Duggars cooking and gardening - part 2

[OnceUponATime]

I went on a milk chocolate investigation. I'm surprised how much the nutritional info varies among milk chocolate

Spoiler

it's per 100g info (gained from uk-based shop websites )

 

1 hour ago, Gobbles said:

it took me 25 years to find out what "Eiweiß" means in English

It took me about 6 months of wondering why Germans wanted to know how much egg white was in everything before I looked it up and found out it meant protein.

 

[Gobbles]

3 hours ago, OnceUponATime said:

5 hours ago, Gobbles said:

it took me 25 years to find out what "Eiweiß" means in English

It took me about 6 months of wondering why Germans wanted to know how much egg white was in everything before I looked it up and found out it meant protein.

It all makes so much sense now!! 

[EmCatlyn]

18 hours ago, Gobbles said:

Germany, Ritter Sport chocolate (because it is right next to me, I normally prefer Milka):

Flavour is normal milk chocolate with vanilla mouse.

Per 100g: 586kcal, 40g fat, 51g sugar, 5,4g protein (it took me 25 years to find out what "Eiweiß" means in English, thanks FJ!) and 0,19g salt.

I never had US chocolate and I also never had British one. I love Milka, but Ritter Sport is not bad either. The factory is close to where I live and you can book guided tours there.

I heard that McDonalds tastes different here in the EU or maybe even in each country. One thing for sure: The sizes are different. I read that you have really huge coke cups, biggest size here is 0,5l if I remember it right at McDonalds. I rarely order drinks, they are too expensive for my liking, I'd rather eat another hamburger for that price. ;-)

In the US, most if not all places give you free refills on fountain (as opposed to bottled) drinks.  My husband, who is a big Coca-Cola drinker, really missed this when we were in Europe.  

My preference is for European milk chocolate, possibly because of the sugar and also the quality of the milk as well as the cacao.  I tend to like Lindt or Tobler (Swiss) best, followed by Valor (Spain), Cadbury and Milka.  American chocolate, unless it is gourmet, usually doesn't interest me.

[Gobbles]

@EmCatlyn

I love Lindt, but have a hard time eating it because they support Autism Speaks. But it is chocolate so it is so hard to boycott and they make the best pralines... 

I think you get free refills here now too. Not sure. What I noticed it that in Spain you get a bigger fries portion at Burger King than in Germany. You pay more ofc, but can't buy that size here. So annoying. 

When I was in Denmark in December I was shocked by their prices for sweets. They have a special tax on them because of the sugar or something. I knew that and thankfully I have brought sweets with me. 

[EmCatlyn]

17 hours ago, Gobbles said:

@EmCatlyn

I love Lindt, but have a hard time eating it because they support Autism Speaks. But it is chocolate so it is so hard to boycott and they make the best pralines... 

I think you get free refills here now too. Not sure. What I noticed it that in Spain you get a bigger fries portion at Burger King than in Germany. You pay more ofc, but can't buy that size here. So annoying. 

When I was in Denmark in December I was shocked by their prices for sweets. They have a special tax on them because of the sugar or something. I knew that and thankfully I have brought sweets with me. 

What is the problem with Autism Speaks?  I thought they just wanted to raise awareness about the needs of autistic people or something. Do they have some controversial doctrine?

When I was a kid, there was only one place in to get European chocolate in the area where I lived, and that was like 2 blocks from my mother's place of work.  It was one reason my brother and I liked to visit her at work.

 

[choralcrusader8613]

5 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

What is the problem with Autism Speaks?  I thought they just wanted to raise awareness about the needs of autistic people or something. Do they have some controversial doctrine?

Here's one blog post that talks about the issues with Autism Speaks:

https://thecaffeinatedautistic.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/why-i-am-against-autism-speaks-and-you-should-be-too-2/

[samira_catlover]

OK, folks: would it be worthwhile to ask the mods or someone knowledgeable to maybe set up a separate thread somewhere for solid prepper-type info?  

