JinJer 2: Courting, she did ride

[Gillyweed]

Despite how we feel about Derick, I do think Jill is happy with him. At least, happier than Jessa is with Ben. Maybe Jinger will have Jill's luck.

I want them to give their future children J names. Juliana Vuolo would be my pick, but they'll probably go with something biblical.

[JermajestyDuggar]

So imagine this everyone:

5 years down the road, Jinger finds out Jeremy is up to his old college ways and he's looking at porn and cheating. How much money you want to bet the Duggars will beg her to leave Jeremy and come home? But that option wasn't afforded to Anna. 

[Four is Enough]

Whew! Finally caught up with this.

Thoughts:

If he's an established pastor, surely he's paid by his church. So he can whisk Jinger away and they can live as Mr. and Mrs. Pastor in Laredo.

Is Laredo larger than Tonitown? Big city problem solved.

She could become the new Tammy Faye Bakker. As much makeup as she wants, fashion of her own, and TEE-VEE ministree!

I'm hoping that they do get out of Arkansas.

[Mrs. Figg]

I've gone back quite a ways in the first thread and I must be blind.  What is this IG account you suspect might be Jinger?!? 

[obiwanfreak]

Just now, Mrs. Figg said:

I've gone back quite a ways in the first thread and I must be blind.  What is this IG account you suspect might be Jinger?!? 

@jingervuolo

[CharlieInCharge]

I just had surgery and this courtship is making recovery so much easier! I'm desperately hoping this guy turns out ok and not a control freak. 

Regardless, I agree that there is probably an engagement either already in place or about to be filmed for the new season. 

[Fundie Bunny]

Seriously, with 200,000 people Laredo is NOT a big city by any meas. It will be close to a walmart, and that's it

[JermajestyDuggar]

7 minutes ago, Fundie Bunny said:

Seriously, with 200,000 people Laredo is NOT a big city by any meas. It will be close to a walmart, and that's it

But that's huge compared to Tontitown! 

[IReallyAmHopewell]

5 minutes ago, Fundie Bunny said:

Seriously, with 200,000 people Laredo is NOT a big city by any meas. It will be close to a walmart, and that's it

Have you seen Tontitown? lol... That's a city for most people outside NYCmetro and LA.

So they are trying, belatedly, to catch up with the Bates tally. One per season? Please God not a repeat of every wedding blather. I bit Jinger will  be shown learning to play soccer so she can share with her man. Ga!

So that will leave only "Mom and Dad, jr"--aka Jana and John at home unmarried and beginning to grow stale on the shelf. Joe, Joy, 'Siah and the twins are all raging hormones--who knows. 2 courtships in one season. Surely they'll make one set of the twins have a joint wedding (another Ga!). Or they can show John building a new house when he gets married......

34 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

So imagine this everyone:

5 years down the road, Jinger finds out Jeremy is up to his old college ways and he's looking at porn and cheating. How much money you want to bet the Duggars will beg her to leave Jeremy and come home? But that option wasn't afforded to Anna. 

Nope. Marriage is for life. And I doubt she'd tell.

[Kaylo]

2 hours ago, foreign fundie said:

If he would have courted her without jumping on the Counting On band wagon, would have kept his real digital life visible and showed some authenticity, I may have had hope. So far, he checks all the wrong boxes.

He couldn't have courted her without doing and saying everything he has done and said thus far.  Maybe he is jumping through the necessary hoops to get her to the alter. I doubt it, but maybe.  Time will tell. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

2 minutes ago, IReallyAmHopewell said:

Have you seen Tontitown? lol... That's a city for most people outside NYCmetro and LA.

So they are trying, belatedly, to catch up with the Bates tally. One per season? Please God not a repeat of every wedding blather. I bit Jinger will  be shown learning to play soccer so she can share with her man. Ga!

So that will leave only "Mom and Dad, jr"--aka Jana and John at home unmarried and beginning to grow stale on the shelf. Joe, Joy, 'Siah and the twins are all raging hormones--who knows. 2 courtships in one season. Surely they'll make one set of the twins have a joint wedding (another Ga!). Or they can show John building a new house when he gets married......

Nope. Marriage is for life. And I doubt she'd tell.

I could see the Duggars villainizing him just so they can get Jinger back under their umbrella with small children in tow.

[Slt]

33 minutes ago, Gillyweed said:

Despite how we feel about Derick, I do think Jill is happy with him. At least, happier than Jessa is with Ben. Maybe Jinger will have Jill's luck.

I want them to give their future children J names. Juliana Vuolo would be my pick, but they'll probably go with something biblical.

I "totally" (have to use Jill's favorite word!) agree with this. If anyone isn't happy or was blindsided by that marriage, it was Derick. We all know he wasn't told about his wife being molested by her brother before marriage and I certainly don't think he realized the level of crazy the fundie life he was getting into held.

