The Hodnett Family Converting Scotland

[Gobsmacked]

$5000.00 won't go far if that is all they have for housing until the next instalments of sheeple money arrives.

[seraaa]

Dundee is cool, yo. GQ said so!

 

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/why-dundee-is-the-coolest-little-city-in-britain?utm_content=buffer58039&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Gobsmacked]

Millions of £SS have been spent over the past few years to improve and modernise the city. 

Dundee has been a ghost of its former industrial past unfortunately, as have a few Scottish and English cities since the pillage of the Thatcher era in the UK as a whole.

 

[PopRox]

I never looked at this thread until a couple of days ago, and am finally caught up. I was sooo not surprised at his FB post about how he was blinding people on the road with his fog lights. Shades of John Shrader.

The video...it's super offensive, but at the same time it's SO over the top I almost wanted to laugh. The "set Scotland on fire" thing sounded a bit violent to me, though; probably not what they were going for.

Reading all of your posts about Scotland (and watching the scenery porn on that video) has made me REALLY want to visit! In fact, the Lord has laid it on my heart to make a mission trip to Scotland, where I will preach my Gospel of "Leaving other people the hell alone and minding your own business." I will do all my soul-winning at pubs and beautiful places by...you guessed it... leaving other people the hell alone and minding my own business (it will be exactly as effective as John Shrader converting Christians to Christianity). Who wants to fund me?!?

[Gobsmacked]

What a twit! He seriously doesn't know that cars have rear fog lights!???!! 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

Um, I hate to be in the position of defending this nitwit in any way, but I had never heard of rear fog lamps before, either.   I did a quick peek with Google, and it seems that they aren't required in the US. Some cars are sold here with them (mostly European cars), but I had never heard of them until you mentioned them.

However, if I ever get the chance to visit someplace as cool as Scotland someday, you can bet I'll try to learn as much as I can before I get there. Books, magazines, the Internet, friends, family; I would gather as much info pre-trip as I could.

I'm sure a visit would be a great ministry and I could post lots of pictures and videos for y'all! Somebody sponsor me, pleeeease! 

[Gobsmacked]

Oops, now I feel guilty laughing, BUT he should have CHECKED and ASKED QUESTIONS  about the car when he bought it. ALSO read the MANUAL before driving the car. It also might have been a good idea to have bought/ begged a copy of the Highway Code from his hosts before trying to drive on the roads in Scotland, knowing that he would be driving on the opposite side than he is used to.

So he is still a twit of the highest degree.

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

@Gobsmacked, don't feel too bad about laughing at him.  When I make silly mistakes, I'm often the one who's laughing the loudest! I had my last car for years before I realized that the sun visor would do this cool thing where I could block the sun from the front and the side at the same time. (Very helpful on a winding road.) I laughed at myself for not figuring it out sooner, then told my family about it so that they could laugh at me, too! 

[alba]

7 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

Millions of £SS have been spent over the past few years to improve and modernise the city. 

Dundee has been a ghost of its former industrial past unfortunately, as have a few Scottish and English cities since the pillage of the Thatcher era in the UK as a whole.

 

Aye, my dad was in Scotland in July for the first time in fifteen years (Mum dragged him over for my wedding   ). He was *very* impressed with Dundee, as he mostly remembers it as it was in the late-70s to mid-80s when he lived there, and there's a reason he emigrated.

4 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

Oops, now I feel guilty laughing, BUT he should have CHECKED and ASKED QUESTIONS  about the car when he bought it. ALSO read the MANUAL before driving the car. It also might have been a good idea to have bought/ begged a copy of the Highway Code from his hosts before trying to drive on the roads in Scotland, knowing that he would be driving on the opposite side than he is used to.

So he is still a twit of the highest degree.

Yeah, I honestly CANNOT believe that people who have only driven in the US, probably only in an automatic, didn't do their fucking research before driving in Scotland. I mean, really. I had a Canadian licence when I came over here, I was driving my mum's manual car around my hometown, and I STILL failed my UK test the first time round. The opposite side is the least of your worries; in North America the roads are, as a general rule, actually wider than the cars, which seems to be a foreign concept to Scottish road builders. And they mostly go in straight lines, with right-angle turns.

