Lori Alexander never learning since 2011 - part 6

[OnceUponATime]

11 minutes ago, Koala said:

"There's no purpose in life, so you might as well have a party- we'll supply the beer!" 

This is made much more amusing because we actually had a teacher who supplied my class with beer. Starting when we were the ripe old age of 14.

 

What does she mean by "The textbooks have corrupted history," ?? Is she going down the scary history denial path?

 

[Koala]

Lori:

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I asked my dad, who was a pathologist his whole working life, about this and he said it's like playing in the sewer! It's very dangerous.

Why do I not find it hard to believe that Lori asked her Dad about anal sex?

Reader:

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Well what about oral sex? Is it also the "wrong hole"? The same argument could be made that it is unsanitary, but most happily married couples enjoy it quite a bit, in the same way that many enjoy anal sex. I think we have to be careful to mix up personal opinions and biblical commands. I agree with "guest" that this is a matter of preference within a marriage and certainly not sinful. I believe we should be silent where the bible is silent and speak where it speaks. 

Women also used to have babies at 14 years old in biblical times due to early marriage. Lots of medical studies say that bearing children that young poses risks for both mother and baby. The same is true for having children over 40. Medical risks do not necessarily make something sinful.

Lori:

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Oral sex doesn't kill you and is in no way harmful to one's health. There's not one medical study that will say it is harmful unless one of them has an STD. Plus, it is not painful and it is not the sewer of the human body.

When has that ever stopped Lori?  Didn't she say "pain is a great teacher"?

[littlemommy]

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Oral sex doesn't kill you and is in no way harmful to one's health. There's not one medical study that will say it is harmful unless one of them has an STD. Plus, it is not painful and it is not the sewer of the human body.

I think Lori's evil brain is the sewer of her human body.

[Hisey]

Couldn't she just say, "It's the wrong place" or "It's not what God intended" or something like that?

Her poor kids. 

[salex]

I expect Ken has been "On Lori's ass" (so to speak) about anal sex for a while.... which is why she talked to her dad about it and has all this proof it is bad for you and is so adamant that it is a sin (a dirty filthy sin) because if someone makes a point that it isn't, well, Ken may get his wish.

 

 

[Koala]

Lori:

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Nothing about anal sex was ever mentioned in my generation. Oral sex didn't even become popular until President Clinton did it in the Oval Office.

 I'm sure he practically invented it!

[OnceUponATime]

19 hours ago, Koala said:

Ken Alexander:

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I think for most men we understand that our wife's sex needs and desires are not on the same level as ours, but our hope is that she can enjoy and appreciate the affection we give her during these times. We don't measure success by how much sexual pleasure she gets out of it, but by the warmth and affection she returns to us.

He's basically saying- I don't measure success by what she gets, I measure it by what I get.

In response to that message from Ken, Jen just posted the following:

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I can't imagine this comment will get published, but if more men measured success by the pleasure they give their partners rather than by how they themselves feel, their partners might be more willing and eager participants.

 

Apparently no one can change Lori's mind on anal sex, people have tried.

Lori also claims that oral sex got popular because of President Clinton. I'm guessing she had a very sheltered childhood. Apparently porn is the cause of this slippery slope into sexual sin. I wonder what she expects to be the next normalized 'sexual sin'

 

[docmom]

According to science (Pubmed), anal sex is practiced by 18-30% of heterosexually active women.  That's a lot of women.  It's no more dangerous than PIV sex unless you are the receptive partner and your penetrative partner has an STD.  The rectum does have a lot of bacteria (well done Dr. Lori's dad for stating the obvious) but so does the vagina.

 

[OnceUponATime]

Just when you think she can't say anything weirder

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I would have loved learning from Nancy Campbell and the Duggars when I was raising children.

She was speaking about homeschooling. Learning from the Duggars about homeschooling? really?!? Sounds like a great plan. </sarcasm> Her kids were way better off in their public schools and christian high school.

[Hisey]

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I can't imagine this comment will get published, but if more men measured success by the pleasure they give their partners rather than by how they themselves feel, their partners might be more willing and eager participants.

A comment by a reader named Jen. Go, Jen! I'm afraid you are headed for Deleteville, though.

I was a pretty sheltered and naive young person, and I still don't get around much, but even I think Lori's comment about Clinton and oral sex shows incredible naivete. Really? Oral sex was discovered by the masses in the 90's? No one ever did it till then?

It's been pretty clear that Lori does not like sex. We now know that she's not a fan of oral and anal sex, too. Is there any more she wants to share in her modest way? Perhaps her kids, grandkids, aunts, uncles, cousins and neighbors don't know enough about her sex life?

[polecat]

50 minutes ago, Koala said:

Oral sex didn't even become popular until President Clinton did it in the Oval Office.

