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meda

Annual "God requires submissive women" conference happening now

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meda

The usual suspects at the "Council on Biblical manhood and Womanhood" (can we say self parody?) have scheduled 2 days and 27 speakers to explain to the unenlightened why women are inferior.  It seems like they have rounded up a new crop of submission fetishists, I only recognize a few of the speakers.

http://cbmw.org/2016-preconference

The topics include such gems as:

"Jackie Hill-Perry Testimony: My Journey Out of Lesbianism to Complementarianism"

Also check out the twitter hashtag #CBMW16 for pictures and some hilarious smack downs of the speakers. Rachel Held Evens is having a field day with this.

 

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seattlechic

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO --- this is too much fun. 

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Elegant Mess
35 minutes ago, meda said:

The topics include such gems as:

"Jackie Hill-Perry Testimony: My Journey Out of Lesbianism to Complementarianism"

Sounds like Ex-Gay Greg should gift her with an embroidered sweater of proclamation!  :pb_lol:  

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Four is Enough

Oh, I just can't.

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MamaJunebug
17 minutes ago, Loveday said:

Is 'complementarity' even a word? :ABON:

Well, sure! It's code for "patriarchy," but in disguise so you won't *think* it's patriarchy!!!

ETA::  Male speakers get 15- or 20-minute blocks of time. 

Females get 10 minutes. 

"Not the same, but equal," my exoskeleton! 

Edited by MamaJunebug

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Palimpsest

Didn't John Piper invent the word complementarianism?

Fuck that for a lark.

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AnywhereButHere
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Complementarianism is the theological view that although men and women are created equal in their being and personhood, they are created to complement each other via different roles and responsibilities as manifested in marriage, family life, religious leadership, and elsewhere. It is rooted in more literal interpretations of the Creation account and the roles of men and women presented in Scripture. It is also known as the Traditionalist or Hierarchical view.

(from Theopedia.com)

Ahhh, so it's kind of like the tax code, you know, like how to explain something simple (like patriarchy) while using big words, so you don't know how badly you're getting screwed. :pb_razz:

Out of the 7 hours of speakers (yes I added that up) over the 2 days, there is a whole half hour devoted to telling men how to live their lives, so basically, this is two days of soundbites on how to become a docile helpmeet.

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older than allosaurs

Showing their relative hipness, the family and colleagues (lot of overlap there) over at Doug Wilson's Empire of the Palouse titled the female part of their just-concluded conference, "Dangerous Women."  Theirs was free, too. Other topics included Sexual Apologetics and the main feature, Darwin's Dead End.

 

 

 

Edited by older than allosaurs
to fix a comma

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Palimpsest

@older than allosaurs

Good grief!  Any chance of a link.  I've rather lost track of Doug Wilson's iniquities.

Or should that be inequities?

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hoipolloi
59 minutes ago, Elegant Mess said:

Sounds like Ex-Gay Greg should gift her with an embroidered sweater of proclamation!  :pb_lol:  

According to her bio, Ms. Hill-Perry was saved from "a lifestyle of homosexual sin and the like."

What does "the like" mean here? Murder 1? Arson? Grand Larceny? Wearing pants?

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Crocoduck
1 minute ago, hoipolloi said:

According to her bio, Ms. Hill-Perry was saved from "a lifestyle of homosexual sin and the like."

What does "the like" mean here? Murder 1? Arson? Grand Larceny? Wearing pants?

She was saved from a lifetime of happiness with her own choices.

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ladyamylynn

Complementarity and its Impact in the Greco-Roman World, a topic that takes a whole 15 minutes to cover! How scholarly.

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older than allosaurs
18 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

@older than allosaurs

Good grief!  Any chance of a link.  I've rather lost track of Doug Wilson's iniquities.

Or should that be inequities?

http://graceagenda.com/

I watched the video clip--first time hearing DW talk. I do see why he can seem friendly and reasonable, assuming you entirely disregard the actual content, to people who see him up close.

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Palimpsest
2 minutes ago, older than allosaurs said:

http://graceagenda.com/

I watched the video clip--first time hearing DW talk. I do see why he can seem friendly and reasonable, assuming you entirely disregard the actual content, to people who see him up close.

Thank you so much.  This is glorious.  From the Sexual Apologetics description, my bolding:

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We live in a time of sexual pandemonium, which is not really the same thing as living in a time of widespread immorality. The target is not sexual taboos, but rather Western civilization -- with the weaponizing of breaking sexual taboos. With that in mind, we need to be equipped, not in the defense of particular sexual customs, but rather equipped for the defense of the West.

Delusional much?

The problem is that many of these assholes spout hatred cloaked with personality and charm.  

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happy atheist
1 hour ago, Elegant Mess said:

Sounds like Ex-Gay Greg should gift her with an embroidered sweater of proclamation!  :pb_lol:  

 

26 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Thank you so much.  This is glorious.  From the Sexual Apologetics description, my bolding:

Delusional much?

