative intelligence can be assessed by looking at his writing.    

Yup, this looks like a bona fide Dna sighting.  If it is him, I think his writing has actually improved but I only read one of his fetish stories.   I don't think I can take any more.  

The last I remember about Emily and Dan was that they were almost certainly separated or divorced.  Dan may have custody the older 5 boys (Little Dan, Bobby, Tommy, Edmond and Yosef.) The youngest (John McArthur) may still be with Emily.   I wonder who got custody of Brad the bathroom dog.

Emily went atheist for a bit but then started working for a church.  She seems to be private everywhere on the internet and has dropped using the name Pierce.   Dan seems to have rediscovered Christianity with all the Grace Baptist Church references.  Interesting.

18 minutes ago, polecat said:

Yeah, he's indulging his fantasies in a way that, really, people have done since forever. The only thing that makes it different is that he's fundy and technically not "allowed" to have fantasies. If anything, I feel sad for him because I can only imagine the crippling guilt he probably feels over it all. And I really, really hope he doesn't get caught by anyone in his church because he sure hasn't hidden his tracks very well. 

Yeah, writing about fetishes doesn't necessarily mean acting them out and you would think he would be helleva lot more careful to hide his tracks.  He should have learned from past experience.   

As someone else said, I don't think Dan grew up particularly Fundie although his mother was a church-goer.  Even in the <1000$ days he was cherry picking a lot of Fundie concepts and only promoting the ones he (and Emily) liked.  Star Trek rulz!

The frugality, homeschooling and even Dan's  Bible College and pastoring dream seemed more driven by Emily.  Dan seemed putty in Emily's hands.

 

[gustava]

Are Dna and Em fundy or just nuts?

[RosaLuxcyborg]

10 minutes ago, polecat said:

Yeah, he's indulging his fantasies in a way that, really, people have done since forever. The only thing that makes it different is that he's fundy and technically not "allowed" to have fantasies. If anything, I feel sad for him because I can only imagine the crippling guilt he probably feels over it all. And I really, really hope he doesn't get caught by anyone in his church because he sure hasn't hidden his tracks very well. 

Good point. And, IMO a big part of why these folks run into trouble. When you view anything remotely sensual as being overtly sexual and depraved that sets people up for failure. Can anyone say "Nike?"

Trigger Warning- Tangential Rant About Smuggar

After Smuggar Duggar's Ashley Madison story broke, I was struck, though not entirely surprised, at how they kept bringing up his porn addiction.  As if looking at too much porn was remotely the same as being a married man soliciting sex from sex workers, or abusing one's younger siblings. 

If you set aside the sex worker's allegations from the now dropped lawsuit, the scandal was really about Josh being a hypocrite. But the Duggar's reacted with the intensity you'd expect from someone discovering their son was a pedophile- someone who wasn't a fundy.

In fact, they still seem to see the AM scandal as a bigger deal than the molestation scandal. It *should* be mind blowing, really. 

[Palimpsest]

7 minutes ago, gustava said:

Are Dna and Em fundy or just nuts?

I'd say they were always Fundie wannabes not real Fundie.  

Nuts?  Probably classic folie a deux in the old days.  Whether still married or divorced today I hope they have got their respective acts together for the sake of all those little boys.  The youngest must be 2 or 3 by now.

[RosaLuxcyborg]

10 minutes ago, gustava said:

Are Dna and Em fundy or just nuts?

They are, then were, (and apparently are again), their own blend of both. Though in some ways they might be closer to Evangelical or Fundy Lite, I suppose.

 

Although I don't really know how devout either is these days. Last I read Emily was an Atheist.

@Palimpsest's comment above suggests this has changed, though.

 

[Howl]

4 hours ago, RosaLuxcyborg said:

Is anyone else just glad to see one of these guys express his kinky side in a noncriminal, borderline constructive way? Like, let's be honest, fam, there are worse ways to pass your time than writing poorly composed, uber niche erotica.

Since you asked, well no, just NO.  This guy has kids.  With a few clicks, an fj-er found his or her way to his fetish writing, meaning his kids may have done the same.  Finding out that your dad is writing this stuff, I can't even imagine how awful that would be.  The ick factor is off the charts, and I didn't get more than a few sentences into it.  So, no, this is not just an innocent past time and an amusing outlet for dad.  Finding this online could potentially be just as damaging to his kids as any fundy belief.  