I can just imagine this numpty doing a day trip to Edinburgh and ending up stuck at Tollcross or the junction at the bottom of George IV Bridge. The entire city would hear him praying to God to rescue him.

[Gobsmacked]

Now I am laughing Alba, the George IV bridge junction was designed by the devil as were a few others I can think of! He would be in tears and sobbing the whole journey.

[FrumperedCat]

Seems they're enjoying the fish and chip lifestyle, second time he's posted about going out for some this week. If he's currently living off only £5000 and any church sponsorship then that's one heck of a way to burn through the money. Given what he's said about his driving perhaps he should save that money for the inevitable damage he'll cause in the future... 

[caszandra]

If nothing else, all his messages can be used as a 'how not to guide' for anyone coming to visit Scotland.

I'm unfamiliar with the George IV bridge junction @Gobsmacked, do you know Anniesland Cross in Glasgow? I know this is an intersection but is it as bad or worse than that?

 

[Palimpsest]

Nice research of the churches, @Lurky

On 10/25/2016 at 5:34 AM, Lurky said:

This one looks like the most American-missionary-style website, but it's Perth not Dundee: http://www.bbcperth.co.uk
 

I've found this Perth one before and it is definitely IFB.  The American pastor has the same Clearing House as Shrader.  They don't seem to be a hive of activity though. 

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This seems IFB, but I don't know if that's USA-style: https://tbcdundee.org.uk/     They support missionaries to Spain and the Philippines and Edinburgh, and don't have a building - they're my nearest guess for Hodnettery, but they say they partner with other churches, so they're not full-on "everyone else is doing it wrong" IFB.

I'd call Trinity Baptist IFB.  They are Independent "Reformed" Baptist in the Calvinist tradition (the 1689 Baptist’s Confession).   This is the best suspect to be supporting Hodnett.

The Hodnett's Mission seems to be to convert Fish and Chip shop owners.   Of course he had to buy a car - missionaries can't possibly use buses or trains.

Other missionary sightings! Oooh, look! 

A VandenHurk on the Hodnut's Facebook.  The VandenHurks are converting Peterborough.

And the Tools  Tooleys!  I'd forgotten about them.  They are long-timers from  Georgia  who are dedicated to preying on converting "people groups" of immigrants that are polluting Britain's Great Christian Heritage.  Because Corby, Northamptonshire is a stepping stone to Europe.  And Beyond.

Damn, his grammar is really atrocious. http://www.tooleys2england.org/video-presentation

[Gobsmacked]

41 minutes ago, caszandra said:

If nothing else, all his messages can be used as a 'how not to guide' for anyone coming to visit Scotland.

I'm unfamiliar with the George IV bridge junction @Gobsmacked, do you know Anniesland Cross in Glasgow? I know this is an intersection but is it as bad or worse than that?

 

Probably not as bad as Anniesland cross, but you do needs your wits about you. Drivers in Edinburgh tend not to be very patient.

 

 

 

 

[caszandra]

3 minutes ago, Gobsmacked said:

Probably not as bad as Anniesland cross, but you do needs your wits about you. Drivers in Edinburgh tend not to be very patient.

Well in that case, since you said that junction would have him in tears maybe he should have came to Glasgow and then we could all have laughed as his head exploded while trying to navigate Anniesland Cross!

[ladyaudley]

53 minutes ago, caszandra said:

Well in that case, since you said that junction would have him in tears maybe he should have came to Glasgow and then we could all have laughed as his head exploded while trying to navigate Anniesland Cross!

Or the new junction at the Riverside museum...

[caszandra]

9 minutes ago, ladyaudley said:

Or the new junction at the Riverside museum...

Oh yes, that one caught me out a few times when I first started using it.

[Gobsmacked]

Sounds dangerous!

Would love to watch him navigate some of the junctions and roundabouts in Inverness they are  Baaaad!

[Gobsmacked]

Just watched the Tooley video. Another Twit.

Britain is not a country. 

England is not destroyed.

