Josh Duggar part 12 - Everyone has unclean hands...Go wash!

[grifthouse]

Even if people left RU at every treatment center they make you sign a confidentiality agreement not to reveal who was in treatment with you so no one could come forward to say if they were in treatment with Josh.

[EmCatlyn]

12 hours ago, MarblesMom said:

I am not sure I want to touch a doorknob myself now, knowing that Josh possibly touched it.  Sometimes, there just isn't enough Purell.

 

He would only be touching doorknobs on the alien planet, not here on earth. so you would only need to worry if abducted yourself.

[SilverBeach]

3 hours ago, Whoosh said:

ETA - I should say that I would love to see Duggar get some type of justice from Dillon, the alleged eye witness and anyone else who may have acted in bad faith.  I don't think it is likely, but as I have said from the outcome I would really like to see the most just and fair outcome.  

Justice is supposed to be blind, but I just cannot muster up any concern for Smuggar being made whole. Especially since he appears to be vindicated and that is working to his advantage. I surmise that he would just as soon have this all fade away, and that nobody will be sued. Just my opinion.

[OodOnTheLoo]

4 hours ago, Artemesia said:

And as an oppressed teenager he could at least look forward to being an adult and having his freedom. What does he have to look forward to now?

The Tree House ?

[PickledPepper]

On 9.2.2016 at 5:15 AM, grifthouse said:

I'm so disappointed by this but I kind of knew it would happen. Someone very close to me is going through something similar (was raped by someone famous) and the shit you get put through is ridiculous. People call me all the time and scream about my mother being a lying whore and sometimes you just have to give up on persuing justice

So sorry that this is happening to you and this person who is close to you. I don't understand the aggression towards rape victims. No matter what you do you are screwed. If you don't speak out or press charges, people judge you and accuse you of enabling the rapist to commit his crimes again. If you do speak out, there are people who just hate on you for it.  They want you to go to disgustingly great lengths to prove it. It must be a hundred times worse if the person is a celebrity!  My thoughts are with you both!

Getting back to Josh, I am also worried that the dismissal of the case will some how white wash his past. People who want to defend him will feel vindicated. Now Josh is the one who was treated unfairly, they will think.

[St.Clara]

13 hours ago, quiverofdoubt said:

[snipped]The circumstances are a bit different this time: mainly Josh is massively in the public eye now. Their next moves will be heavily scrutinized by the church, the leghumpers, and the haters alike.  He is also technically an adult now so he may be a lot harder to manipulate and control. And of course he has a wife and children involved which complicates things even further.

In a dry and matter-of-fact way, you expressed that brilliantly, imo.

I´d love to have "being technically an adult" as a post-count title.

11 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

In regards to Josh coming home to be watched like an ally cat, imagine what it will be like for Anna. If he goes out to get a paper, says he's going to the post office, has a flat tire; she's going to wonder & doubt. That's only human nature. Boy, that would eat my shorts after a while. She's not going to just trust him right off the bat, maybe never. Especially if they move away. In TT, it wouldn't be that hard to check up on where he's been but in a  new town, she won't go asking around.

The problem is imo that if Josh remains under control at all times (which he probably will), Anna won´t even get an opportunity to rebuild trust in him because in order to do that, she´d obviously have to find him behaving correctly even when nobody is there to watch him. If they don´t take the risk of him offending again, nobody will ever know what he would do if he could choose freely.

Disclaimer: Mind you, I am not saying that I´d believe for a moment that Josh would actually justify any trust set in him, just speaking theoretically here.

And besides, I am well aware that Gothardites generally don´t believe in setting people free to make their own choices. (Even if that does not really make much sense from a theological point of view imo. If God decided to let people make their own choice between good and evil, who are Gothardites to want to know better and take that God-given freedom away? And, for the record: It does not make any sense from their theological point of view, not from mine.)

[RosyDaisy]

I won't be surprised if he eventually leaves. He has had a taste of freedom and while he may have submitted to Jim Bob after the initial shock and humiliation of everyone finding out his dark secrets, he is going to get tired of living in a highly controlled cage. It might not happen right away, but one of these days he is just going to get fed up with it all. 

And when he does, he will be a ticking time bomb.