[Sobeknofret]

1 hour ago, Palimpsest said:

Yeah, writing about fetishes doesn't necessarily mean acting them out and you would think he would be helleva lot more careful to hide his tracks.  He should have learned from past experience.   

I agree with this. Just because someone is fantasizing about a fetish by writing about it, doesn't mean that they are acting it out, or even necessarily *wanting* to do anything to act it out. And even if someone did want to act it out, as long as the participants are consenting adults, who cares? 

The only real problem I see is that Dan needs to be way more careful about his privacy settings, and who has access to what. Indeed, this kind of thing could be super-embarrassing for him if a future employer, potential date, or even just someone who wanted to make trouble for him, came across his writings. If you are reading this Dan, crank those privacy settings down!

[polecat]

1 hour ago, Howl said:

Since you asked, well no, just NO.  This guy has kids.  With a few clicks, an fj-er found his or her way to his fetish writing, meaning his kids may have done the same.  Finding out that your dad is writing this stuff, I can't even imagine how awful that would be.  The ick factor is off the charts, and I didn't get more than a few sentences into it.  So, no, this is not just an innocent past time and an amusing outlet for dad.  Finding this online could potentially be just as damaging to his kids as any fundy belief.  

 

Really? I mean, it's gross, but I would disagree that it's anywhere near as damaging as fundy beliefs.

Human sexuality is pretty all over the charts -- and most of his writing falls well within the range of typical fantasy erotica (go check out literotica if you don't believe me -- there's much weirder and worse written stuff there). Kids walk in on their parents literally having sex and aren't damaged for life.  If this guy were deliberately involving his kids in his erotic writing, then I'd absolutely agree that he was damaging them (and abusing them). But his kids snooping and finding his stuff is no more damaging than kids snooping and finding their dad's/mom's porn collection. imo.

[lawfulevil]

When I was a kid (middle school aged) I found my dad's stash of... well, pictures with Hilary Clinton's head photoshopped onto porn star's bodies. Quite a number of them, and quite, uh, buxom porn stars. We didn't own Photoshop, he wasn't making them. Ahem. My parents are staunch Republicans, so it was an educational experience on a lot of fronts.

I don't think I was scarred for life but I did grow up to be a liberal, so ymmv.

[EmiGirl]

2 hours ago, polecat said:

Really? I mean, it's gross, but I would disagree that it's anywhere near as damaging as fundy beliefs.

Human sexuality is pretty all over the charts -- and most of his writing falls well within the range of typical fantasy erotica (go check out literotica if you don't believe me -- there's much weirder and worse written stuff there). Kids walk in on their parents literally having sex and aren't damaged for life.  If this guy were deliberately involving his kids in his erotic writing, then I'd absolutely agree that he was damaging them (and abusing them). But his kids snooping and finding his stuff is no more damaging than kids snooping and finding their dad's/mom's porn collection. imo.

That happened to my husband. He saw the play boy worth pics of his mom his bio dad had taken when he was going through the stuff he inherited when his dad died. He was traumatized.

[AmazonGrace]

I would be more worried about the children's peers finding out about that stuff somehow because kids could totally use that to an extremely cruel effect.

[Black Aliss]

3 hours ago, lawfulevil said:

When I was a kid (middle school aged) I found my dad's stash of... well, pictures with Hilary Clinton's head photoshopped onto porn star's bodies. Quite a number of them, and quite, uh, buxom porn stars. We didn't own Photoshop, he wasn't making them. Ahem. My parents are staunch Republicans, so it was an educational experience on a lot of fronts.

I don't think I was scarred for life but I did grow up to be a liberal, so ymmv.

Wow. That has to be the all-time forbidden pleasure for a Republican. I wonder if he had a Hillary mask that he made your mother wear in bed?

[BlondeAgent007]

I read one of the more tame fetish stories to my husband and we were laughing so hard we were in tears.  It's just so.... I didn't know how to describe it before.  But I had an epiphany a little while ago.  It reminds me of the episode of south park where Butters writes the book The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs.  Dan's fetish fiction reads just like that book.

