UPDATED: Josh Duggar Part 13 - No longer missing, Still a Jerk

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, ksgranola1 said:

But they still have the re-hab house that JB bought for$1.00 when he  thought Josh was going to be sued. They will prob. go there. I'm pretty certain JB doesn't want him to come to TTH. And those kids-when Josh gets back they are all going to act out. They'll want attention, Michael & Mac are going to be mad at him for leaving them, and Anna's going to want him to spend some time w/Meredith. Sounds like the perfect environment to re-start a marriage.

Interesting that they got rid of the house. Did they suspect a law suit, or did they want to show that Josh had no assets so he wouldn't be charged as much at RU?

My son was deployed for 3 months. When he got home the 2 year old was thrilled, gave him lots of kisses and hugs. After a couple of days he refused to let my son do anything with him, give him a bath, dress him, etc. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a 2 year old?

[EmCatlyn]

16 hours ago, Pretzel said:

If they loved him the way they claimed, aka unconditionally as his parents, they would have gotten him real help the very fist time he molested someone. If they loved their daughters, they would have made sure that Josh got real help and later never got the chance to hurt them. 

You know, I think JB and Michelle are terrible people but I don't agree that their not getting Josh professional help was a sign that they didn't love Josh or their daughters. (There are other signs that JB &M are too self absorbed and narcissistic to love their kids unconditionally, but their failure to take Josh to a good therapy program isn't one of them.)

They really believe that turning to God is better than going to secular therapists.  And they did try to do something.  Their ideas of what to do were totally wrong, but I could see even sincerely loving and self-less parents who happened to share their mistrust of secular treatment and their faith, doing much what they did.

JMHO

[Denim Jumper]

Judging by the tone of the birthday message, I'd say JB & M accept no accountability for their part in Josh's actions. I mean, when a kid screws up (especially in a big way), it's a parent's instinct to try and make sense of what they might have done to contribute to it. They seem incapable of doing anything but pointing the finger at Josh (and the devil, natch'), and would like the rest of world to do the same. And for that... I can't help but feel a little sorry for Josh.

[SweetFellowshipper]

You know, therapy is often thrown around as 'the solution' to all ills, but I'm not convinced...especially with people who have desires towards or have acted out against children, the only thing that likely would have happened would have been more police contact/reporting by the therapist, and lots of judgment, or lots of Bible/God/forgiveness stuff anyway from a Christian therapist. Plenty of stories of people who only had desires for children, or were confused, but had NEVER acted on them who visited therapist after therapist only to be turned away or reported again and again to the police, who investigate and then leave it alone (and after all, it IS NOT illegal to have those thoughts, only to act on it). Leading to even more paranoia and distress, and thus to more temptation...Not saying I'm against therapy or it never works, but it's a lot more complex than 'just get an accredited therapist.' Especially since this was rural Arkansas in, what, the 90s? Probably not exactly a rich array of local resources for these specific issues that are going to be progressive and understanding. I've gone to small-town, 'mainstream,' long-practicing therapists, all accredited, educated, PhDs, etc., even in the last 5 years who didn't believe in a mundane thing like BISEXUALITY or thought I had only dated other women because I hated men. Degrees aren't magical, and I say this as someone with a PhD and another graduate degree and who highly values education. I can't even imagine what someone might have said to Joshie about this issue in 1997 or whatever it was (I don't remember at all). Especially not any that JB& M would have chosen...dear God.

They'd have had to raise the money to send Josh to a specific treatment program for such things (they weren't rich then), and they're not totally wrong that incarceration and programs that mimic incarceration (though they'd never put it that way) often end in abuse by fellow inmates and more likelihood of abuse by or domestic violence by the offenders themselves. They are not totally wrong that people who are into things like child porn and the like often find better, faster ways to access it at such programs. More rape happens inside prisons/correctional institutions than anywhere else, and anywhere they could have sent him would have likely been similar to that. Maybe the military after a few years of cloistering and one-on-one with a trusted therapist if they could find one would have been the best choice? But really, there was no easy choice here, or 'best' one, even. Yes, I believe the girls should NOT have had to continue to live in a home with their abuser, but I don't know beyond that what would have helped. I just know that I'm skeptical of 'therapy' being thrown around as almost a religious term, something that works as a cure-all.

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, EmmieJ said:

Ah, makes sense.  I know that most rehab places charge quite a bit and I think most people could not afford it on their own.  With Josh's lengthy stay at RU (presumably), JB must be footing the bill.  That has to add up to a fair amount.

It is actually a pretty inexpensive program as such things go (about $5500 including room and board), and, if I remember correctly, they said they didn't charge more if you had to stay longer.

Even so, I believe Josh is out, but the family is just not talking about it.  Remember back when we started thinking Josh might not be at RU?  And the whole chunk of time when Anna's whereabouts were unknown?  The Duggars can be good at hiding a lot of things, including people.

[season of life]

I find the whole "hiding people" thing very creepy. We have not heard a lot about Josh ever since he went into hiding. He could be out right now and we wouldn't know until somebody called National Geographic and alerted them to a wild Josh spotting.

[TeaGrannie]

2 hours ago, DuggarWatch said:

I'm not sure what to make of this, but the Duggar Facebook page just posted a picture of Johannah and Jennifer with a sheet cake they baked.  The cake has candles, so it looks like a birthday cake to me.  Josh?