[2manyKidzzz]

Joshley is clearly not on board with the Gothardite life. What he will do is anybody's guess. I do feel compassion for Anna, and of course the Mkids. I guess we will just wait and see what happens. If and when we find out something or anything at all about what Joshley is doing. 

[enine]

22 hours ago, EmmieJ said:

I think any child raised in a Gothardite household has been given the short end of the stick.  Josh (like so many) wants to pick and choose which guidelines he will follow and which he will not.  Head of the household, my word is law?  He's good with that.  Sex on demand?  Good with that.  Faithful to your wife?  Not so much.

The problem with Gothard and other cults and fundamentalist belief systems, especially ones that actively discourage any form of original thought, critical thinking and/or curiosity or questioning of authority, is that it often discourages the development of real morals or integrity.  As a person of no particular faith, I still have a moral code that I live by.  I choose not to steal from others, because I believe that is wrong.  When I am in a relationship with someone, I choose to be faithful not because I'm afraid god will punish me if I'm not, but because I believe it's wrong to be unfaithful and lie to someone who loves and trusts you. 

Whatever Josh's moral code is, it's very elastic and self-serving. 

Exactly. Very well said

Like in this great musical (I'm way to stupid to upload the video, so here's the link):

http://youtu.be/B_hyT7_Bx9o

But still, I think Josh believes you should be faithful to your wife. He just won't be. He will feel bad afterwards and promise to never do it again, but in the end, he's not going to change. Especially because Anna will allways forgive him 

[Lamoria]

On 2/9/2016 at 1:41 PM, Dandruff said:

I believe Josh will be on an extremely short leash, at least when he first gets out.  I imagine a "discharge summary" (no pun intended) from RU that lays out the protections they believe Josh needs.  Then Jim Bob, along with Anna and various others, will make sure there's no opportunity for him to stray (an area of expertise in the world of Gothard) - as in flip phone, filters, accountability software, not ever going out in the public alone, very limited or no TV, etc.  In time, as I said in a post above, I think he'll be sent to Big Sandy or an overseas mission.  Maybe a job at RU.  He'll have a choice - live with assigned limitations or completely separate himself from the Duggars and their extended group.

I really don't think the Duggars are willing to put up with any more stuff from him.  Molestgate lost them the show, they defended him (and he let them), then the Ashley Madison situation came to light.  Huge embarrassment.  Then came the Dillon accusations - which were dropped, but cost the family a lot.

Just dropped in to say- if Josh had a job at RU that would be laughable (maybe just to me, lol) but Rockford is a far cry from littleworld Arkansas. It continues to make top dangerous cities lists in the United States and Illinois, and the crime is just getting worse here (I can't wait to move!) Maybe he's in the market to buy my house so I can leave?

Though, he did live in DC, and I don't know what that environment was like (besides the cheating!), every place has it's dangers.

[vienna]

I think we all agree that Josh will be on a really short leash. Where this will all end? Either he will become the most fundamental Gothard of all, or he will leave or he will be a very depressed an unhappy person but keep the false front so that all Duggars can live with it. We will see.

When it comes to the lawsuite I am convinced she got paid off!!!

[gustava]

1 hour ago, Lamoria said:

Though, he did live in DC, and I don't know what that environment was like (besides the cheating!), every place has it's dangers.

He lived in suburban Maryland, far from the dangers of the big city.

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, gustava said:

He lived in suburban Maryland, far from the dangers of the big city.

But close to the dangers of the interner. Internet! Stupid backspace.

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

www.inquisitr.com/2781163/josh-duggars-parents-tell-men-to-be-uncommen-do-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-think-app-will-save-their-son/

Not sure if this is being discussed yet. So now treating your wife with kindness can be a competitive game, and an unfaithful husband can redeem himself with compliments and waterproof mascara... What's this world coming to?

[SilverBeach]

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2016/02/lawsuit-against-josh-duggar-dismissed.html?m=1

 

If this has been posted elsewhere I apologize. Came through on my Google cards via another link, as I never read their blog. I just love (not) the leghumper comments, "sin is sin", and " we all sin, get over it". If only that family would learn that there is dignity in silence. Ugh

[quiverofdoubt]

Does the "uncommen" crap wreak of the men's rights movement?   

Pretty damn sure men are winning in our country. In most countries. Through most of time. 