NO, not talking "how to make tinfoil hats".  But somewhere for Back-to-the-Landers and/or preppers to say "here's a great link that showed me a plan to make a wind-powered washing machine", or "here's a couple of really basic titles that might come in handy, like Where There Is No Doctor (and good/bad stuff about that title).  Or "this book has a LOT of really basic How To Do Stuff, and I found it very handy"?

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, choralcrusader8613 said:

Here's one blog post that talks about the issues with Autism Speaks:

https://thecaffeinatedautistic.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/why-i-am-against-autism-speaks-and-you-should-be-too-2/

Thanks, that is very interesting.  I had only heard of Autism Speaks in passing in the media, so I had no idea.  It is possible that Lindt doesn't either.

[samurai_sarah]

1 hour ago, samira_catlover said:

OK, folks: would it be worthwhile to ask the mods or someone knowledgeable to maybe set up a separate thread somewhere for solid prepper-type info?  

NO, not talking "how to make tinfoil hats".  But somewhere for Back-to-the-Landers and/or preppers to say "here's a great link that showed me a plan to make a wind-powered washing machine", or "here's a couple of really basic titles that might come in handy, like Where There Is No Doctor (and good/bad stuff about that title).  Or "this book has a LOT of really basic How To Do Stuff, and I found it very handy"?

Here you are:

 

[sawasdee]

1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

Thanks, that is very interesting.  I had only heard of Autism Speaks in passing in the media, so I had no idea.  It is possible that Lindt doesn't either.

I followed a link from that link, and came across this:

http://www.autistichoya.com/2013/01/judge-rotenberg-center-survivors-letter.html

It is a letter from a 'patient' at the Judge Rotenberg Center, an institution with a booth at an Autism Speaks event. This center uses shocks applied through electrodes on the body to try and correct behavioural tics.

It is one of the most painful things I have ever read, and that such things are happening in Massachusetts today is horrifying.

The 'treatments' have been condemned by UN reporters as torture.

Can't speak.

[samira_catlover]

Whooohoo, and tyvm! Now I need to learn how to scan stuff and upload it (when more awake), but thanks so much!

[Gobbles]

I was at work, but @sawasdee and @choralcrusader8613 already posted some links. I doubt that a company as huge as Lindt doesn't check them out before they support something. That would be pretty careless imho. 

I just add one link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/autism-speaks-but-should-everyone-listen.html

 

[Thorns]

Bumping an old thread, because I was reading FJ in between kitchening...

And seriously, how I feel for those kids. Cream of crap, tater tot casserole, probably only white storebought crappy bread... I would have though being great in the kitchen and actually feeding your kids properly a minimum for a stay at home mum?

Start overnight porrige in the evening. Served with milk, honey, berries, cinnamon in the morning. I can see baking bread for 21 people being a stretch, so maybe not that. Dinner baked root vegetables and protein of choice, or vegetable based soups or stews with protein of choice. You can even add cream to get a stronger dish. Or spanish omelette. Or pasta with vegetable sauce. 

I'm not american, so I wouldn't know how the prices compare, and I get that perishables requires more planning than a pantry with canned goods. But here you can get large quantities of fresh frozen vegetables cheap. Needs freezer room, yes, but rotating through it in a week or so would suffice. 

Or is it just the number of arrows that count, and not the qualities of said arrows? (silly me, I know). 

Sorry, rant over, carry on

[MargaretElliott]

36 minutes ago, Thorns said:

-snip- I can see baking bread for 21 people being a stretch, so maybe not that. -snip-

But wasn't one of the things they bragged about was that they did make all their own bread? I have a vague memory of Jana with a bunch of loafs in one of the earlier TTH specials...

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

32 minutes ago, Thorns said:

Bumping an old thread, because I was reading FJ in between kitchening...

And seriously, how I feel for those kids. Cream of crap, tater tot casserole, probably only white storebought crappy bread... I would have though being great in the kitchen and actually feeding your kids properly a minimum for a stay at home mum?

Start overnight porrige in the evening. Served with milk, honey, berries, cinnamon in the morning. I can see baking bread for 21 people being a stretch, so maybe not that. Dinner baked root vegetables and protein of choice, or vegetable based soups or stews with protein of choice. You can even add cream to get a stronger dish. Or spanish omelette. Or pasta with vegetable sauce. 

