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If they bring Josh back this season, sure it will be ratings gold but would it be worth if for the endless criticism it will bring.

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1 hour ago, ksgranola1 said:

If they bring Josh back this season, sure it will be ratings gold but would it be worth if for the endless criticism it will bring.

Especially if he just wastes twenty minutes blaming some combination of Satan, the media, or the women he had the affairs with. It's much better for the future of the show if Josh stays out of sight.

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Josh apologize to Anna? I'm betting no freaking way. Wouldn't that lessen his status at the "headship"?

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2 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

If they bring Josh back this season, sure it will be ratings gold but would it be worth if for the endless criticism it will bring.

I really want him to get interviewed by someone who won't let him just give his predictable "Satan and sluts and the liberal media made me do it, and now everything's OK because I asked Jesus for forgiveness" spiel, and will actually hold him accountable. Be an accountability partner, if you will.

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13 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

The other day I saw a PBS program called "Perverts' Park" about a trailer park in Florida where recently released sex offenders live while they figure out what to do with their lives. The individuals that were profiled fit the stereotype for sex offenders: rough-looking, poorly educated, from dysfunctional homes, suffered horrific sexual abuse themselves as children, etc. In a way the people at Perverts' Park are "low hanging fruit" when it comes to apprehending sexual predators, since they tended to already be marginalized and/or maladjusted, and didn't deny what they had done. Many of them committed their offenses in such a way that they would easily be caught. Yet we all know sexual abuse happens in all walks of life and in all homes, not just among the types stereotyped as "white trash" or "ghetto." It suddenly occurred to me that the Josh Duggars and Brock Allen Turners of the world will never have to spend a day in a place like Perverts' Park, because they have the connections to evade being punished or present well-enough to outsiders that they think, "Well, someone like that could never be a sex offender." It's amazing that one class of sex offender are considered social pariahs, whereas "respectable" offenders like Josh Duggar are welcomed back into society (ATI society, anyway).

While I agree that class,  race, "appearance," and influence affect the likelihood that a person would be convicted of and get a record of a crime, it should be noted that when Josh molested his sisters and whomever, he was a minor.  Had his parents done the right thing and reported his offense immediately, he would have had therapy and because he was a juvenile the case would probably have been closed and done with.  In other words, he would have been protected by his youth, not his class, race, family influence or "good boy" appearance.

You are right, of course, that someone like Josh would not be forced to live in "pervert park" even if he had been tried and convicted of molesting his sisters as an adult.  He would have the "Christian forgiveness" of his community, and JB would always have some little shack where Josh could live.  Further, it is clear that in ATI/IBPL circles even the leadership may get away with sexual abuses.

 

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3 hours ago, Jana814 said:

Josh will NEVER apologize!!  

(As mentioned before, I think he apologized already.)

FWIW, the  final lines of his public much-revised confession stated:

"I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time."  (See Gawker:"Biggest Hypocrite Ever"for full confession and revisions.)

I would call this an apology.  And when he goes on TV and the speaker's circuit with his story of redemption, he will apologize again, because that is part of repenting and being good with God again.

That is not the same as accepting full responsibility.  I agree he will never accept full responsibility.

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Don't you have to mean it in order for your apology to work? Technically, yes, Josh did apologize to the public for being a liar and not hiding his transgressions well enough. But I doubt the thought of apologizing to Anna ever crossed his mind.

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1 minute ago, season of life said:

Don't you have to mean it in order for your apology to work? Technically, yes, Josh did apologize to the public for being a liar and not hiding his transgressions well enough. But I doubt the thought of apologizing to Anna ever crossed his mind.

Good question.  IMHO, an insincere apology is still an apology; it observes the formality of expressing regrets for what one did.  That is all that an apology needs to do.  Apologies range from sincere expressions of responsibility to formal, ritualistic expressions of regret that are uttered as mere courtesies.  I think Josh's statements fall somewhere in between.

I suspect Josh sincerely felt shame and regret when he asked for forgivenness in his confession last August.  And I think he is truly sorry to have caused his family, including Anna, pain.