[socalrules]

One of the many things that bothers me about the app is that it's another Duggar version of modest. I am so modest I am going to repeatedly tell you how modest I am. I am such a good husband my friends can keep track and see how I am such a good husband. What also bothers me is that the men that use this app want recognition for doing what they are supposed to be doing, things women and men do everyday for their families without getting a gold star.  As though women want their husband to do nice things for them so he can beat his friends. If you want to beat your friends at something, why not video games or basketball like normal people? 

Why not an app where a wife gives points to her husband every time he does something nice that she did not have to ask him to do? BTW, what's the point of the app when you can just lie and say you did all these wonderful things. 

This weirdly reminds me of that Kirk Cameron movie where he reads a book and does nice things for his wife because he is addicted to something like porn. That was shit and so is this app. 

[Dandruff]

Real men don't need an app to tell them how.

[Alicja]

13 hours ago, VeryNikeSeamstress said:

www.inquisitr.com/2781163/josh-duggars-parents-tell-men-to-be-uncommen-do-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-think-app-will-save-their-son/

Not sure if this is being discussed yet. So now treating your wife with kindness can be a competitive game, and an unfaithful husband can redeem himself with compliments and waterproof mascara... What's this world coming to?

I would much rather be gifted one of the Naked eyeshadow palettes or some MAC lipstick. 

Step your game up, Duggars.

[karen77]

1 hour ago, Alicja said:

I would much rather be gifted one of the Naked eyeshadow palettes or some MAC lipstick. 

Step your game up, Duggars.

See, and I wouldn't care about that, I just would like some really nice yarn (or a gift card for such!)

[OnceUponATime]

20 minutes ago, karen77 said:

See, and I wouldn't care about that, I just would like some really nice yarn (or a gift card for such!)

I would prefer to have someone scrub the floors and cook all the meals for a week.

Up your game guys - you need to start brushing up on those household skills

[Bad Wolf]

36 minutes ago, karen77 said:

See, and I wouldn't care about that, I just would like some really nice yarn (or a gift card for such!)

Yes, yarn. You can never have too much.

[SassyPants]

The Duggar kids belong to the Cult of JB. They do not think or make decisions beyond JB's own thoughts, wishes or decisions. Anyone think that JB didn't secure Josh that job in DC? The kids (many of whom are now adults) were never allowed to make even the smallest decisions growing up, so as adults, they seemingly do not know how to make any logical decisions. 

It's pretty clear that Josh does not want to be his father or part of his father's cult. It's just too bad that as an adult, he's not able to voice his opinion, make a plan and lead his own family life. I doubt that if Josh had a choice, he'd have had all those kids or even still be married. 

The Duggars F'd up in so many ways, but the inability to let adult kids live their own lives, according to their own beliefs and make their own decisions borders on criminal/brain washing.

The Bates have not done the same with their married children.

And as horrible as Steve Maxwell is, at least Sarah has a dog and her Moody books. What does Jana have and do?

You cannot isolate, deny, restrict, retard in terms of truth and development and then expect them to live in the real world. Does JB actually think that he can support 19 kids and all their kids without any skills, education or jobs? Is he really that dense?

Quite frankly, I'm not really even seeing a true faith development in any of the Duggars- how to live, treat people, take care of yourself, be a good steward of time, talent and treasure, or the Earth all seemingly missing.  Maybe they really do not have any idea about why Josh's behaviors are wrong and hurtful? 

Memorizing a bunch of Bible verses, wearing many shirt layers, long skirts and procreating like rabbits does not make a person decent, moral or good Christian.

[nst]

does this really surprise anyone now that M./JB have promoted anything to do with endorsing men and families to be more adoring of their wives and families . Their brand is dead and buried and they think they can still promote things tht will appeal to people. 

Who is going to listen to them? Their brand of whatever they are preaching is over and they are grasping at straws.

The more Josh stays away the more questions people have.  Clearly he will be out in a year not less.  They are delusional 

 

[HarryPotterFan]

3 hours ago, Alicja said:

I would much rather be gifted one of the Naked eyeshadow palettes or some MAC lipstick. 

Step your game up, Duggars.

They probably recommend waterproof mascara so that the wives' makeup won't run when their husbands make them cry. It is very important for a woman to maintain a good countenance when her husband acts like a shit head so that she doesn't drive him away even more.