Josh - back to selling used cars in plain sight -Part 17

[Purrl]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/josh-duggar-wont-apologize-for-sex-abuse-and-adultery-he-believes-external-forces-were-to-blame/

So, Josh "may or may not" be returning to TV on Counting On.

If so: “Josh will cover everything and he will maintain the family line that God has saved his soul and guided him back to the right path,” the source said. “But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

[jas]

1 hour ago, Purrl said:

he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior."

I think that is exactly what the "porn addiction" is, an attempt to locate the source of control outside of himself. My guess is that it is much more likely that he has a normal, understandable and very common desire to watch porn and masturbate. But when you call it an addiction it is like an illness that Josh has no say in and has to be "cured". 

I don't know how they went about curing him of his desire to cheat on his wife though. I have yet to hear of any "unfaithfulness addiction"!

[Imagine20]

The old "devil made me do it" excuse. He really should shake it up a bit.  Maybe he could make it demon possession made me do it, or a witch put a spell on me. They could do a special episode about Josh's exorcism.

Or, since he's a grown man who molested his sisters and cheated on his wife he could own his bad actions, sincerely apologize, and then move on with the help of a real counselor. Who am I kidding? That's never going to happen.  

[CoveredInBees]

1 hour ago, Imagine20 said:

The old "devil made me do it" excuse. He really should shake it up a bit.

Yeah it's the five year old covered in chocolate blaming his imaginary friend......... most people grow out of that phase  

[MatthewDuggar]

I have no doubt he'll be back on the porn, if he's not already.  In Smugs case, I have a feeling it's more about "control" than it is "sex".

[fraurosena]

I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks he must have some really special soul to be singled out by big bad Satan tempting him to stray from God's righteous path every time. The Devil is really doing his damnedest to shake his faith. Cause winning Josh's soul would be another notch for Satan's belt, you know. 

And it could well be that it's the argument Anna and the rest of the family use as mental gymnastics, in order to 'make right what's crooked', as we say in my country. 

[sj3339sta]

Ok, is watching porn a good idea?  No, probably not.  But watching porn is not the gateway sin to infidelity or molesting your sisters.  There are much MUCH larger problems in his brain and the focus on porn just pisses me off to no end.  

[EmCatlyn]

8 hours ago, Purrl said:

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/josh-duggar-wont-apologize-for-sex-abuse-and-adultery-he-believes-external-forces-were-to-blame/

So, Josh "may or may not" be returning to TV on Counting On.

If so: “Josh will cover everything and he will maintain the family line that God has saved his soul and guided him back to the right path,” the source said. “But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

The article also says that the Duggars are "hurting for money," which I believe is nonsense (especially along with the implication that they are scrounging food from fast-food giveaways out of need rather than just greed).  

And although I agree that he is blaming "external forces" (though "Satan's fortress in his heart " sounds somewhat internalized to me), he has, from the beginning, used the rhetoric of accepting personal responsibility and asking for forgiveness.  To me, this constitutes "apologizing."

Yes, "the devil made me do it," is not the same as admitting that you are inherently a self-centered, sex-obsessed hypocrite.  He will not be taking real responsibility.  But I am sure that he will say he is sorry to have succumbed to Satan and regrets having hurt and disappointed others.

All in all, the article says nothing new or definitive.

[sj3339sta]

43 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

The article also says that the Duggars are "hurting for money," which I believe is nonsense (especially along with the implication that they are scrounging food from fast-food giveaways out of need rather than just greed).  

And although I agree that he is blaming "external forces" (though "Satan's fortress in his heart " sounds somewhat internalized to me), he has, from the beginning, used the rhetoric of accepting personal responsibility and asking for forgiveness.  To me, this constitutes "apologizing."

Yes, "the devil made me do it," is not the same as admitting that you are inherently a self-centered, sex-obsessed hypocrite.  He will not be taking real responsibility.  But I am sure that he will say he is sorry to have succumbed to Satan and regrets having hurt and disappointed others.

