Pedophiles don't change their spots - part 2

[Boogalou]

Original thread: 

 

On 3/6/2016 at 1:40 PM, hoipolloi said:

Another amazing post from Katie Botkin in which she addresses Doug Wilson's "Christianity," his imprecatory prayers, and what he really worships:

Doug Wilson is so vile and evil it's hard to believe that his followers aren't running as fast as they can away from him.

 

On 3/6/2016 at 1:51 PM, hoipolloi said:

Also wanted to add a link to this incredible video of Natalie Greenfield speaking at the University of Idaho recently about her abuse and recovery. Natalie herself provides the video link and talks a bit about that occasion.

 

 

On 3/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Howl said:

That is an amazing video.  Set aside some time and watch it.  The thing that was most powerful for me was that when Natalie was telling her mother what had happened (shortly before her 18th birthday), she had no vocabulary to describe what had happened to her, because in purity culture, sex is simply not discussed in any way, shape or form.  

These were the three most recent posts from the last thread.  Please continue discussing.

[onlyme]

Imprecatory prayers. Yes. Usually reserved for abortion providers and gay activists, but I have to wonder if there aren't a few being sent Natalie's (and probably Katie's, possibly Boz's as well) way these days. And for those who may be wondering what imprecatory prayers may be, read some of the curses done in the Psalms. Some of them can be rather hair raising. 

[sockinshoe]

Just wanted to note that this whole thing reminds me of the 1534 Münster peasant revolt, where an Anabaptist offshoot sect took over the city and instituted rule by prophet. The prophet imposed all sorts of laws that allowed women and children to be exploited with no recourse and dissenters were executed. Those who fled starved in exile because the city was under siege and the beseigers refused to help.

[Cicero]

4 hours ago, sockinshoe said:

Just wanted to note that this whole thing reminds me of the 1534 Münster peasant revolt, where an Anabaptist offshoot sect took over the city and instituted rule by prophet. The prophet imposed all sorts of laws that allowed women and children to be exploited with no recourse and dissenters were executed. Those who fled starved in exile because the city was under siege and the beseigers refused to help.

By far my favorite episode of Hardcore History.

[CyborgKin]

I watched Natalie Greenfield's video.  Good on her!

I'm going to recommend it to my parents.

[Howl]

Natalie Greenfield's story was featured as a top of the fold, front page feature on the Moscow-Pullman Daily News

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Greenfield spoke Thursday night at the University of Idaho as the keynote speaker for sexual assault awareness month. She also sat down prior to her presentation for a one-on-one talk with the Daily News.

My respect for Natalie Greenfield grows each day and each time she speaks out about her abuse.  She is a woman of incredible integrity and honesty. 

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Right after giving birth to their second child she received a Facebook invite to the baptism of her abuser’s child, she said.

“Without even thinking, I wrote this whole blog post about it all,” she said. “I got to the end and was like, ‘I’m done staying silent.’ “

It was the first time Greenfield had publicly talked about her abuse.

“It was liberating enough that I kept doing it,” she said. “Slowly but surely, every time I would it would be like this breath of release.”

Advocating for victims has now become somewhat of a full-time job, she said.

“I would have never pictured this, but it has become one of the most profound and beautiful things in my life,” she said. “I do this because I know it is still happening in churches everywhere and for a fact in Christ Church.”

Greenfield said society does not have the option to look the other way.

Full text here: http://moscowid.net/2016/04/15/moscow-pullman-daily-news-top-of-the-fold-front-page-story-survivors-listen-to-me/

So good that this is coming out in the local paper.  Christ Church is definitely called out for their role in shaming her and supporting Jamin Wight. 

 

[Minion of Stan]

Canon Press just got some bad press for the plagiarism thing. Their CEO decided to claim that it was "piracy" to copy portions of the text to run in a plagiarism checker. Ridiculous.

http://www.worldmag.com/2016/04/consider_the_source/page1

and new bit by Katie Botkin summing up some of this on an Idaho news site.

http://sandpointreader.com/keeping-the-peace-and-purity-of-a-small-town-idaho-empire/

[onlyme]

http://moscowid.net/2016/04/16/truth-exhortation/

Doug Wilson responds to the Sandpoint article. 

Think the whole "we need to rejoice when others accuse us it proves how pure we are" bit is starting to wear thin yet? When will his congregation tell him to stop using the "Imperial We" already-it's Doug Wilson that's being accused. Why does he insist on sharing the honor with his whole freaking church?  

 

[doggie]

 

of course they are the same in gods eyes. but the victims see it a bit differently. 

KENTUCKY PASTOR COMPARES RAPING A LITTLE GIRL TO STEALING CANDY – SAYS ‘SHE CHOSE TO BE RAPED’

http://winningdemocrats.com/kentucky-pastor-compares-raping-a-little-girl-to-stealing-candy-says-she-chose-to-be-raped/

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 Kentucky Church might be facing its doom after the bone-headed actions of its pastor, as you will read below.