Huge old church buildings are closing because the buildings are past their sell by dates, new roofing ,heating and Plumbing etc costs too much.

Churches are moving into smaller, easier to maintain buildings, with modern facilities. Lots of modern churches throughout Britain run cafes staffed by volunteers. Any profits are used to run soup kitchens, provide lunch clubs for the elderly, to provide Christmas presents for children who would otherwise go without and a myriad of other things.

The people of Britain are not godless. 

Why are Missionary persons always so large? 

Shrader, although his physical "church planting " has slimmed him down.

Hodnett, lover of fast food and now fish and chips. At least he is putting something back into the local economy in his new City.

Rodrigues, doesn't do a lot of anything really. Except sweet fellowship.

Tooley, just standing around, littering up the town centres of destroyed! Britain. Wasting trees by posting leaflets that go straight into re-cycle bins I suspect.

Just useless men who can't/ won't do a proper days work to provide for their families, have the patter and can talk folk out of their hard earned cash as cleverly as any slick, slimey salesman.

rant over.

[Lurky]

Oh @Palimpsest, I love you bringing these Missionaries to our wider attention - thank you!  Plus I always really appreciate it when you (& others) give info about the USA church types.

Just watching the Tools video, it had me cackling at the opening!  His voice!  It's like the opening of Waltons or something.  Thoughts:

• "Today Britain's not the country most people think of today" -
• 1 in 3 people one meets on the street was born somewhere else in the world...  like, erm, all these USA missionaries?  It's OK for them to come, but bad for everyone else?
• "People groups"!!!!
• He definitely suffers from what Terry Pratchett calls "Charisn't-ma", in his voice and in his person!  I wish I could see his evangelism  in action
• "The cities of England are no longer filled with British people, but with people from around the world".....  I kind of have no words for this - esp as it's fiiiiiiiiine for his family to be here. 
• And "In cities, the English are the minority"...  I have NO IDEA what he's talking about here.  I'm guessing maybe he thinks that Black or Asian British people don't exist, but I am very much a city woman, and I can't even imagine where he's thinking of.
• The illustration for his "the church has doubled in size" shows let's say, 14 people, being generous.
• "The largest religion is Islam" - just after saying 50% of Britons say they're Church of England - this is completely insane!  How can you even read that out and not realise that's a contradiction?  And then that ridiculosity is because of "immigration from Europe", so I'm pretty sure I can guess which side of Brexit he fell on. (That little Muslim kid was adorable, I'm not sure I was meant to think that)
• This is their image of "childern's holiday Bible clubs".  Let's be generous, and say there's 25 people there.  But children?? Erm...

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• In that picture of him "ministering to an elderly people's home", they looked like they were either suffering or asleep (and this is one of the reasons I'm pretty terrified of getting that old)
• I guess I'm impressed that they didn't ask for cash in the video?

For more Tooley fun, their last prayer letter was back in January, where they had an interesting Return on Investment:

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During the whole month of December we had some special services to reach out into the area during the holidays. We were able to get out 5,000 flyers in the local community, inviting them to the services and we are thankful to the Lord for blessing the Carol & Candle Light Services. We had been working hard and praying people would come.  God blessed with 21 visitors total in the services. 

And I laughed out loud at this:

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As we look over 2015 at the church, I believe this was the most fruitful year that we have ever seen in our entire 19 years on the field.  Praise the Lord! God has sent close to 200 visitors through the doors of Lifegate Baptist Church over the course of the past year. It would be nice if everyone would stay but, sadly, many will come and then never come back again.

 

Oh @Palimpsest, I do love that you share this kind of thing!  Thank you!

 

[Gobsmacked]

23 minutes ago, Lurky said:

Oh @Palimpsest, I love you bringing these Missionaries to our wider attention - thank you!  Plus I always really appreciate it when you (& others) give info about the USA church types.

