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UPDATED: Josh Duggar Part 13 - No longer missing, Still a Jerk


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12 minutes ago, MsSourPickle said:

 Another Question. Does Jimbob Duggar wear a hairpiece?

That makes me wonder, because the older Duggar boys seem to start losing their hair early (especially at the front). It could be a family trait on Michelle's side, but it's something to think about!

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Hair loss tends to come from the mothers side of the family. My Dad is still rocking the teddy boy look (bit thinner though) but my brothers both wear hats in the summer to stop the tops of their heads getting sunburnt :my_biggrin:

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19 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

I can see JB calling the shots here too which would be pretty sad indeed.  Josh is an adult and can walk out of there if he wanted.   Come to think of it, if Josh is realistically assessing his options and does not want to return to the Duggar fold (couldn't blame him if he were) than maybe that's enough for JB to consider he's not reformed enough and keep him there longer.   I have no doubts that it's JB's money that's paying for this.  

 

Having grown up in a household with abusive parents (who thought they were amazing), who also have big domineering personalities, I can understand how hard it is to get out from under their influence.  Leaving his family and moving on, or doing his own thing, might mean cutting ties with just about everyone he's ever known or related to. I'm not saying there aren't places he could go ( michelle's folks seem like an option to me). But he's been very sheltered, and everyone he's been allowed to create ties with is in the cult. So I think he has two roads: continue to follow his church elders rules, which comes down to obeying jb, or make a drastic move and leave everybody behind and abandon the only lifestyle he's ever known. I don't think he's ready to do that yet.  

Personally speaking I have every reason to cut off my parents- I'm just a year older than smuggar and financially independent. My parents are still oppressive and abusive- and adults continuing to control and abuse their grown children is fairly common.  Josh was never really allowed to fully mature and develop, he was never allowed to think for himself, to rebel, or have access to ideas outside his home. Further, he just spent over 6 months being continuously brainwashed and worked hard. It takes a lot to fight that, and Josh wasn't raised to be independent or critical of this system.

What I'm using way too many words to say is: josh is still very much under his father's "umbrella", (rules, jurisdiction, authority), and isn't likely to make lifechanging decisions against his dad's will.

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53 minutes ago, quiverofdoubt said:

What I'm using way too many words to say is: josh is still very much under his father's "umbrella", (rules, jurisdiction, authority), and isn't likely to make lifechanging decisions against his dad's will.

In other words, Josh is not just a scumbut, but he is also a certified wimp.

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13 minutes ago, DuggarWatch said:

In other words, Josh is not just a scumbut, but he is also a certified wimp.

lol. certified wimp. no, i wouldn't exactly say that. More a victim of abuse/neglect with overpowering and overbearing mindwashing parents, and an inability to break free. He has huge financial ties to mom and dad as well as emotional ones. I think it would take him developing a supportive village outside the cult, including therapists, to help him really truly break free.  And he has yet to even see the abuse that he has suffered.

NEVER to excuse what he did to his sisters, and later his wife. His head is MESSED up.  I believe he has sociopathic tendencies, and isn't a good person. Just trying to explain how an adult can still be ruled by parents under certain circumstances.

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True Josh has not been raised to think independently or critically.  He was raised to follow a certain script so to speak.  However, he's shown to have clearly deviated from it for whatever reason.   I am certain he had a taste of freedom while in DC that he hadn't experienced before.  That particular cat is out of the bag and there's no stuffing it back.

Somehow I think that if Josh totally embraced his rehab at RU, if he was willing to do whatever reform work he was supposed to do he would most likely be home by now.   But he's not and that suggests to me the possibility that in some way his rehab has not worked or there's some other issue going on.

 

 

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6 months in patient care for his supposed porn addiction and infidelity is ridiculous. Josh was sent away because he embarrassed the Duggar brand, and they wanted to get back on tv. Out of sight, out of mind. It worked.

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3 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

True Josh has not been raised to think independently or critically.  He was raised to follow a certain script so to speak.  However, he's shown to have clearly deviated from it for whatever reason.   I am certain he had a taste of freedom while in DC that he hadn't experienced before.  That particular cat is out of the bag and there's no stuffing it back.

Somehow I think that if Josh totally embraced his rehab at RU, if he was willing to do whatever reform work he was supposed to do he would most likely be home by now.   But he's not and that suggests to me the possibility that in some way his rehab has not worked or there's some other issue going on.