The Truth Apostolic Church in Madisonville made a huge mistake when it hired a convicted sex offender to work with its members. The man was convicted of raping a 13-year-old girl at knifepoint.

The pastor thinks that God had forgiven the man and changed his nature in such a way, that he would not ever repeat his crimes. The church members, many of whom have young children, obviously disagreed.

To make matters worse, the pastor knew about his crime before hiring him. It wasn’t some new development that came out after the fact. The pastor didn’t reveal this information to anyone else at the church either. People only became aware of it as the local NBC news affiliate got multiple anonymous tips that a sex offender was being employed at the local church.

KNOWINGLY HIRING A SEX OFFENDER IS BAD ENOUGH. WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE WAS CONFRONTED ABOUT IT, THOUGH.

Pastor Orten, the person who did the hiring, was contacted by phone by WFIE and was asked for a comment on the situation. What he said was unbelievable. The pastor actually compared the crime of raping a 13-year-old child at knifepoint to the crime of stealing candy. He literally said this, in an effort to downplay the seriousness of the act, and actually said that they are equal in the eyes of God because they are both “sins.”

 

Feds balk at allowing sex offender-dentist to work at family practice in St. Peters

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/feds-balk-at-allowing-sex-offender-dentist-to-work-at/article_0a53223b-9d27-5dcd-8244-4ebb60baba24.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

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ST. LOUIS • In 2010, Missouri officials renewed the license of a pediatric dentist who was serving a six-year federal prison sentence on a child pornography charge.

It would take until 2012 for the Missouri Dental Board to file a complaint seeking discipline against Anthony “Tony” Rizzuti. It was 2014 when the board struck a deal that allowed Rizzuti to keep his license, despite knowing that he had twice been accused of trying to arrange sexual encounters with underage girls.

Rizzuti, 36, is now out of prison. Although a registered sex offender, he is trying to work at a “family” dentistry practice in St. Peters that also has an informal day care center for employees’ children, the Post-Dispatch has learned.

Federal probation officials have balked, but a lawyer for Rizzuti says they overstepped their role by expanding the conditions of his supervised release beyond what a judge approved.

That lawyer, Adam Fein, said the dental board knew about all the accusations against Rizzuti, and “was satisfied that he could practice under stringent conditions and maintain public safety.”

Rizzuti’s case sheds light on limitations on regulators in disciplining professionals such as dentists, a process conducted i

 

[onlyme]

I have seen Christ Church congregants use these same analogies in "discussions" on Doug's fb and blog. So sickening. 

[DomWackTroll]

Dominionist/pedophile enabler Nate Wilson is embraced by The Atlantic… but he writes under the name N.D. Wilson, of course. Livin’ that double life.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/04/why-i-write-scary-stories-for-children/478977/

He talks about his five kids in the article, so one commenter admonishes him: “Good grief, five children? This isn't 1950! Condoms, man. Condoms! Are you Catholic?”

Oh, if only you knew, Comment Guy. If only you knew.

[nickelodeon]

Always thought it was weird how ol' "N.D." would talk about how his parents were "a couple of Jesus People Hippies" when in fact they are the most prim, stuffy, tweed-clad traditionalists to ever pressure a lady to have kids with a serial pedophile.

[DomWackTroll]

5 hours ago, nickelodeon said:

Always thought it was weird how ol' "N.D." would talk about how his parents were "a couple of Jesus People Hippies" when in fact they are the most prim, stuffy, tweed-clad traditionalists to ever pressure a lady to have kids with a serial pedophile.

Yep, he tries to spin them as unconventional and charmingly eccentric. Bitch, please. 

[hoipolloi]

17 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

Dominionist/pedophile enabler Nate Wilson is embraced by The Atlantic… but he writes under the name N.D. Wilson, of course. Livin’ that double life.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/04/why-i-write-scary-stories-for-children/478977/

He talks about his five kids in the article, so one commenter admonishes him: “Good grief, five children? This isn't 1950! Condoms, man. Condoms! Are you Catholic?”

Oh, if only you knew, Comment Guy. If only you knew.

Debating whether it's worth commenting there on the real horror story -- Doug Wilson & his cult, and ND's role in it.

Surprised that The Atlantic just accepted ND's drivel at face value.

[CyborgKin]

Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd when people think five kids is a large family.

[older than allosaurs]

Doug has recently written a couple of posts on how young men should get married before they turn 23, so that they don't get too wrapped up in porn, their wives can help civilize them, young women can find husbands before they get distracted by education and jobs and stuff, and some other reasons I'm not going to go go back and look up. The takeaway is that lots of young godly women are eager for marriage, and the guys need to stop playing around.

Then I somehow ended up on an apparently pretty well-known Christian manosphere blog, Dalrock, where the lively discussion focused on how Doug has it all wrong, he's too scared of the women in his church to be a real leader, he doesn't understand true headship, he's just another wussy modern pastor who is blaming men for women's sins.

So Doug is a feminist-tainted DINO (Dominant in Name Only). Who knew?