Just watching the Tools video, it had me cackling at the opening!  His voice!  It's like the opening of Waltons or something.  Thoughts:

• "Today Britain's not the country most people think of today" -
• 1 in 3 people one meets on the street was born somewhere else in the world...  like, erm, all these USA missionaries?  It's OK for them to come, but bad for everyone else?
• "People groups"!!!!
• He definitely suffers from what Terry Pratchett calls "Charisn't-ma", in his voice and in his person!  I wish I could see his evangelism  in action
• "The cities of England are no longer filled with British people, but with people from around the world".....  I kind of have no words for this - esp as it's fiiiiiiiiine for his family to be here. 
• And "In cities, the English are the minority"...  I have NO IDEA what he's talking about here.  I'm guessing maybe he thinks that Black or Asian British people don't exist, but I am very much a city woman, and I can't even imagine where he's thinking of.
• The illustration for his "the church has doubled in size" shows let's say, 14 people, being generous.
• "The largest religion is Islam" - just after saying 50% of Britons say they're Church of England - this is completely insane!  How can you even read that out and not realise that's a contradiction?  And then that ridiculosity is because of "immigration from Europe", so I'm pretty sure I can guess which side of Brexit he fell on. (That little Muslim kid was adorable, I'm not sure I was meant to think that)
• This is their image of "childern's holiday Bible clubs".  Let's be generous, and say there's 25 people there.  But children?? Erm...

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• In that picture of him "ministering to an elderly people's home", they looked like they were either suffering or asleep (and this is one of the reasons I'm pretty terrified of getting that old)
• I guess I'm impressed that they didn't ask for cash in the video?

For more Tooley fun, their last prayer letter was back in January, where they had an interesting Return on Investment:

And I laughed out loud at this:

Oh @Palimpsest, I do love that you share this kind of thing!  Thank you!

 

Sorry, can't snip but I second this.

[Palimpsest]

You are welcome, @Lurky.  I'm still trying to find some of the other missionaries.

I do have some sympathy for them finding it hard to drive in the UK.  I'm terrified of driving in England.  I failed my test in the UK when I was 18 (long story) and only learned to drive in the US. 

I don't find driving on the left or the motorways or junctions so hard.  I can get myself out of Gatwick or Heathrow quite easily.  No, it's the narrow country roads where all the locals speed and I'm crawling along petrified by pheasants (that's pheasants not peasants, you Yanks) flying up in front of the car.  Then there's having to reverse for what seems like miles to let oncoming cars pass ...  

The Tooleys don't have much to show for their almost 20 years in England do they?  Such hardship and trials and tribulations face missionaries in Corby.  They are happily grifting for a minivan too because they need it to get converts to church.  Apparently public transport doesn't run at "convenient times" for church services. It's far more likely that the converts are using that as an excuse and would be horrified if the Tooley arrived in a car to pick them up.

34 minutes ago, Gobsmacked said:

Why are Missionary persons always so large? 

In fairness, they are not all quite that large.

I usually try not to snark on physical appearance but the Hodnutt and Tooley make it hard.  They are not "big men."  They are unhealthily huge and really should not be indulging in fish and chips a couple of times a week.  David Rea is similarly enormous and I wonder what the Zambians think of him.  There's also the directive that Fundie women are expected to stay slim to be attractive to their Headships but that doesn't seem to apply to the men at all.

[Lurky]

1 hour ago, Gobsmacked said:

Why are Missionary persons always so large? 

 

13 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

I usually try not to snark on physical appearance but the Hodnutt and Tooley make it hard.  They are not "big men."  They are unhealthily huge and really should not be indulging in fish and chips a couple of times a week

I've been trying and trying to think of a polite way to say these things too!  So thank you both for being awesome!

[FrumperedCat]

Seems to me like the Tooley's got the whole of Britain confused with Leicester given the statistics they used. Perhaps they got a little bit lost getting here given how close Corby is to Leicester. On the other hand though I think they'd now be shocked stepping into Leicester given how they've had 20 years to adjust to Corby! Plus there's a lot of competition amongst the different religions here so they'd probably have a church attendance of zero! Mind you there's still a Christian majority and only a third of the population is foreign born. Still I'd crack up if while wandering about Leicester I saw the Tools preaching!

[Gobsmacked]

Hodnutt and Tool sounds like a Dickensian Solicitors partnership.