[IReallyAmHopewell]

Just now, JermajestyDuggar said:

I could see the Duggars villainizing him just so they can get Jinger back under their umbrella with small children in tow.

No--that would ruin their "ministry." Marriage is forever. A daughter back home would be FAILURE.

[SassyPants]

2 hours ago, foreign fundie said:

I asked DH how I initially caught his attention and he said it was because I had opinions and I didn't hide them (though I thought I was being meek, humble and modest). 

So although I am late to the party, I will put in my digital tithe in the big FJ offering box.

I am always ready to be positive. So I hoped he would like her for who she was and was not heavy into patriachy. But his dad's sermons on this topic make my skin crawl. The family seems right up the Duggar ally. His courtship story dashed any further hopes. It is what any fundie guy could have written about any fundie girl. Humblemeekservantheartmodest. Nothing unique about her or him at all. No funny anecdotes. Just the usual 'wow -godly- girl- lets- ask- a-bunch-of- other -godly- people -what -they -think- and -become -friends -with -her -godly-dad' routine. 

They are cookie cutter boys looking for cookie cutter girls, with incredably predictable testimonies, who tell their cookie cutter love stories on their cookie cutter webpages full of cookie cutter pictures with cookie cutter in-laws. 

Of course, since they are real people, somehow they have real feelings, which will be surpressed by fundie expectations and the happy show front until they surface in some ugly way. 

And that is the first thing I thought of when I heard he was a football player. Muscle power and the levels of testosterone and aggression necessary to be a prof, in combination with extreme patriarchy, and a 'meek, humble' girl with a background of abuse, that is not a combination I feel comfortable with. Really hope he will only use those muscles to protect her.

Then he asked for councel from Ben and Jessa. Really??? 28 yo pastor with education and prof background askes Ben for relationship guidance? Or should I read that as 'I asked Ben how bribe/ blackmail JB into consenting to courtship'.

He is a PASTOR. Someone who has to give marriage counseling, guides people through grieve and crises, and he asks Ben for advice on a girl? He may be 28. But when I met my DH, who was much younger then, he did not need any such advice. 

If he would have courted her without jumping on the Counting On band wagon, would have kept his real digital life visible and showed some authenticity, I may have had hope. So far, he checks all the wrong boxes.

WHO is she? She is not anyone. In her world and her reality, she is piece #6 to And Counting. All pieces are interchangeable and that's why I wonder what these potential spouses see in any of the Duggars. They do not get to know them in any individual or personal way...it's like trying a new box of cereal for the first time. It's not like you can open the box up in the store and taste it first. Unfortunately, it's easy to marry someone and much harder to get out once you find out that you do not actually like Mango-Honey-Vanilla-Cinnamon Oat Bran or an AND Counting Duggar.  *See Ben and Jessa*

[19 cats and counting]

3 minutes ago, Slt said:

I "totally" (have to use Jill's favorite word!) agree with this. If anyone isn't happy or was blindsided by that marriage, it was Derick. We all know he wasn't told about his wife being molested by her brother before marriage and I certainly don't think he realized the level of crazy the fundie life he was getting into held.

I'd put Derick in the came category as Whitney Bates.  A traumatic event (in Derick's case his father's death) lead them looking for answers.  The answers came in the form of falling in love with someone who happened to be one of 19 siblings and I think they wanted the large 'loving' family atmosphere just as much as they wanted their spouse.  

That said, I think Derick's consumed more Kool-Aid than Whitney (who lets her son watch Pooh Bear and has a husband with a secular job). But only time will tell as neither kid's old enough for school.

[Kaylo]

My pick...

[SassyPants]

1 hour ago, AmazonGrace said:

It's just like all the birthday posts Duggars ever posted... they're all interchangeable. "So-and-so loves the Lord so much and we're not exactly sure which one of our kids this is or what they think about anything and that's why we can't say anything more personal about them  but  and we're so happy to have him/her in our lives. "  One meek and submissive sacrificial wife looks much like any other meek and submissive sacrificial wife.

I don't think Jessa would ever be described as meek, sacrificial or humble. Although she did foist that horrible name on her firstborn.

[nst]

Just now, SassyPants said:

I don't think Jessa would ever be described as meek, sacrificial or humble. Although she did foist that horrible name on her firstborn.

no Jessa is the opposite of Jinger so she is strong willed, hot tempered and beauty centered (is that a word?)

[Grimalkin]

2 hours ago, trisprefect said:

I'm not quite willing to paint him as an abusive sociopath from some pictures and a few videos. There definitely is something a little off about a 28 year old into a very immature 22 year old, and the potential for a power imbalance is a very legitimate concern. But I guess I think that we're jumping the gun a little on being convinced that Jinger is about to step into a nightmare.