All in all, the article says nothing new or definitive.

Hurting for money is relative.  There is zero way they keep up their lifestyle without TLC.

[Kitcae]

Ugh, and now he's trending on Facebook again.

[Buzzard]

12 minutes ago, Kitcae said:

Ugh, and now he's trending on Facebook again.

Why?  I dont see anything on mine

[sj3339sta]

1 minute ago, Buzzard said:

Why?  I dont see anything on mine

Because TLC put out a statement that Josh will NOT be back for this season.

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, sj3339sta said:

Because TLC put out a statement that Josh will NOT be back for this season.

THIS season... 

[sj3339sta]

1 minute ago, Buzzard said:

THIS season... 

You caught that too.  If TLC needs the ratings, they will bring him back in a non-duggar time minute.

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, sj3339sta said:

Hurting for money is relative.  There is zero way they keep up their lifestyle without TLC.

Agreed-- but the article implied that their participation in free-food offers was because they were hurting for money.  And that just isn't the case.  The Duggars could be super rich and still go scrounge donuts and chik-fil-a in costumes.  They always want more.

Plus they ARE getting TLC money, so though they may be getting less than before, I doubt that they are "hurting."  Really, if they are hurting for money, fewer family  trips to Central America would save them a bunch.

The article seemed to exaggerate and distort, and I don't think "they may or may not put Josh on TLC" is exactly definitive news.  

My guess, for what it's worth, is that Josh won't be included in this season of "Counting Down," but that Discovery or another related channel may do a special interview about what it feels like to be a Christian who sins, the shame, the scandal, his repentance . . . This way they haven't lied when they said TLC wouldn't show him in Counting On THIS season and they can get the ratings.  And, after he has publicly apologized and begun his pilgrimage to redemption, they can ease him into another season or maybe even create a new show around him and Anna.  

Whatever brings in the ratings.

[sj3339sta]

I'm pretty sure all the trips are funded by TLC.

 

[EmCatlyn]

4 minutes ago, sj3339sta said:

I'm pretty sure all the trips are funded by TLC.

 

I thought we had agreed that the trips where there was no filming for the show were not paid for by TLC.  The budget for Counting On seems to be less than the budget for 19K.  

[December]

30 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

My guess, for what it's worth, is that Josh won't be included in this season of "Counting Down," but that Discovery or another related channel may do a special interview about what it feels like to be a Christian who sins, the shame, the scandal, his repentance . . . This way they haven't lied when they said TLC wouldn't show him in Counting On THIS season and they can get the ratings.  And, after he has publicly apologized and begun his pilgrimage to redemption, they can ease him into another season or maybe even create a new show around him and Anna.  

Agreed. The phrasing seems to be deliberate. By this point, they realize that even after Joshgate and Joshley Madison scandals, there are still many people willing to watch the Duggar shows. Not to mention, I'm sure they would get insane ratings on an episode if it was anticipated he'd show up. So they're gonna follow the money, just like they did with Counting On. It's very sobering to realize that many people are still genuinely watching it because they support the family, including the way they handled the scandals, and not just hate-watching it. 

[Whipple]

38 minutes ago, December said:

Agreed. The phrasing seems to be deliberate. By this point, they realize that even after Joshgate and Joshley Madison scandals, there are still many people willing to watch the Duggar shows. Not to mention, I'm sure they would get insane ratings on an episode if it was anticipated he'd show up. So they're gonna follow the money, just like they did with Counting On. It's very sobering to realize that many people are still genuinely watching it because they support the family, including the way they handled the scandals, and not just hate-watching it. 

I don't think the "supporters" have the same fervor as they once did and I think their numbers also include those who are holding out hope that the girls can live a life that is different than their parents, even if in some very small ways. Also, I do think the Duggar's are desperate to keep themselves in the news. They are probably thinking that any news is good news so let's everyone dress up like a cow or a pirate and we will make the tabloids. After all they keep posting pictures of their babies that are sure to elicit comment from FJ and others and possibly even making the news. Absent another scandal, there is no news to report and their 15 minutes is over. It would be interesting if everyone would just quit commenting on their photos; how far would the Duggars go to make the tabloids.

