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OnceUponATime

Josh - back to selling used cars in plain sight -Part 17

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vspielman
4 hours ago, Carol said:

Well, I won't be sending anybody to you.  Rebar therapy is well known, well established theraputic tool used in the counseling field.  Used to straighten backs, straighten thinking, strengthen minds, strengthen hearts, etc. 

Rebarity...it works.  Or, you die.

This brilliant bit of dry wit made me laugh so loud I woke my sleeping cat!!!!  

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Gimme a Free RV
4 hours ago, Carol said:

Well, I won't be sending anybody to you.  Rebar therapy is well known, well established theraputic tool used in the counseling field.  Used to straighten backs, straighten thinking, strengthen minds, strengthen hearts, etc. 

Rebarity...it works.  Or, you die.

Well, Josh obviously failed marital blanket training by leaving Anna's blanket for someone else's.  He should get smacked with rebar.

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47of74
10 hours ago, PsyD2013 said:

Chris Hogan is so qualified - not - to be a marriage counselor.  His degree is  a BBA from  the University of Illinois Springfield.  From his Linkedin- "Chris helps men course correct and reconnect with their wives as a marriage coach, equips father's to understand the heart of their children and discover their niche in life."    

 

Yeah and his LinkedIn doesn't even say what his BBA was in.  Unless his focus was on human resources or organizational behavior a BBA on its own isn't what I think one would need for educational counseling.  Even if his focus was in one of those areas I still wouldn't think he'd be qualified to be a counselor just by having a BBA.  And from what I saw on this site a Masters is universally required pretty much across the board here in the US.

education.jhu.edu/media/files/CounselingState-By-StateLicensureRequirements.pdf

 

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Gimme a Free RV
32 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

After the scandal about Josh came out I realized why they married him off so quickly and young. They probably thought he's normal & now married to a lovely girl. 

If Anna saved the receipt, can she get a refund or exchange?

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Jana814
1 minute ago, Gimme a Free RV said:

If Anna saved the receipt, can she get a refund or exchange?

Would that be nice. 

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JesusCampSongs

Rebar was definitely never discussed in any of my clinical classes or internships. Guess I've been doing it wrong, too!

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Bad Wolf

I can't figure out what you do with the rebar. Use it like swords? Years ago they used to have couples fight each other with padded batons. (Maybe they still do.)

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EmCatlyn
2 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

I don't think we have any way of knowing how much they blame Anna.  I think everyone in the family - especially his oldest sisters - know what a dirtbag is he.   And I of course they all know his behavior was wrong.

But I think it's fair to say his parents were hoping/praying/expecting that marrying off Josh as quickly as they could would solve his problems, which they probably - simplistically - thought could be chocked up to him being oversexed.  Worked for Jim Bob and Michelle after all. Michelle was always ready, willing and able 24/7, Jim Bob is still interested in her and - as far as anyone knows - only her.

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How much blame they put on Josh vs Anna - who knows?  But I can't imagine his parents don't blame her at least in part, and given how they were raised it's possible some of his siblings (Jill?) feel the same way. 

 I agree that the JB and Michelle probably feel sure that if Anna had been different, Josh would have found it easier to resist temptation. And I think they blame her also for being oblivious to his porn watching and infidelity.  She blamed herself publicly for not having been tuned in to the stress he was under, etc.

However, I challenge the (to me) simplistic assumption that the fundie "marriage counseling" Josh and Anna are getting is all about having Anna accept the blame.  That doesn't fit with the family's recognition that Josh did wrong and needs help, nor does it fit with the patriarchal convention that a man cannot hide behind his wife (in the eyes of God) because he is the head of the family.    

IIRC, Yes, the Gothardites blame women. Yes, the Duggar parents probably blame Anna at least in part. BUT I think it is unlikely that the "marriage counseling" is about blaming Anna. (The biggest burden of adjustment is clearly going to be on her, of course.)

As you say, we are all just guessing. And for what it's worth my guess is that it is the Duggar brothers (JD, Joseph, etc.) who are more likely to blame Anna than Jill or the other older girls. 

Who knows, though.

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JenniferJuniper

I don't think there is any actual marriage counseling going on.

Although they may be doing stuff with rebar just to say they did.

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JesusCampSongs

If they do have another season of Duggar Whatever, I want to see some Rebar TherapyTM so I can know what I missed out on at my (accredited) grad school.

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notsofundie
10 hours ago, Toaster said:

Wait, what?! How is this a thing? I had to look this up, because wow.

Via the Google and Hollywood life: http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/04/30/19-kids-and-counting-recap-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-marriage-retreat/ :

"It seems the biggest issue Michelle wants to work on in their relationship is making sure Jim Bob actually listens and pays attention to her. They each perform trust exercises one-on-one with the counselor individually as well as couples chat sessions. Jim Bob does a bending rebar exercise, and learns that letting go of fear — as in letting go of the fear that the bar will impale your throat and kill you — is similar to moving forward in a relationship."

The FUCK?