However, because he seems to be a narcissist, I think he had to see himself as the victim of overwhelming forces.  It isn't, in his mind, that he was weak, hypocritical, selfish and careless.  He was Tempted by Satan and, though he struggled to be good, he Succumbed to Sin.  Satan defeated him briefly, but now Jesus has saved him (again).

He can sincerely say he is "Sorry," to everyone, including Anna, because he can tell himself he is being noble and heroically Christian by "accepting responsibility."  But of course, he isn't really accepting responsibility.  He is just saying the words of responsibility.

So, I distinguish between an apology that expresses regret without taking full responsibility and an apology that accepts the full responsibility.   I think Josh has no problem with the first type of apology.  I am sure he asked Anna to forgive him at some point during "rehab" if not before he left for rehab. It is easy enought to ask for forgiveness, to apologize for causing pain.

However that is not the same as coming home to "try to make it up" to Anna and win back her trust and respect through his contrition and truly changed behavior.  I am sure he has returned with the idea that she shares responsibility for his infidelity and I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't apologize to him for not being more aware of his needs and his temptation.  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

" I am sure he has returned with the idea that she shares responsibility for his infidelity and I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't apologize to him for not being more aware of his needs and his temptation.  "

Oh, ick.

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43 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

(As mentioned before, I think he apologized already.)

FWIW, the  final lines of his public much-revised confession stated:

"I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time."  (See Gawker:"Biggest Hypocrite Ever"for full confession and revisions.)

I would call this an apology.  And when he goes on TV and the speaker's circuit with his story of redemption, he will apologize again, because that is part of repenting and being good with God again.

That is not the same as accepting full responsibility.  I agree he will never accept full responsibility.

I agree, it is an important distinction between apologising and taking responsibility. The way it seems to work in these circles is that once you apologise, the injured party has to forgive you, they have no choice.  

Since Anna is committed to staying with him, what would really help her is not expressions of regret, but reassurance that it won't happen again. Attributing what he did to addiction does the opposite of this, it suggests that it could easily happen again and Josh would be powerless to stop it.

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3 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

 

Oh, ick.

Yeah.  But remember that in the early days after Josh went to prayhab, at least one source (unidentified but probably Amy) stated that Anna was blaming herself for not having known what was going on, for not being attuned to his needs, etc...  I am guessing that the "counseling" she has received has been along the lines of, "Yes, your husband betrayed his wedding vows and that is a sin.  However, you failed him also by not realizing what was going on and bringing him back to Jesus. So when he returns you must work extra hard to offer support and understanding so that he will be able to resist the temptation to stray again."

That is why it wouldn't surprise me if they apologized to each other, and I suspect that she would be sincere.

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In fundie land if a man cheats or commits a sexual crime, it's always the wife's fault. If the Duggars weren't on tv, Josh would not have been sent to Jesus rehab. That was a stunt to give TLC and the Duggars an opportunity to save the show.

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7 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

While I agree that class,  race, "appearance," and influence affect the likelihood that a person would be convicted of and get a record of a crime, it should be noted that when Josh molested his sisters and whomever, he was a minor.  Had his parents done the right thing and reported his offense immediately, he would have had therapy and because he was a juvenile the case would probably have been closed and done with.  In other words, he would have been protected by his youth, not his class, race, family influence or "good boy" appearance.

You are right, of course, that someone like Josh would not be forced to live in "pervert park" even if he had been tried and convicted of molesting his sisters as an adult.  He would have the "Christian forgiveness" of his community, and JB would always have some little shack where Josh could live.  Further, it is clear that in ATI/IBPL circles even the leadership may get away with sexual abuses.

 

I agree that because Josh was a minor he wouldn't have had the same experience as the residents of Perverts' Park. But if JB and Michelle had handled the situation appropriately and not swept it under the rug, he would have had some contact with the juvenile justice system and would have been removed from the home, since that is where the bulk of his victims lived. He would not have been heralded as an ideal Christian man to the community. Even if his records were sealed, Tonitown is small enough and the pre-TLC Duggars notorious enough on a local scale that everyone would have known that Josh went to juvie and couldn't return home even if they didn't know the details. At the time the molestations happened, JB was already a public figure and this kind of scandal would have derailed his political and TV aspirations, especially since he claimed to be in favor of the death penalty for incest when it was happening right under his nose.