I'm not american, so I wouldn't know how the prices compare, and I get that perishables requires more planning than a pantry with canned goods. But here you can get large quantities of fresh frozen vegetables cheap. Needs freezer room, yes, but rotating through it in a week or so would suffice. 

Or is it just the number of arrows that count, and not the qualities of said arrows? (silly me, I know). 

Sorry, rant over, carry on

I guessed you weren't American. That is actually something we are trying to retrain ourselves in.  At the market 12 apples will run you (depending if they are in season or not ) $6 to $8 a box of 24 individually wrapped fruit snacks, the gummy sugar ladended fruit flavored treats) will cost you $5. As rule fresh fruits and veggies are much more expensive here than junk food.  Something Mrs. Obama was trying to work on to the disgust of "murkins everywhere who said " MOOchelle should go on a diet shut up and not tell us how to eat.   

[CorruptionInc.]

10 hours ago, Thorns said:

I'm not american, so I wouldn't know how the prices compare, and I get that perishables requires more planning than a pantry with canned goods. But here you can get large quantities of fresh frozen vegetables cheap. Needs freezer room, yes, but rotating through it in a week or so would suffice. 

 

Not standing up for the laziness JB and Mullet represent, but I did have a thought.

Maybe canned food was easier because you can put it in the microwave and leave it (after taking it out of can of course) or dishes that you can leave in the oven for a while without watching?

Before sister moms was a thing, Mullet would've been the one constantly looking after the children and she would've had several to watch at one time. If she was actually properly cooking over a stove or mixing items, she would've lost sight of her children who could easily hurt themselves.

 

[calimojo]

I do think we forget that up until about child number 6,  Michelle was doing most of this herself.  Yes,  I think she did have someone helping with laundry but still she was rearing those kids without much help yet. 

Not everyone is good at cooking, likes to cook, etc.  I am not going to judge her for using canned food, or some prepared foods much of the time.  At least not back when the money was really tight and they were crammed into that tiny ranch house with a small kitchen. 

 

But once they had the big house, with the industrial kitchen and she had far more hands helping her and much more money,  that is when the judging comes about.  She could have, in her home schooling mother of the year life, actually invested some time into teaching the kids better eating habits and better skills in the kitchen.  Gardening isn't a must, as they could afford to purchase their produce, but gardening is a great skill to teach people and I think people eat better when they participate in growing the food.  I didn't start to truly enjoy most veggies until I gardened.

[Lurky]

5 hours ago, calimojo said:

Gardening isn't a must, as they could afford to purchase their produce, but gardening is a great skill to teach people and I think people eat better when they participate in growing the food.  I didn't start to truly enjoy most veggies until I gardened.

I remember a friend laughing about how her super-fussy-eating small child had refused vegetables in general and especially tomatoes, until they grew some together, and there was nothing as delicious to her daughter as those tomatoes she'd grown herself. 

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

9 hours ago, calimojo said:

I do think we forget that up until about child number 6,  Michelle was doing most of this herself.  Yes,  I think she did have someone helping with laundry but still she was rearing those kids without much help yet. 

Not everyone is good at cooking, likes to cook, etc.  I am not going to judge her for using canned food, or some prepared foods much of the time.  At least not back when the money was really tight and they were crammed into that tiny ranch house with a small kitchen. 

 

But once they had the big house, with the industrial kitchen and she had far more hands helping her and much more money,  that is when the judging comes about.  She could have, in her home schooling mother of the year life, actually invested some time into teaching the kids better eating habits and better skills in the kitchen.  Gardening isn't a must, as they could afford to purchase their produce, but gardening is a great skill to teach people and I think people eat better when they participate in growing the food.  I didn't start to truly enjoy most veggies until I gardened.

Cooking meals from a recipe could have been a 2 fold teaching lesson.  1. teaching kids how to cook and what a proper balanced nutrition meal is and math, learning how to increase and decrease recipes as needed for that day.  There would also be meal planning, budgeting and time and money management all of which the Duggars are lacking. 