The problem is that many of these assholes spout hatred cloaked with personality and charm.  

:boom:"Proclaiming My Sexuality Through Embroidered Outer Garments"

and

"Weaponizing Broken Taboos in a Time of Sexual Pandemonium"

are our newest post count titles!

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Elegant Mess
8 minutes ago, happy atheist said:

 

:boom:"Proclaiming My Sexuality Through Embroidered Outer Garments"

and

"Weaponizing Broken Taboos in a Time of Sexual Pandemonium"

are our newest post count titles!

@happy atheist, for a Fun Killer, you sure know how to bring a lot of fun to FJ!

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bertnee

Are men in the audience at this event? If so, then isn't "unbiblical" for the women presenters to speak with authority in the presence of men? I thought that's why they don't like lady pastors?

Edited by bertnee
grammar

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Mercer

I'm not a submissive type and I wasn't raised that way, so I admittedly don't really get this whole thing, but I just can't fathom what there is to say about it over the course of a multi-day conference, let alone doing so on an annual basis.

Is it really that complicated?

If "gender roles" are natural and ordained by God, shouldn't they come a little more... well.... naturally? Shouldn't the fact that it takes so much effort and explanation be a clue that maybe it's not something that comes from within? 

It just seems odd to me to claim something is "the way God made us" but then everyone has to put in so much work and listen to hours of instruction to actually fit the mold. 

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Handmaiden of Dog
2 hours ago, Loveday said:

Is 'complementarity' even a word? :ABON:

It has both legal and scientific meanings.  In Law it means the principle that jurisdictions will not overlap in legislation, administration, or prosecution of crime.  In Physics it is the concept that  two contrasted theories may be able to explain a set of phenomena, although each separately only accounts for some aspects.

I'm guessing that the religious meaning is something like this:  Men and women are complementary but their jurisdictions cannot overlap.  Men have a penis like God has a penis so they get the last word and are God-like human beings with powerful hunger for women (which is why women must be modest so they don't arouse these hungers.)  Women, on the other hand have a uterus which makes them weak and ungod-like.  Men do not have uteri which is where babies come from therefore they should only admire their offspring from a lofty, patriarchal perch which leaves women to stay home and raise the children.

God has given women a high, tremulous voice which is bad for speaking in crowds and good for conveying worshipful admiration. God has also made women smaller overall for a reason, because someone has to be the boss and the biggest guy gets to control everything, therefore there is no confusion as to Who's The Boss.  Women's brains are smaller and so they must not make major decisions. Men have the strong muscles to push a lawn mower around but women are closer to the ground and therefore can more easily clean the toilets. As for cooking...do you remember that part about Men having powerful hungers?  Yes that is why they should not do the cooking because they would cook too much food. Finally their hands are too big and too strong to wash the dishes because they would smash all the china.

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Cleopatra7
2 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

According to her bio, Ms. Hill-Perry was saved from "a lifestyle of homosexual sin and the like."

What does "the like" mean here? Murder 1? Arson? Grand Larceny? Wearing pants?

The "and the like" probably practicing witchcraft and aborting babies, because that seems to be all fundies think feminists and/or lesbians do.

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hoipolloi
1 minute ago, Cleopatra7 said:

The "and the like" probably practicing witchcraft and aborting babies, because that seems to be all fundies think feminists and/or lesbians do.

Found a Wikipedia article which says "the like" = drugs, pornography & rebellion.

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older than allosaurs

Lucky for us, especially us women who can't hold too much in our heads at once, CBMW is posting daily speaker summaries -- http://cbmw.org/topics/news-and-announcements/cbmw-pre-conference-day-one-summaries/

for example:

Jason Allen | Complementarity and the Disappearance of Men

The church must recover biblical manhood–Christian masculinity, or sanctified testosterone.

5 Proposals to Recovery the Reappearance of Men:

We must hold high the truths of biblical complementarity with confidence.

We must be committed to preaching the text of Scripture, and preaching it with authority.

We must cultivate male leadership in form and function.

Lets us build an intentional intergeneration of men.

Let us equip and empower men into male leadership in our churches.

and

H.B. Charles Jr | The Spiritual Power of a Godly Man:  The spiritual power of a godly man is only acknowledged when we understand our full weakness and dependence upon him.

 

and Spiritual Sounding Board is monitoring the Twitter feed. "Sanctified testosterone" is getting lots of play, as indeed it should.


 

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Coconut Flan

When we cleaned out my mom and stepdad's house we found one of those Biblical womanhood books and the daughters decided to keep it.  They wanted to cackle over it and also didn't want anyone to get it who might by chance fall for the teaching.

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kpmom

"Our T4G Pre-Conference has begun. Over the next 2-days, we will here 27 speakers define one single vision on the beauty of complementarian theology as it applies to different avenues within the church and culture. Follow along here for day one updates and speaker summaries."

 

Apparently no one there has caught the vision of the beauty of proper spelling.

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