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There seems to be a lot of "I'm sorry but..." coming from Josh and from his family members speaking for him.

I'm sorry but I was young. I'm sorry but I was curious about girls. I'm sorry but porn. I'm sorry but sex addiction. I'm sorry but the devil. I'm sorry but the liberal media. Etc. Etc.

So yes, he's apologized, and likely will continue to do so... but the accountability has been very partial, and I suspect that will continue too.

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I agree, it is an important distinction between apologising and taking responsibility. The way it seems to work in these circles is that once you apologise, the injured party has to forgive you, they have no choice.  

Since Anna is committed to staying with him, what would really help her is not expressions of regret, but reassurance that it won't happen again. Attributing what he did to addiction does the opposite of this, it suggests that it could easily happen again and Josh would be powerless to stop it.


Poor woman will have to spread her legs even more to make up for hubby's slip
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18 hours ago, doggie said:


Poor woman will have to spread her legs even more to make up for hubby's slip

Ok so I (definitely more sincerely than Smugger) apologies if this has been brought up before, I'm more of a casual reader. Your comment sparked a thought for me. I wonder if he is using his cheating/porn/etc against Anna - ie, it was your fault I cheated so tend to my every sexual whim or I'll cheat again. I hope I'm wrong here because grosssss. 

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Actually this cult does blame wives when their husbands cheat. So, yes, he may do that to Anna.

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http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2016/07/blind-item-2-1337.html

Hoping this could be someone else, but the evidence points to Smuggar. I guess I am right with once a cheater, always a cheater. Looks like Josh just can't keep it inside his pants with Anna Duggar being oblivious to it. This really does not surprise me in anyway as Josh Duggar will always find ways to cheat on Anna, but this time he has to be more discrete. Take this again with a huge grain of salt as I think this is being timed to coincide with his return. 

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17 minutes ago, religiouslyconfused said:

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2016/07/blind-item-2-1337.html

Hoping this could be someone else, but the evidence points to Smuggar. I guess I am right with once a cheater, always a cheater. Looks like Josh just can't keep it inside his pants with Anna Duggar being oblivious to it. This really does not surprise me in anyway as Josh Duggar will always find ways to cheat on Anna, but this time he has to be more discrete. Take this again with a huge grain of salt as I think this is being timed to coincide with his return. 

But would Josh have ever been considered an A-list reality star?

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6 minutes ago, Purrl said:

But would Josh have ever been considered an A-list reality star?

CDAN in the first cheating blind listed him as B list! Though you could consider the Duggar family as an A list (Especially Jim Bob and Michelle!)

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Please, stop posting things from that site. They make things up, there are other blind gossip site that are more trustworthy worthy. And even if you post, don't take those words like kem ham takes the bible

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On 7/17/2016 at 10:14 AM, Cleopatra7 said:

[Jim Bob] claimed to be in favor of the death penalty for incest when it was happening right under his nose.

 

I have never forgotten this, and somewhere on the internet, his website stating this is still lurking around.

Funny how he adapts it now to suit his needs. Joshy Boy can't be hurt after all!!! 

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In fundie land if a man cheats or commits a sexual crime, it's always the wife's fault. If the Duggars weren't on tv, Josh would not have been sent to Jesus rehab. That was a stunt to give TLC and the Duggars an opportunity to save the show.



I think if they didn't have a show and things came to light within the family that he had cheated and all, it never would have left the TTH. But I think they might have still sent him away to rehab based on his pornography "addiction." In fact, the fact that he mentioned it in his public apology (when nobody even knew about that!) makes me think that the porn is just as big of a deal to them as the cheating. But of course, Anna could have prevented all of this...
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Tony Perkins was interviewed on PBS'd coverage of the convention last night. All I could think of was Josh.

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