I would certainly think birthday cake with the candles. Anyone else with a birthday? Is this even a recent photo? I'm not experienced enough to know but it's interesting. 

[nst]

it looks like a recent photo

and it goes to show you why everyone on fb and instagram is so quiet 

because Josh is home, and we get a slapfest of a mention of a birthday plus a picture of the jslaves jr baking a cake for a brother I highly doubt know what he did 

hence Jenny looking all happy 

[Bad Wolf]

My first thought was that even the serving plate looks disposable.

Didn't People say he was still in rehab? Not that we can use that for accuracy necessarily. 

The littles have really grown since we saw them on tv last.

[Dandruff]

Why are there exactly five candles on that cake?

Sorry, sorry, sorry...

[Bad Wolf]

2 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

Why are there exactly five candles on that cake?

Sorry, sorry, sorry...

That's all they had. They couldn't find any used ones to save the difference.

[Cactus]

Jenny looks like she's trying exceptionally hard to smile - perhaps hoping that smile will please someone.

[actuallyjessica]

That's all they had. They couldn't find any used ones to save the difference.

A shame they didn't have 6 - one for each month Josh has been in Jesus Jail. Instead they have 5 - one for each girl Josh molested.

[nastyhobbitses]

4 hours ago, nst said:

it looks like a recent photo

and it goes to show you why everyone on fb and instagram is so quiet 

because Josh is home, and we get a slapfest of a mention of a birthday plus a picture of the jslaves jr baking a cake for a brother I highly doubt know what he did 

hence Jenny looking all happy 

Jenny looks happy because she hocked a couple loogies in the batter.

[IrishCarrie]

Just my twopence worth on the rehab - I work on a multidisciplinary team that works with violent and sexual offenders. Obviously a lot of our clients have addiction issues and a lot of them go somewhere residential for therapy. The general rule of thumb in Ireland is that programmes last anywhere from around a month to three months of intensive in-house therapy. After that point you may still be living in the centre but a process of reintegration with the real world starts. By the six month mark, at the very least the person should be out and about all day, even if they still need to return to the centre at night. But ideally should have a definite and upcoming end date for returning home/moving on.

Staying any longer than six months causes all sorts of reintegration problems with the real world and it becomes overwhelming. Distress like that is far more likely to make the client relapse.

So where the frick is Joshley?!?!

[imokit]

33 minutes ago, IrishCarrie said:

 

So where the frick is Joshley?!?!

Hiding? 

I'm not convinced he's still there if he ever was.  My guess is he's lying low either in the TTH or somewhere else in the middle of nowhere. 

[nastyhobbitses]

37 minutes ago, imokit said:

Hiding? 

I'm not convinced he's still there if he ever was.  My guess is he's lying low either in the TTH or somewhere else in the middle of nowhere. 

Maybe he's helping TFDW refurbish the Big Sandy house. After all, renovating houses totally curbed his sexually deviant behavior the last time.

[FloraKitty35]

5 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Jenny looks happy because she hocked a couple loogies in the batter.

And Hannie just smiled and let mixer keep running.

[paulypepper]

10 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

My first thought was that even the serving plate looks disposable.

Me too...then there's the styrofoam cup over Hannies shoulder and a paper plate on top of the stove...For craps sake what's so hard about doing dishes especially when you and your kids don't do anything else all day?

[FlamingFundie]

(Forgive me, I can't keep the little ones straight now that they're growing into clones of their older siblings..)

But the girl on the right is the spitting image of Jana.

[choralcrusader8613]

5 minutes ago, FlamingFundie said:

But the girl on the right is the spitting image of Jana.

Yeah, Jenni looks like a combo of Jana and John-David to me.

[Bushes of Love]

1 hour ago, paulypepper said:

Me too...then there's the styrofoam cup over Hannies shoulder and a paper plate on top of the stove...For craps sake what's so hard about doing dishes especially when you and your kids don't do anything else all day?

The weird thing is, they have an industrial dish washer. I was watching 16 Kids and Moving In the other day (don't judge, I was really really bored) and J'chelle made a huge deal of it.

[SassyPants]

15 hours ago, DuggarWatch said:

I'm not sure what to make of this, but the Duggar Facebook page just posted a picture of Johannah and Jennifer with a sheet cake they baked.  The cake has candles, so it looks like a birthday cake to me.  Josh?

Hannie looks like Josh, sorry, girl.

Jenny looks like Jana-

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, SassyPants said:

Hannie looks like Josh, sorry, girl.

 

She doesn't just look like him, she's a spitting female image of Josh.

The family should be very grateful Hannie isn't a boy.

[Swamptribe]

15 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

You know, I think JB and Michelle are terrible people but I don't agree that their not getting Josh professional help was a sign that they didn't love Josh or their daughters. (There are other signs that JB &M are too self absorbed and narcissistic to love their kids unconditionally, but their failure to take Josh to a good therapy program isn't one of them.)

They really believe that turning to God is better than going to secular therapists.  And they did try to do something.  Their ideas of what to do were totally wrong, but I could see even sincerely loving and self-less parents who happened to share their mistrust of secular treatment and their faith, doing much what they did.

JMHO

JB and Michelle are narcissists.  They only love their children so far as those children are an extension of JB and Michelle; for how they reflect on JB and Michelle.  For them to get Josh professional therapy, they would also have to admit that the religious path; that selling their family on television, doesn't work. That they way in which they choose to raise their family, was wrong. They will never do that.