[ILoveJellybeans]

True, as much as reading it made my brain vomit, at least Dan is expressing his sexual fetishes in a fairly normal way, in writing "erotic" stories, rather than the other ways a fundie could express their sexual desires-cheating, rape, child molestation, seeing prostitutes etc.

[lawfulevil]

3 hours ago, Black Aliss said:

Wow. That has to be the all-time forbidden pleasure for a Republican. I wonder if he had a Hillary mask that he made your mother wear in bed?

Well, thanks for that mental image, I'm going to go take a shower in bleach now.

[RosaLuxcyborg]

19 hours ago, Howl said:

Since you asked, well no, just NO.  This guy has kids.  With a few clicks, an fj-er found his or her way to his fetish writing, meaning his kids may have done the same.  Finding out that your dad is writing this stuff, I can't even imagine how awful that would be.  The ick factor is off the charts, and I didn't get more than a few sentences into it.  So, no, this is not just an innocent past time and an amusing outlet for dad.  Finding this online could potentially be just as damaging to his kids as any fundy belief.  

Eh, I found several of my dad;s poorly hidden porn stashes over the course of my childhood. Online and otherwise. And for that matter so did my brother. Can't say it was too damaging. 

Very uncomfortable? Yes. 

Now the fundie values on the other hand?

[polecat]

2 hours ago, RosaLuxcyborg said:

Eh, I found several of my dad;s poorly hidden porn stashes over the course of my childhood. Online and otherwise. And for that matter so did my brother. Can't say it was too damaging. 

Very uncomfortable? Yes. 

Now the fundie values on the other hand?

 

This was my experience apart from the porn (we just got to hear my parents having sex from time to time, lol). It wasn't damaging, just awkward and uncomfortable. Oh, and then as an adult, I happened across a certain medication in my dad's bathroom when looking for tylenol, and that was embarrassing (because I felt like I violated his privacy even though it wasn't intentional). I guess it depends on how one views sex and the attitudes one has surrounding sex.

But the fundy stuff -- I still have hang-ups from the fundy crap that saturated my life growing up.

[Howl]

So no one's concerned about the more violent aspects of his fetish writing -- hanging women, etc., that someone mentioned reading?

[polecat]

44 minutes ago, Howl said:

So no one's concerned about the more violent aspects of his fetish writing -- hanging women, etc., that someone mentioned reading?

 

I'm not really sure how to address this without really knowing more about this particular person, so I'm going to respond in extremely general terms here.

No, I don't think violent writing typically indicates that an author is violent. Perfectly nice people write on violent topics all the time, including rape, sexual assaults, domestic violence, abuse, serial killers, murderers -- every type of horrible, wicked, evil action under the sun. Sometimes even from a fetishistic standpoint. I've had the dubious pleasure of reading weird alien/octopus hybrid erotica. Who gets off on that? Apparently someone does. People sometimes have very dark, very weird imaginations -- the friendly librarian down the road, the goofy gas station attendant, the nice next door neighbor, the shy computer guy. All of them. You just never know.

That doesn't mean they'll act on them, though. In fact, writing can be a powerful outlet that allows people to work through things and get them out of their system in a safe, healthy manner (not just fetishes but other issues as well). Sometimes this type of writing can be disturbing to read, but writing and doing are usually two very different things. 

This is me speaking as a writer/editor and someone who has known many other writers. Heck, I happen to enjoy reading true crime books. That doesn't mean I'm even remotely like to commit an actual crime some day. I don't even speed. 

Again -- this may or may not apply to Dan. I really don't know enough about him to say. But I really suspect he fits into the "goofy shy type of guy who keeps all his stuff inside and uses his writing as an outlet for stuff he'd never say out loud" category. And if he ever DID ask for anything out loud, he'd probably ask his wife or GF to pee on him -- AND he'd be pleased as punch with that. No harm, no foul. And no one hanged at the end of the day. Now, if he has an actual history of abusive behavior, that's a whole different story.  