I really hope that's some kind of mistake/misunderstanding,.. That's nuts (but none of us should be surprised at that). However, the article went on to say that several of the oldest girls (including Jana, Jinger, I forget who else) spoke to a group of teen girls and revealed that while none of them are dating they are actively observing some guys in their SCHOOL. Nope.

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nickelodeon

Praying that the Lord will spare Joshley from any tragic counseling accidents involving rebar!!11!

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Gossamer1
1 hour ago, JesusCampSongs said:

Rebar was definitely never discussed in any of my clinical classes or internships. Guess I've been doing it wrong, too!

Well that's what you get for going to an accredited school. Your education probably skipped right over blanket training too didn't it? 

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nst
14 minutes ago, nickelodeon said:

Praying that the Lord will spare Joshley from any tragic counseling accidents involving rebar!!11!

actually i created a voodoo doll so it would 

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Carol

 

20 minutes ago, Gossamer1 said:

Well that's what you get for going to an accredited school. Your education probably skipped right over blanket training too didn't it? 

Oh for heaven's sake, accredited schools are so overrated!  Just spend 6 months in Big Sur and you'll know everything. 

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Bad Wolf

If it's not covered at SOTDRT, it's not worth knowing.

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AnnaRuk09
1 hour ago, notsofundie said:

I really hope that's some kind of mistake/misunderstanding,.. That's nuts (but none of us should be surprised at that). However, the article went on to say that several of the oldest girls (including Jana, Jinger, I forget who else) spoke to a group of teen girls and revealed that while none of them are dating they are actively observing some guys in their SCHOOL. Nope.

I thought this article was of recent but just realized it's from 3 years ago. Yeah that school part was a fail. I remember that scene at the party with Jill, Jinger, Jana and Jessa was filmed for an episode. Hollywood gossip is probably one of those websites that likes to churn out some major bull. 

10 hours ago, 2manyKidzzz said:

@EmCatlyn. If you get my point, they are horribly misogynistic and do blame women. They are a cult. Not nice attitudes, controlling, blaming women, putting men at the lead of everything. Not unlike most misogynistic, fundamentalist religions, just more extreme. That is why Free Jinger exists. 

Was anything ever released on what led Hosh to go down that pathway? From what it all together sounds like, it seems as though Anna failed to pay 'meet his needs' as they would say. Perhaps she didn't pay attention to him and thus is why they sort of held her somewhat responsible. I think I heard Anna once say something along the lines of "it took a long time to get to this point."

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gustava

I think Josh would have cheated regardless to whom he was married.  He wanted to have sex that didn't lead to pregnancy, and he wanted to have sex with that frisson of  excitement that he didn't know how to find in marriage.

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Jana814
17 minutes ago, gustava said:

I think Josh would have cheated regardless to whom he was married.  He wanted to have sex that didn't lead to pregnancy, and he wanted to have sex with that frisson of  excitement that he didn't know how to find in marriage.

He probably wanted to have sex with someone who was completely different then the woman he was married too & didn't have 3 kids. 

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Gimme a Free RV
15 minutes ago, gustava said:

I think Josh would have cheated regardless to whom he was married.  He wanted to have sex that didn't lead to pregnancy, and he wanted to have sex with that frisson of  excitement that he didn't know how to find in marriage.

Cheaters gonna cheat.

Maybe he, like my ex, wanted a brood mare for his offspring--a live-in nanny and cook.  He got off on finding his thrills in risky, "catch-me-if-you-can" sex.

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formergothardite

IBLP marriage counseling. wonder if Gil Bates is going to lecture Josh on the dangers of sensual women. 

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Buzzard

Its amazing that they cant even PRETEND to send him to a licensed counselor and send him to the cult guy on the DL.

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formergothardite
39 minutes ago, Buzzard said:

Its amazing that they cant even PRETEND to send him to a licensed counselor and send him to the cult guy on the DL.

God, Gothard and Gil Bates approve of him, so he doesn't need any of that fancy book learning. 

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MoonFace

Just can't get it out of my head that with so many other reasons to not trust Joshy that they set him back up as a used car salesman.     

 

Maybe because, what the hell, he can't be trusted anyway so we'll give him a job that goes with the title?

Guess it's better than having him going house to house to sell Bibles...........

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devoe364

I firmly believe that the younger the Duggars try to marry 'em off the more problems (or what the Duggars see as problems) they have - at least with the boys. For Josh, they knew he had a more then is healthy interest in sex. However, Jim-Bob clearly had that same interest in his teens. He found Michelle, they courted, got married and he talked her into worshiping him and living a Godly life.

I think for J-B, it should have been EASY for Josh. He didn't have to go out and convert a sexy cheerleader. A nice Godly girl was all picked out for him. Let's be honest, Anna is quite pretty, so J-B did have his son's back in that. Now he can have all the s-e-x he wants without shame and judgement.

Except it didn't work, because it wasn't enough for Josh. He needs more help then a wife can provide, and its because he is the experiment his parents created. 

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