[Howl]

2 hours ago, older than allosaurs said:

Then I somehow ended up on an apparently pretty well-known Christian manosphere blog, Dalrock, where the lively discussion focused on how Doug has it all wrong, he's too scared of the women in his church to be a real leader, he doesn't understand true headship, he's just another wussy modern pastor who is blaming men for women's sins.

So Doug is a feminist-tainted DINO (Dominant in Name Only). Who knew?

This is horrible and wonderful at the same time.   Doug Wilson being called out as a wussy by manly men is delicious.   That there are men in the world who think Doug Wilson's particular brand of virulent misogyny is toothless is just.....ick (and very scary).  

[Cicero]

The unmatchable Rachel Miller has put together a three part series on Doug Wilson's influence in the world of homeschooling:

CLASSICAL CHRISTIAN EDUCATION AND DOUG WILSON

WILSON’S INFLUENCE ON “CLASSICAL CHRISTIAN EDUCATION"

PLAGIARISM, WILSON, AND THE OMNIBUS

The last one hits like a load of bricks. Click it and scroll, scroll, keep scrolling. The page doesn't seem to end with it's list of citation issues.

Wilson for his part has put together a "Controversy Library" where he attempts to answer to some, but not all, of the charges laid against him.

As Carl Trueman has put it:

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Given the scale of the evidence (once again) one wonders what some people have to do to lose credibility in the Christian world.  But it is the Year of the Donald, I guess -- though it's a bad sign for society as a whole when the politicians are as teflon-coated as the church leaders.

 

 

[apandaaries]

Thank you for links to these great sites, @Cicero.  I've been wondering how deeply these groups have been able to influence homeschooling curricula, and it's excellent to see other sites researching this (I'm not a homeschooler nor have I been one, so my knowledge is limited).  The more exposure about this, the better.

[Howl]

My casual thinking has been that, through Machiavellian strong-arm tactics and rampant nepotism, Doug Wilson is fairly bullet proof, barring some type of sex scandal or outrageous financial malfeasance (or both--hello, Dennis Hastert?).  There is a certain subset for whom he has strong and perhaps enduring appeal.  If viewing slavery through rose-colored glasses & supporting child molesters isn't enough to dissuade these people, likely nothing will. 

However, the plagiarism issue can certainly be seen as taking at least a few bricks out of the bullet proof barrier.  It may not affect his true believers, but can start to affect the thinking of the world outside the Kirk, who may no longer buy his books, use his curriculum or send their kids to Logos or NSA, which would equal fewer dollars shoring up the Empire.  

So grateful to the people who are keeping after his and researching deeply to point out the flaws and plagiarism, although it must be like shooting rubber duckies in a barrel to a serious researcher. 

[CyborgKin]

On 24/04/2016 at 4:34 AM, older than allosaurs said:

Doug has recently written a couple of posts on how young men should get married before they turn 23, so that they don't get too wrapped up in porn, their wives can help civilize them, young women can find husbands before they get distracted by education and jobs and stuff, and some other reasons I'm not going to go go back and look up. The takeaway is that lots of young godly women are eager for marriage, and the guys need to stop playing around.

 

 

Oh Doug... that's not how any of this works

[refugee]

1 hour ago, CyborgKin said:

Oh Doug... that's not how any of this works

And that is probably why it's *not* working...

6 hours ago, Howl said:

who may no longer buy his books, use his curriculum or send their kids to Logos or NSA, which would equal fewer dollars shoring up the Empire.  

I know someone still sending their kids to NSA. They say they did some research and DW is no longer involved in running things at NSA. Yes? or no?

[apandaaries]

2 hours ago, refugee said:

 

I know someone still sending their kids to NSA. They say they did some research and DW is no longer involved in running things at NSA. Yes? or no?

Nothing I have seen has indicated that DW is no longer involved.  He might be hiding his role a bit, possibly, but from my forays into trolling/discussing on his blog, he is still very much in charge of just about everything there.  And he still has a vocal, aggressive chorus of (mainly male) supporters.  

[Howl]

2 hours ago, refugee said:

I know someone still sending their kids to NSA. They say they did some research and DW is no longer involved in running things at NSA. Yes? or no?

How many Wilson relatives are on the faculty, including his son N.D. (Nate) Wilson?  He has eyes and ears everywhere.  

[Cicero]

17 hours ago, refugee said:

I know someone still sending their kids to NSA. They say they did some research and DW is no longer involved in running things at NSA. Yes? or no?

Ben Merkle, Doug's son-in-law, is the President of NSA and a Fellow of Theology

Gordon Wilson, Doug's brother, is the Senior Fellow of Natural History

Nate Wilson, Doug's son, is a Fellow of Literature

Luke Jankovic, Doug's son-in-law, is a Permanent Member of the Board of Directors

and Doug Wilson himself is a Trustee/Permanent Member of the Board of Directors and the Senior Fellow of Theology

The Wilson Clan is still very much running things over at NSA.