3 hours ago, Lurky said:

I remember a friend laughing about how her super-fussy-eating small child had refused vegetables in general and especially tomatoes, until they grew some together, and there was nothing as delicious to her daughter as those tomatoes she'd grown herself. 

It has been shown that when a child helps prepare a meal they are more likely to try what they have made, it doesn't always work but they are much more likely to want to when it was THEIR work in front of them. 

[BoPeep]

A few years back I was all into farm to table books, cd's, podcasts...it all fascinated me.  I didn't know squat about vision forum, and ordered a cd set from a food and family conference they put on.  Joel Salatin spoke....and I love to hear his wisdom.  But Michelle and some of her girls were there, and they spoke.  And Michelle was VERY out of her element there.....as people were speaking against processed foods, eating healthy, even some no sugar/no white flour talk.  And she was called on to discuss how she fed her family HEALTHILY on a budget.  She fessed up that they have a lot to learn still.  ....I'm thinking it must've been hard to figure out an answer for that crowd!  I wish I could remember what she answered, though!  

 

[calimojo]

well, her admitting they had a lot to learn is actually insightful for Michelle.  Normally they act as if they know everything they could possibly ever need to know. 

 

There is a lot to judge Michelle on, no doubt.   I don't so much care that they eat canned or prepared food, as much as I find it astounding that girls, whose education was supposed to be about managing a home, being a perfect housewife and mother, can barely cook or clean.  They put themselves on TV with the premise that their lifestyle was all about family, and domestic bliss, and yet,  by their own definition of what makes a woman valuable,  their girls are woefully unprepared ( except perhaps for Jana).   to run their own home.   We know, from Jessa's own words that she gets a fair amount of help with Spurgeon. 

 

I am not saying that a woman's job is to cook, clean, bear and raise children, homeschool and be joyfully available.  This is what their cult promotes, and by those standards the duggar girls, are definitely not great examples of the perfect little gothard fundy woman. 

 

SO what I judge isn't that they ate tater tot casserole, but that Michelle has failed so much in raising her girls within the expectations of the cult.  She and JB failed at protecting the innocence of their daughters and their homeschooling education is a joke.  And yet,  they promote themselves as some big success in their cult.  

[Bad Wolf]

On the Disneyland video, M said they eat a lot of fresh fruit, but since they were on the road, she'd brought along home canned fruit....? So back then, I think there were 16 maybe, they took the time to can fruit?

[Thorns]

On 23.10.2016 at 6:45 PM, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

I guessed you weren't American. That is actually something we are trying to retrain ourselves in.  At the market 12 apples will run you (depending if they are in season or not ) $6 to $8 a box of 24 individually wrapped fruit snacks, the gummy sugar ladended fruit flavored treats) will cost you $5. As rule fresh fruits and veggies are much more expensive here than junk food.  Something Mrs. Obama was trying to work on to the disgust of "murkins everywhere who said " MOOchelle should go on a diet shut up and not tell us how to eat.   

I'm not only not American, I'm a non religious ebil Scandinavian socialist

I thought the Duggars live in an rural area? Hard to get vegetables reasonably prices even so?

[DarkAnts]

2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

On the Disneyland video, M said they eat a lot of fresh fruit, but since they were on the road, she'd brought along home canned fruit....? So back then, I think there were 16 maybe, they took the time to can fruit?

They brought along canned fruit and vegetables. They were not home canned. 

[ksgranola1]

I recently went from processed foods to all-natural. I realized I could buy 2 servings of prepared mashed potatoes for $269, but a 5# bag of russetts cost about the same.

2 meals =6meals.And the bag of russetts contained no artificial ingredients or preserves. So if Michelle was trying to save by buying prepared, processed food, she failed. How hard could it be to learn to make homemade mashers.Add milk, butter, put them in one of your industrial grinders. Sheesh, Michelle. Just using mashers as an example. A bag of tater tots would run more that a bag of russetts. Pre-made pastas w/sauce, biscuit mixes; all could be made cheaper by hand. The garden is a God-send b/c fresh veggies are more expensive & can be "put-up." I'm wondering if the young newlyweds are discovering all this.