I hate to tell Lori, but I've seen some pictures of naughty Victorians doing some naughty oral things ...

So no, President Clinton most certainly did not popularize oral sex. Those naughty Victorians were doing it long before he was.

(Actually, so was King Solomon, but let's not dwell on that since we have actual pictorial evidence of the naughty Victorians).

4 hours ago, Koala said:

Oral sex doesn't kill you and is in no way harmful to one's health. There's not one medical study that will say it is harmful unless one of them has an STD. Plus, it is not painful and it is not the sewer of the human body.

Now I'm curious about this -- is Lori okay with oral sex for men AND women or just okay with oral for men? Because oral brings (quite a lot, ime) of pleasure to women, and I'm not sure if that really aligns with her philosophy of sex in general.

[smittykins]

1 hour ago, Koala said:

Lori:

 I'm sure he practically invented it!

Just like Al Gore invented the Internet. 

[salex]

1 hour ago, Koala said:

Lori:

 I'm sure he practically invented it!

Oddly the mother in law of a friend of mine said she divorced her husband in part because he wanted oral sex that he learned about in the Korean war.... So, I guess that would predate Clinton. 

 

[molecule]

Lori in the comments:

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No theologian of old or commentary says that oral sex was a part of the Song of Solomon as some {probably just a few and Mark Driscoll started it} do today. I mentor women now who tell me this is all their husband wants. Something is terribly wrong with this picture.

While I agree that there is something terribly wrong if the only sexual activity a husband wants is oral sex, there is a reason no older theologians or commentaries talked about oral sex: they didn't say much about specific sexual activity of any kind. Therefore, this is not a so

Song of Solomon uses much of the same imagery and language of erotic poetry at the time, so everything that seems to be a sexual euphemism probably is one. Take these passages, for instance:

• As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste. Song of Solomon 2:3
• My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Song of Solomon 2:16
• Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits. Song of Solomon 4:16
• Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies. Song of Solomon 7:2
• I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate. Song of Solomon 8:2

How does anyone read these passages and not think about oral sex?

This is the basis of Lori's argument:

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans 14:14

This basically means that if Lori thinks it is unclean, it is unclean to her--and since she speaks for the God of the Universe, it must be unclean to all of us.

[Sera's Arrow]

The Kama Sutra has many depictions of people doing naughty things, including oral sex. It goes pretty far back, 1 or 2 AD, at the latest? Not to mention frescos, vases and other pieces of kinky work (early pornography) that prove that what Lori doesn't know is quite a bit.

She's pretty lucky with that ignorance in some cases. I admit to some envy even. I could live a blissful and happy life without knowing about SOME of the kinks I know of. Like furries and vore and tentacles to name a few. Spending 14 years with a lot of horny nerds, you learn more than you really want to know.

[IrishCarrie]

I'm not a huge history buff but I can categorically state that there was oral sex before the 1990's.

Mainly because I went to college in 1988 and discovered it then.

Q.E.D.

[Koala]

Reader:

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 I do know that a lot of people do practice it and do enjoy it, and these are good, Christian people. That is why I wanted to know what verses in scripture back up the "anal sex is bad" claim. And, after reading all the answers, I can see that there isn't any actual scripture condemning it. All the answers given here are simply opinions - even when opinions are explained, there are still no scripture verses actually backing it up, it is still just people's opinions. I'm inclined to agree with the opinions actually, but it still doesn't convince me that anal sex is condemned scripturally - which is what I wanted to know (mainly for when I'm discussing it with others).

Lori replies:

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God doesn't have to give us a Bible verse for everything but He did give us common sense and wisdom. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. There is no way God would say something that could potentially kill us is acceptable. Is playing in a sewer sin? I would say it was since you are desecrating your body, in the same way anal sex desecrates your body.

So whose common sense should her readers rely on?  Their own, or The Godly Mentor's?

What she's essentially saying is- "There is absolutely no scripture to support what I am saying, but God would definitely agree with me!"

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There is no way God would say something that could potentially kill us is acceptable.

What about childbirth?  Driving a car?  Swimming in the ocean?  All of those things are potentially deadly.  Are they unacceptable to God as well?

I read a story just today about a woman who died as a result of childbirth.  Car accidents happen all of the time.  Every time you get in the water you risk drowning.  

Lori needs to admit to her readers that these are her preferences and opinions and that they can not be found anywhere in scripture.

Reader:

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 I do know that a lot of people do practice it and do enjoy it, and these are good, Christian people. That is why I wanted to know what verses in scripture back up the "anal sex is bad" claim. And, after reading all the answers, I can see that there isn't any actual scripture condemning it. All the answers given here are simply opinions - even when opinions are explained, there are still no scripture verses actually backing it up, it is still just people's opinions. I'm inclined to agree with the opinions actually, but it still doesn't convince me that anal sex is condemned scripturally - which is what I wanted to know (mainly for when I'm discussing it with others).