[Howl]

12 hours ago, polecat said:

Heck, I happen to enjoy reading true crime books. That doesn't mean I'm even remotely like to commit an actual crime some day. I don't even speed. 

Yup, true crime, 48 Hours, crime TV, Forensic Files, Dateline for me.  I have committed no violent crimes and won't in the future.   

And @polecat and others who have responded, I appreciate the points you have made. I do get that writing can be a very wholesome outlet for the dark side of human nature.  I do get this.  I do get that we humans, in normal contemporary life, very rarely act out the darker aspect of our mental life.   

However, I do worry about people who split off the unacceptable aspects parts of themselves in an almost schizophrenic way, and that plays out in a secret life or compulsion.  I think the Pulse Nightclub shooter is one of the most utterly disastrous examples of this. It may be at the roots of Bret Alan Smith's abusive activities, who knows.  

Maybe people who are in fundamentalist belief systems are somewhat more prone to this -- they have absolutely no way to integrate or channel the dark side -- it has to be split off to live somewhere else, but this certainly isn't limited to fundamentalists.  

But to wrap this back around to our guy being discussed, Dan writes compellingly about a soiled (pee) diaper fetish.  He presumably had a soiled diaper fetish when he was in a household full of children peeing in diapers -- for years.  Is no one seeing a red flag here?  Or at least completely and utterly squicked out?  That this may not have been a wholesome situation? 

 

 

[Sobeknofret]

1 hour ago, Howl said:

But to wrap this back around to our guy being discussed, Dan writes compellingly about a soiled (pee) diaper fetish.  He presumably had a soiled diaper fetish when he was in a household full of children peeing in diapers -- for years.  Is no one seeing a red flag here?  Or at least completely and utterly squicked out?  That this may not have been a wholesome situation? 

 

 

No. His fantasies involve adult women peeing in diapers, not small children. He's not showing any signs of being sexually attracted to children, and I'd be willing to bet the farm he would be strongly repulsed by the idea. In fantasies, the prime actor is a hugely important part, and in this case it's adult women doing the action, not the wet diapers alone.

[polecat]

1 hour ago, Howl said:

Yup, true crime, 48 Hours, crime TV, Forensic Files, Dateline for me.  I have committed no violent crimes and won't in the future.   

And @polecat and others who have responded, I appreciate the points you have made. I do get that writing can be a very wholesome outlet for the dark side of human nature.  I do get this.  I do get that we humans, in normal contemporary life, very rarely act out the darker aspect of our mental life.   

However, I do worry about people who split off the unacceptable aspects parts of themselves in an almost schizophrenic way, and that plays out in a secret life or compulsion.  I think the Pulse Nightclub shooter is one of the most utterly disastrous examples of this. It may be at the roots of Bret Alan Smith's abusive activities, who knows.  

Maybe people who are in fundamentalist belief systems are somewhat more prone to this -- they have absolutely no way to integrate or channel the dark side -- it has to be split off to live somewhere else, but this certainly isn't limited to fundamentalists.  

But to wrap this back around to our guy being discussed, Dan writes compellingly about a soiled (pee) diaper fetish.  He presumably had a soiled diaper fetish when he was in a household full of children peeing in diapers -- for years.  Is no one seeing a red flag here?  Or at least completely and utterly squicked out?  That this may not have been a wholesome situation? 

 

 

 

Oh no, I absolutely understand why you're completely squicked out. And I thnk you're right, in that for fundies, there's an almost splintering effect that goes on that could be especially dangerous. As with Josh -- his urges went an especially perverse direction.

For me, though, I see him writing about adults, so I guess I'm assuming his fantasies are squarely in the realm of normal (well, normal-ish) and not at all to do with kids. And since he's writing about things that are fairly taboo and non-fundy (like lesbian incest and homosexuality) and doesn't seem to be aware that his fellow churchgoers could easily happen across them, I'd think that if he were having pedophilic fantasies, he'd be writing about them, too. Does that make sense?

[RosaLuxcyborg]

1 hour ago, Howl said:

Yup, true crime, 48 Hours, crime TV, Forensic Files, Dateline for me.  I have committed no violent crimes and won't in the future.   