As someone said above (thread is moving too fast for me to bother quoting), the way that they met is probably the most organic we've seen from the Duggars. Meeting through a friend is legitimate, and it gives me hope that maybe Jeremy likes her for the same reason that so many of us have a soft spot for Jinger. I doubt they're deeply in love, and I'm sure a huge part of his interest has to do with her being a good fit for the life he is intent on leading, but people have made happy marriages out of shakier beginnings.

I don't see something inherently suspect in his background either. He was a mid-level soccer player who couldn't hack it in the majors and got dropped down through the leagues until he likely didn't have any offers, and went with his fall back option: religion. Knowing soccer pretty well, I don't think for one second that he quit to pursue ministry, I think he lost his position and went with the next best thing. Which says that he's ambitious and pragmatic, but not the idiot (looking at you Derick) who would leave a semi-lucrative job to go panhandling for Jesus.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and this guy is terrible, but I'm willing to give it some time before I make any serious prognostications about their future happiness.

           This is pretty much word for word my take on him. 

       I think Jinger being a Duggar certainly was a big bonus to him. If anything he is an ambitious pastor, and likes being in the spotlight. I also believe the Duggars would be very careful, intentional, and thorough in choosing any new partners. (Awkward sentence I know) They need to gloss up thier image. It will be interesting to see where this goes five years from now.

[AmazonGrace]

But have the Duggars ever said so?

[Grimalkin]

11 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

But have the Duggars ever said so?

      Have they said what? Thread moving so fast it's hard to follow.

[Ungodly Grandma]

1 hour ago, Four is Enough said:

Whew! Finally caught up with this.

Thoughts:

If he's an established pastor, surely he's paid by his church. So he can whisk Jinger away and they can live as Mr. and Mrs. Pastor in Laredo.

Is Laredo larger than Tonitown? Big city problem solved.

She could become the new Tammy Faye Bakker. As much makeup as she wants, fashion of her own, and TEE-VEE ministree!

I'm hoping that they do get out of Arkansas.

 

1 hour ago, Four is Enough said:

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Laredo may be bigger than Tontitown, but that hardly qualifies it as a big city! Maybe to Jinger it will do, certain to be more exciting than T-Town. It might even have a Walmart.

Someone along the thread posted a picture of the church. It is actually a small residential house, in a neighborhood of private homes. Not sure how much it would pay. I don't know if he lives there or not.

She already is working on the Tammy Faye look. I was wondering if soccer players put those black smudges under their eyes like some other athletes do, maybe her raccoon eyes are part of what he finds attractive.

I hope they get out of Arkansas too, but moving to Texas seems to me out of the frying pan, into the fire. But at least it's away from her family.

[accountingstar]

Quote

Jinger Duggar has a boyfriend, and her soccer pro beau isn’t like the guys other Duggar daughters have dated; Jeremy Vuolo is a reformed wild child who once spent the night in jail. Now he’s a pastor at a Texas church with a website that boasts about “saving” gay men and Catholics.

Jeremy Vuolo’s religious views may stir up controversy as Duggar family critics find out more about him. The website for his church includes a few “testimonies” that might raise eyebrows, including one in which a man talks about how finding God “saved” him “from a homosexual lifestyle that consumed his life for 27 years.” In another, a girl is described as a “lost Catholic” who “realized that her goods works were filthy before God.” As the Inquisitr previously reported, Jessa Duggar has been criticized for her anti-gay and anti-Catholic views.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3219368/jinger-duggars-boyfriend-jeremy-vuolo-spent-night-in-jail-drank-and-partied-in-college/#qmwh7Fm8iJymTu2j.99

I am sure more stories will be coming about Jeremy. Really don't like that he is saving gay men.  I wish that Jinger had ended up with Lawson based on the information coming out about Jeremy.

[OrchidBlossom]

6 hours ago, Kaylo said:

There have been a lot of comments about watching his testimony and getting a "bad feeling." Of course you get a bad feeling, he is sharing his fundie testimony!

i didn't find him to be particularly scary or angry, just self-righteous, but they are all self-righteous. The videos where Bin is asking him questions though...my God. I have a particular bias against Bin, I'll admit it, because he is just so, so dumb. Achingly dumb. And his nasal voice - can someone send him some Flonase?!?!  By comparison, I find JerBear to possess unrivaled intelligence. But I'm comparing him to a lamp post. 

I'm glad not everyone shares the feeling I get, and I hope I am wrong. But he reminds me very much of some abusive (I don't just mean physically, but also emotionally, sexually, or financially) men I have known or interacted with. And Jinger is exactly the type of person an abusive person would seek out. I am very nervous for her. But I sincerely hope I am wrong and wish her the best (although at the very least I'm sure he will be more of the same).

[Nikedagain?]

Nope. Just nope. Don't like the word "meek" in this context. Don't like the Bin endorsement. Don't like his videos, SERIOUSLY fundie infomercials. 

And @VelociRapture you forgot the J-Rod crew rolling up in the griftermobile to sit on the front row. In white.