Lori replies:

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God doesn't have to give us a Bible verse for everything but He did give us common sense and wisdom. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. There is no way God would say something that could potentially kill us is acceptable. Is playing in a sewer sin? I would say it was since you are desecrating your body, in the same way anal sex desecrates your body.

So whose common sense should her readers rely on?  Their own, or The Godly Mentor's?

What she's essentially saying is- "There is absolutely no scripture to support what I am saying, but God would definitely agree with me!"

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There is no way God would say something that could potentially kill us is acceptable.

What about childbirth?  Driving a car?  Swimming in the ocean?  All of those things are potentially deadly.  Are they unacceptable to God as well?

I read a story just today about a woman who died as a result of childbirth.  Car accidents happen all of the time.  Every time you get in the water you risk drowning.  

Lori needs to admit to her readers that these are her preferences and opinions and that they can not be found anywhere in scripture.

Side note- I wish I had a dime for every time Lori demanded her readers cite scripture to justify themselves to her.  All of a sudden scripture's no big deal?

[desertvixen]

4 hours ago, polecat said:

Now I'm curious about this -- is Lori okay with oral sex for men AND women or just okay with oral for men? Because oral brings (quite a lot, ime) of pleasure to women, and I'm not sure if that really aligns with her philosophy of sex in general.

You really think Ken has any tongue game?  Considering how many times Lori has reminded us about how it only takes ten minutes and lube, I'm pretty sure Ken is not a giver.  (In all fairness, Lori may also discourage that as icky.)

[Koala]

I think the only logical thing to do here is to use Ken's method of scripture evaluation. According to Ken, you can tell how important something is to God by the number of times it is referenced in the Bible.

According to Lori there is no scripture for this issue, you just have to rely on The Godly Mentor's common sense....Lori and common sense in one sentence  

So by Ken's own standard this issue has ZERO importance to God since it is mentioned exactly zero times.

 

[feministxtian]

Let's see...Clinton was elected in 1996 right? Hate to tell Lori this but oral sex existed LONG before then...trust me on that. 

[salex]

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Oral sex doesn't kill you and is in no way harmful to one's health. There's not one medical study that will say it is harmful unless one of them has an STD. Plus, it is not painful and it is not the sewer of the human body.

She seems to be going against what Debi Pearl says about pain and sex

Don’t talk to me about how uncomfortable or painful it is for you. Do you think your body is special and has special needs? Do you know who created you, and do you know he is the same God who expects you to freely give sex to your husband? Stop the excuses!

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/10/ctbhhm-dont-talk-to-me-about-pain.html#sthash.X1dox0tq.dpuf

 

 

[feministxtian]

1 hour ago, salex said:

She seems to be going against what Debi Pearl says about pain and sex

Don’t talk to me about how uncomfortable or painful it is for you. Do you think your body is special and has special needs? Do you know who created you, and do you know he is the same God who expects you to freely give sex to your husband? Stop the excuses!

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/10/ctbhhm-dont-talk-to-me-about-pain.html#sthash.X1dox0tq.dpuf

 

 

That's just sick

[usmcmom]

11 hours ago, salex said:

She seems to be going against what Debi Pearl says about pain and sex

Don’t talk to me about how uncomfortable or painful it is for you. Do you think your body is special and has special needs? Do you know who created you, and do you know he is the same God who expects you to freely give sex to your husband? Stop the excuses!

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/10/ctbhhm-dont-talk-to-me-about-pain.html#sthash.X1dox0tq.dpuf

 

 

I suspect this is the response Lori would give a wife who tried to tell her that giving oral sex WAS painful for her. It is painful for some, like those with TMJ.  J, at Hot Holy Humorous, covered this a while back. Of course, that post was well-researched and professionally written. I don't think the term "wrong hole" could be found anywhere in that post. 

And Debi is wrong here. Her teaching is straight from the pits of hell (I love it when I can quote Cabinet Man!!) God created woman to enjoy sex; He made her body to experience arousal and pleasure during the sexual act.  I believe the only function of the clitoris is to allow sexual arousal and pleasure.  Has another use for it been discovered???  So, if God created the female body to receive and feel pleasure, he expects her partner to utilize that which He created and make it a mutually pleasurable encounter.  I suspect Debi is completely unaware of female sexual pleasure because of the way her monster husband treated her on her wedding night.  I highly doubt things got better for her.  She's just managed to let her experience turn her into a martyr in the bedroom -
"See? It's been miserable for me all these years and I'm so godly, I freely give it to him anyway!" 