And @polecat and others who have responded, I appreciate the points you have made. I do get that writing can be a very wholesome outlet for the dark side of human nature.  I do get this.  I do get that we humans, in normal contemporary life, very rarely act out the darker aspect of our mental life.   

However, I do worry about people who split off the unacceptable aspects parts of themselves in an almost schizophrenic way, and that plays out in a secret life or compulsion.  I think the Pulse Nightclub shooter is one of the most utterly disastrous examples of this. It may be at the roots of Bret Alan Smith's abusive activities, who knows.  

Maybe people who are in fundamentalist belief systems are somewhat more prone to this -- they have absolutely no way to integrate or channel the dark side -- it has to be split off to live somewhere else, but this certainly isn't limited to fundamentalists.  

But to wrap this back around to our guy being discussed, Dan writes compellingly about a soiled (pee) diaper fetish.  He presumably had a soiled diaper fetish when he was in a household full of children peeing in diapers -- for years.  Is no one seeing a red flag here?  Or at least completely and utterly squicked out?  That this may not have been a wholesome situation? 

 

 

^Emphasis mine. 

I share a lot of your concerns @Howl, for sure.  And yeah, I am totally squicked out with you! Still, I don't think it's a red flag.

I'm squicked out because Dan's set of kinks don't match my own aesthetics for sexual fantasy. If Dan were to see my Literotica favorites, I'd be willing to bet he'd be squicked out by the FemDom stories. However, fantasies are rarely associated with performing sexual acts on a consenting participant, let alone a victim. I just do not see why this blog should alarm anyone.

Squick out? Sure. Because, yeah, diapering is a peculiar fetish.

That said, I am not aware of adult diapering, water sports, or BDSM being associated with present or future acts of pedophilia. As for the violence, it's extremely common in erotica. So again, it just dosen't alarm me.

If anything, I'm glad to see that Dan is not so screwed up by his religious experiences, that he's unable to fantasize and share his fantasies.

Do I think that Dan may be embarrassed if members of his congregation find this? Yeah. Do I think that Dan is familiar with blogging, and maybe doesn't really care who see's his work? Yeah, I think that's possible too. Frankly, were I a divorced father, I would be most concerned that this could be used against me in a custody battle, so ultimately, and for different reasons, I think we agree that this really doesn't need to be attached to his personal blog.

 

 

[BlondeAgent007]

I do personally think the violent nature of his stories should be concerning, along with his obsession with diapers.  I don't condone spanking, for example, but some adult sexual fantasies involve spanking.  I would be pretty concerned if a parent who used spanking as a primary means of discipline was also incredibly turned on by spanking, even if their fantasy involves spanking between adults and not children.  I know diapering a child isn't really a choice for parents, like spanking is.  But this is a guy who has had 3 kids or more at a time in diapers, probably changing at least 10 diapers a day.  All the while sexually attracted to the idea of people in diapers.  To me, it has a similar taste of squick, as a parent who frequent spanks their kids and then jerks off to videos of 18 year-olds being spanked.  Its just kind of weird.  If any of his kids happened to be girls, would anyone see this differently?

[polecat]

18 hours ago, BlondeAgent007 said:

I do personally think the violent nature of his stories should be concerning, along with his obsession with diapers.  I don't condone spanking, for example, but some adult sexual fantasies involve spanking.  I would be pretty concerned if a parent who used spanking as a primary means of discipline was also incredibly turned on by spanking, even if their fantasy involves spanking between adults and not children.  I know diapering a child isn't really a choice for parents, like spanking is.  But this is a guy who has had 3 kids or more at a time in diapers, probably changing at least 10 diapers a day.  All the while sexually attracted to the idea of people in diapers.  To me, it has a similar taste of squick, as a parent who frequent spanks their kids and then jerks off to videos of 18 year-olds being spanked.  Its just kind of weird.  If any of his kids happened to be girls, would anyone see this differently?

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bbm -- no. 

His stories weren't "barely legal," as far as I read, like your spanking scenario. 

These writings alone don't indicate that he is a predator. Many people around the world and with all flavors of kink write similar stories and would never dream of hurting anyone else of any age.

If there are other indicators of issues on his other blogs or social media or history, then those might be taken along with this writing to show a pattern of behavior.