[ksgranola1]

13 hours ago, Purrl said:

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/josh-duggar-wont-apologize-for-sex-abuse-and-adultery-he-believes-external-forces-were-to-blame/

So, Josh "may or may not" be returning to TV on Counting On.

If so: “Josh will cover everything and he will maintain the family line that God has saved his soul and guided him back to the right path,” the source said. “But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

Gee Josh, have some accountability. I hope he at least apologized Anna.

What a prick.

[Jana814]

16 minutes ago, ksgranola1 said:

Gee Josh, have some accountability. I hope he at least apologized Anna.

What a prick.

I doubt he did. 

[EmCatlyn]

6 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

I doubt he did. 

Let's keep in mind that it is an unnamed source in a tabloid that is saying:

"But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

This sounds just like what we expect to hear about the Smuggar--but is it true? 

Blaming "external forces" does not mean that a person won't say he is sorry.  You can be sorry and still feel that in spite of what you did you are not a bad or sinful person. More importantly, saying that you are sorry is easy.  In my opinion, it is probably the first thing Josh did, after confessing to JB.  ("Dad, I allowed Satan to build a fortress in my heart.  I am sorry I didn't resist temptation better.")

I am pretty sure also that Josh has made some sort of apology to Anna.  It was probably something along the lines of, "I am sorry that my sins have caused you pain," and it may not have gone too deeply into how humiliated and deceived she must have felt, but he has said "sorry."  Why not, when it is just words and saying them  will make people less angry at him?

This is not to say that I think he will feel sincere remorse or regret for how he has hurt others.  He is probably more sorry for himself, that Satan targetted him, that he has a porno addiction, that he got caught.  But saying that you are sorry is easy.  I can't imagine that Josh would hesitate to "apologize" if it meant he would be forgiven sooner

 

[MatthewDuggar]

As soon as they sell of their private planes, then I might believe they are "hurting" for money.

[zebra #13]

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I doubt he did. 

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he did:  words don't seem to mean a hella lot to that boy.  If it makes life easier, say it!   And then just keep on keepin' on, and hopin' and prayin' you don't get caught the next time. . . .

[Cleopatra7]

18 hours ago, Purrl said:

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/josh-duggar-wont-apologize-for-sex-abuse-and-adultery-he-believes-external-forces-were-to-blame/

So, Josh "may or may not" be returning to TV on Counting On.

If so: “Josh will cover everything and he will maintain the family line that God has saved his soul and guided him back to the right path,” the source said. “But one thing you probably won’t hear is that he’s actually sorry, as he believes that external forces were to blame for his behavior.”

The other day I saw a PBS program called "Perverts' Park" about a trailer park in Florida where recently released sex offenders live while they figure out what to do with their lives. The individuals that were profiled fit the stereotype for sex offenders: rough-looking, poorly educated, from dysfunctional homes, suffered horrific sexual abuse themselves as children, etc. In a way the people at Perverts' Park are "low hanging fruit" when it comes to apprehending sexual predators, since they tended to already be marginalized and/or maladjusted, and didn't deny what they had done. Many of them committed their offenses in such a way that they would easily be caught. Yet we all know sexual abuse happens in all walks of life and in all homes, not just among the types stereotyped as "white trash" or "ghetto." It suddenly occurred to me that the Josh Duggars and Brock Allen Turners of the world will never have to spend a day in a place like Perverts' Park, because they have the connections to evade being punished or present well-enough to outsiders that they think, "Well, someone like that could never be a sex offender." It's amazing that one class of sex offender are considered social pariahs, whereas "respectable" offenders like Josh Duggar are welcomed back into society (ATI society, anyway).