 

 

[usmcmom]

This is the blog Lori refers to in her post today:

https://medium.com/life-tips/having-it-all-kinda-sucks-91ea302736e4#.2eoo0krks

The blog about which she says this:

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It's always fun to find an article written by a woman who doesn't know the ways of the Lord and lives according to the world. I'm not going to link to it since it's written by a feminist who uses foul language, even taking the Lord's name in vain, so I don't want to send readers to her site. However, she has come to some great conclusions in her life!

I'm sharing this because I think it's REALLY QUITE SHADY for a blogger to quote another blogger without giving a link.  It's even shadier to declare the blog unworthy of a link; yet, somehow Lori has read the blog and probably reads it daily. 

[Koala]

Lori:

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It's always fun to find an article written by a woman who doesn't know the ways of the Lord and lives according to the world. 

I imagine it is fun....that's why Lori goes looking for them.

I'm sure Lori is practically gleeful when she finds someone she can tear apart. Of course she advises her readers not to spend too much time on the internet, but there are special rules for Lori- and it's so much fun to find someone to rip to shreds.

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I'm not going to link to it since it's written by a feminist who uses foul language, even taking the Lord's name in vain, so I don't want to send readers to her site. 

She's not fit to link, but it's totally okay to gossip about her without giving the readers a chance to judge for themselves or the writer a chance to defend herself.

Also, Lori has never had a problem with foul language, despite her claims.  She has quoted a man calling women bitches.  She has linked Cabinet man (who was notorious for being a Christian blogger with a worldly mouth).  She spent who knows how many hours in the toxic waste that was Sunshine Mary's comment section.  

She goes on:

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This is what kept couples married; the women needed their husbands to provide for them.

We have suspected all along that Lori views marriage as little more than a business arrangement (she gets money, he gets steady sex), and she confirms it by spelling her thoughts out clearly.  Women get/stay married because they need money.

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 If children had their way, they would rather be poor at home with their mother, than rich with their mother rarely at home.

You know what Lori doesn't know?  What it's really like to be poor.  The kind of "poor" she's talking about can't afford cable tv or more than one car.  The kind of "poor" she's talking about has to budget carefully and stay in family owned cabins for vacation instead of a resort.  The kind of "poor" she's talking about isn't really poor at all.

Confession- When I was a little girl, I was jealous of my friends with stay at home moms.  I was.  I lived for Wednesdays (my mom's day off).  She would pick me up from school, clean house (I can still remember the fresh smell), and cook dinner.  It was really nice, and I would have loved to have her there all the time.  But here's the reality.  My father was a dangerous, abusive bastard.  If she'd stayed, one or both of us probably wouldn't be here today.  She saved us by walking out the door and taking me with her.

I can remember my mom living off bologna sandwiches, Doritos, and Dr. Pepper (I ate with my grandparents).  I thought it was awesome at the time, but now I now that it was a few bucks she could spend that would last her all week.  I know that she couldn't afford to take me to the dentist and she had to pull me out of dance.  I know that she nearly lost the house- would have if my grandfather hadn't stepped in and paid our bills.  I know that she worked insane hours, 6 days a week for the privilege of eating those bologna sandwiches I mentioned.  We had nothing.  If she had quit her job our fridge would have been empty.  If she had quit her job we would have gone without water and electricity, and eventually lost our home.

And she was one of the lucky ones, because my grandparents helped her and eventually her hard work paid off. She worked her way up in a company and now holds one of their top positions.  There are still days I wish I could hang out with her, but damn it she did what she had to do to get us out of that mess. 
 

Lori knows nothing....

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The only way a woman wins is by doing things God's way. Get married when a godly man who works hard asks her to marry him. Have children as soon as the Lord blesses her with them. Be at home full-time taking care of all there is to do in being a help meet to her husband, raising godly offspring and being the best homemaker she can be. Stop listening to the fairy tales of this day and age.

I could vomit.  Honestly, I could.  I'll close with this.  THANK HEAVENS I had a mama who cared enough to work when I wanted her to stay at home.  She saved us.  She didn't work to be rich- she worked to fucking survive.

THANK HEAVENS I married my highschool sweetheart (for love) instead of someone like Ken (for money).  An old pastor I used to know said the following- "Marry for money and you'll pay the rest of your life".  I believe it.

20 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

This is the blog Lori refers to in her post today:

https://medium.com/life-tips/having-it-all-kinda-sucks-91ea302736e4#.2eoo0krks

The blog about which she says this:

I'm sharing this because I think it's REALLY QUITE SHADY for a blogger to quote another blogger without giving a link.  It's even shadier to declare the blog unworthy of a link; yet, somehow Lori has read the blog and probably reads it daily. 

We are always posting the same thing at the same time.  Great minds and all that...   Thank you for linking her!