 

 

Very true. But freedom to do sneak around online, visit strip clubs etc, while still being supported by your cult, family, and followers is one thing. Breaking away from all that, denouncing your parents, and striking out on your own? very different. Especially with his um...resume? it's not like he can support himself, nevertheless a family, financially on his own.

Most likely he's in a weird purgatory. Unable to still swallow or follow gothard hogwash, yet unable to fully break free. So i can see him breaking rules or just not being convincing in his act. He doesn't believe it and can't pretend well enough to get out.

Is it also possible that he's out and they're managing to hide it?  Or another scenario, jb won't take him back yet, as they haven't figured out the logistics, and josh has no where to go yet.  I mean, they've had 6 months to figure this out, but we know the duggars aren't always the brightest.  And with the show starting up again maybe they had to quickly change tactics. 

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I am never going on the Duggar family's Facebook page again! This time I mean it. Once in a while, I'll see the top comments go against them (like the time the Duggars put up a post about strong boys and people said girls can be strong too), but for the most part it's a place for super fans. The amount of people willing to shower this family with love boggles my mind.

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Because I am an idiot, I looked at RU's website.  They indicate that their "residential" program consists of four phases, which "most people" "graduate" from in six months.  The actual release or whatever can depend on pre-scheduled "graduation" dates.  You have to have completed phase 4 to graduate.  So, it could be that Joshly has completed all the phases and is waiting for a graduation date, or it could be that he's still working through them.  Either way, RU is CREEPY.  

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2 minutes ago, QuiverDance said:

Because I am an idiot, I looked at RU's website.  They indicate that their "residential" program consists of four phases, which "most people" "graduate" from in six months.  The actual release or whatever can depend on pre-scheduled "graduation" dates.  You have to have completed phase 4 to graduate.  So, it could be that Joshly has completed all the phases and is waiting for a graduation date, or it could be that he's still working through them.  Either way, RU is CREEPY.  

Are there stories on recovering grace, or similar, that would give us a peek inside? assuming anyone leaves with enough of themselves in tact to break away and write about it. I'm guessing it can be a pretty horrific place, especially for people truly suffering from mental illnesses, or kids who are non  believers sent by believer parents.

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17 minutes ago, quiverofdoubt said:

NEVER to excuse what he did to his sisters, and later his wife. His head is MESSED up.  I believe he has sociopathic tendencies, and isn't a good person. Just trying to explain how an adult can still be ruled by parents under certain circumstances.

Sociopath?  Definitely!

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2 hours ago, gustava said:

I think the 30 days is what insurance will pay for.

Ah, makes sense.  I know that most rehab places charge quite a bit and I think most people could not afford it on their own.  With Josh's lengthy stay at RU (presumably), JB must be footing the bill.  That has to add up to a fair amount.

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I have been wondering for awhile if Josh wasn't in some type of real rehab for alcohol or drugs. I say this because I can see the Duggars preferring that people think it's just sexual misdeeds because they are likely to be forgiven with time. I imagine drinking alcohol or taking drugs would be kind of unexplainable to the fundy world. I just don't see someone being in any type of rehab for six months for porn. I can see RU agreeing to lie about him being there for the publicity. The whole thing doesn't make sense, even using Duggar logic or lack there of. 

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1 hour ago, quiverofdoubt said:

Very true. But freedom to do sneak around online, visit strip clubs etc, while still being supported by your cult, family, and followers is one thing. Breaking away from all that, denouncing your parents, and striking out on your own? very different. Especially with his um...resume? it's not like he can support himself, nevertheless a family, financially on his own.

Most likely he's in a weird purgatory. Unable to still swallow or follow gothard hogwash, yet unable to fully break free. So i can see him breaking rules or just not being convincing in his act. He doesn't believe it and can't pretend well enough to get out.

Is it also possible that he's out and they're managing to hide it?  Or another scenario, jb won't take him back yet, as they haven't figured out the logistics, and josh has no where to go yet.  I mean, they've had 6 months to figure this out, but we know the duggars aren't always the brightest.  And with the show starting up again maybe they had to quickly change tactics. 

To the bolded, this is a good way of putting it.  He's caught in this limbo of sorts between not buying the beliefs he was raised in much less wanting to live the lifestyle but he knows no other way to live, in part because he's trapped due to no education, work experience etc.  And consider that the lifestyle led to TV show fame which brought in money and perks.  So it's paid off for him to some extent, but now he's living the downside of that fame.

Six months should enough to figure what to do with Joshley's homecoming but maybe there's more turmoil over that than we know.  Not sure if the show continuation would be a factor here, except maybe shed more publicity over his release but I would think they would have the means to whisk him off quietly.  Perhaps he is home but it seems that he probably isn't.  

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1 minute ago, nokidsmom said:

To the bolded, this is a good way of putting it.  He's caught in this limbo of sorts between not buying the beliefs he was raised in much less wanting to live the lifestyle but he knows no other way to live, in part because he's trapped due to no education, work experience etc.  And consider that the lifestyle led to TV show fame which brought in money and perks.  So it's paid off for him to some extent, but now he's living the downside of that fame.

Six months should enough to figure what to do with Joshley's homecoming but maybe there's more turmoil over that than we know.  Not sure if the show continuation would be a factor here, except maybe shed more publicity over his release but I would think they would have the means to whisk him off quietly.  Perhaps he is home but it seems that he probably isn't.  

I'm just wondering if they are trying to find the perfect pr way to handle this. Like, maybe the plan was to move josh back to the tth with anna and the m kids. But now that they are filming and the public opinion matters they have to rethink and figure out if that might not look good to the public. I think the duggar's have no idea what would appear normal or not, that ship has sailed. But maybe tlc has sent in pr reps to help them make these decisions, and they are trying to rethink plans? 

how awful would that be to be stuck in that god forsaken hell hole they call rehab only have to wait, because you have no acceptable home to return to. If it weren't josh i'd feel sorry for him.

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1 minute ago, quiverofdoubt said:

I'm just wondering if they are trying to find the perfect pr way to handle this. Like, maybe the plan was to move josh back to the tth with anna and the m kids. But now that they are filming and the public opinion matters they have to rethink and figure out if that might not look good to the public. I think the duggar's have no idea what would appear normal or not, that ship has sailed. But maybe tlc has sent in pr reps to help them make these decisions, and they are trying to rethink plans? 

how awful would that be to be stuck in that god forsaken hell hole they call rehab only have to wait, because you have no acceptable home to return to. If it weren't josh i'd feel sorry for him.

No doubt that RU has to be awful but I wonder how much the TTH is a hellhole too.   I can't imagine Josh is eager to come home to an angry family, mistrustful wife even though she will stand by him, confused kids, no privacy, no prospects.  It might be down to to choosing which hellhole you would prefer.   

I suspect the TTH is a chaotic hellhole on a good day and these aren't good days.  

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But they still have the re-hab house that JB bought for$1.00 when he  thought Josh was going to be sued. They will prob. go there. I'm pretty certain JB doesn't want him to come to TTH. And those kids-when Josh gets back they are all going to act out. They'll want attention, Michael & Mac are going to be mad at him for leaving them, and Anna's going to want him to spend some time w/Meredith. Sounds like the perfect environment to re-start a marriage.

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54 minutes ago, socalrules said:

I have been wondering for awhile if Josh wasn't in some type of real rehab for alcohol or drugs. I say this because I can see the Duggars preferring that people think it's just sexual misdeeds because they are likely to be forgiven with time. I imagine drinking alcohol or taking drugs would be kind of unexplainable to the fundy world. I just don't see someone being in any type of rehab for six months for porn. I can see RU agreeing to lie about him being there for the publicity. The whole thing doesn't make sense, even using Duggar logic or lack there of. 

I don't think Josh drinks or uses drugs (not to say he's never had a few beers or anything...he probably has, but I don't think he's a regular drinker at all) in part due to his answers to the questions on his Okcupid. He lied about some things on there, but they all seemed to be things that he had a reason to lie about (obviously he wouldn't want to admit being married, and he lied about education to sound more impressive, etc). Since the women he was targeting were worldly heathens who would probably like to go out for a drink, I think it's unlikely he would lie about it if he, too, would actually like to go out for a drink.

And even if a Duggar kid did end up with an actual substance abuse issue, they would never send them to a secular rehab facility. They'd still do RU, since Jesus is the answer to literally everything.

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What are the chances that Joshy didn't graduate - you know, failed the program? 

 

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Although I've been absolutely, totally wrong about everything Joshly, I'm going to drive the ISB....most likely over a cliff.

Josh tasted freedom and his own money: Life as an ordinary human being.  Maybe he doesn't want to go back to the constraints of Got-hard strictures, father, husband, son....

Maybe he has disappeared, perhaps with a woman from RU...if he even went there to begin with.  I simply can't see Josh doing six months at RU, unless he was drugged.

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I'm not sure what to make of this, but the Duggar Facebook page just posted a picture of Johannah and Jennifer with a sheet cake they baked.  The cake has candles, so it looks like a birthday cake to me.  Josh?

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