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@older than allosaursPerhaps you can write an extremely graphic choose your own adventure-type romance book whilst you're in the prayer closet. "If you'd like Thomas to penetrate and conquer, turn to page 18. If you'd like Jane to envelop and extract (gross), turn to page 34. If you're Ken, repeatedly slam your penis in the prayer closet door."

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I have always understood the sin of Onan to be disobedience. Simply put, YAHWEH asked him to do something, he tried to weasel his way out of it, and YAHWEH slew him. 

I have never heard The term "onanism" until Mrs. G said it. Learn something new each day, I guess.
I had never heard it, either!

 

Yet Lori believes she is qualified to teach the Word.
 
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3 hours ago, Hisey said:

Looks like someone is giving the OK to masturbation. . .  Thanks, Ken.

So, this part of the Old Testament is a "strange history story." But the part condemning homosexuality is something we need to take really, really seriously.

Ken's definitely okay with masturbation. He is, after all, the same guy who said porn was a teensy sin while women getting upset about porn is a BIG HUGE MAJOR SIN.

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2 minutes ago, polecat said:

Ken's definitely okay with masturbation. He is, after all, the same guy who said porn was a teensy sin while women getting upset about porn is a BIG HUGE MAJOR SIN.

Meanwhile his wife said that porn is a sin on par with all other sins and specifically mentions, among other things "adultery, fear, and doubt" umm no. Fear and doubt are evolutionary traits that make sure you don't end up eaten by a saber toothed cat or following some sex-obsessed lunatic. Not only is it not a bad thing, it's very important to literally not dying.

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1 hour ago, Mrsaztx said:

@older than allosaursPerhaps you can write an extremely graphic choose your own adventure-type romance book whilst you're in the prayer closet. "If you'd like Thomas to penetrate and conquer, turn to page 18. If you'd like Jane to envelop and extract (gross), turn to page 34. If you're Ken, repeatedly slam your penis in the prayer closet door."

I'd read that one for sure! 

@polecat, I'm pretty sure Ken's okay with anything he likes.

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DELETE KEY ALERT! The comment that started the masturbation/contraception discussion has gone bye-bye. 

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That sycophantic Lily and Ellie blog about the Duggars just reposted some of Lori's drivel, specifically that pathetic letter to Anna attempting to cash in on the scandal in order to further her toxic ideology. Apparently Lily and Ellie think Lori is "wise" and imagine that her words are encouraging. How can people be so blind ???

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On January 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, AmazonGrace said:

If it's a contractual obligation, you're doing it wrong.

I wish I could upvote this eleventy!!!1!!1! times.   

It's consistently astonishing to me that the Lorkens of the world have yet to discover that many, many men (perhaps even the majority) are, you know, adults with things like respect for themselves and others, self-control, and a desire to delight in their partners.  Crazy, I know, but I'm pretty sure it's true!

I'm also going to postulate that, if I were an omnipotent, omnipresent deity, and had created a vast, wondrous, and incredible world of pleasurable experiences for my favorite creations; I'd be effing PISSED if said favorite beings sat around in the middle of it all doing nothing other than coming up with ways to make it suck as much as possible.  But that's just me.  

Imma go delight in my partner, because he's amazing, he delights in me, and I love him to distraction.  Lorken can have their "biblical marriage."  I want no part of it, or of any God (or god) that their "contract" would please.  Ugh.

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31 minutes ago, Seren Ann said:

That sycophantic Lily and Ellie blog about the Duggars just reposted some of Lori's drivel, specifically that pathetic letter to Anna attempting to cash in on the scandal in order to further her toxic ideology. Apparently Lily and Ellie think Lori is "wise" and imagine that her words are encouraging. How can people be so blind ???

I was just going to post about this. I purposefully dont keep up on Lori. This reminds me why.

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On 1/8/2016 at 9:26 AM, Koala said:

Dear god in heaven....

The Modest Mentor quoted Michael Pearl today:

I may be labeled a prude after this, but I don't know any decent people who have these kinds of conversations in mixed company.  Here Lori is quoting a man saying that she should "pump her husband dry".  I would be mortified.  Actually, I am blushing just reading it.  She has got to be kidding.

I blushed too. I don't consider myself a particularly sensitive person about things like that, but when you're reading along and all of a sudden a crude sexual description just comes out of freaking nowhere, it's pretty jarring. (And as a description, it makes the act sound more cringe-worthy than pleasurable.) There's nothing wrong with speaking frankly about sex, but there's a line between being frank and pushing the crassness too far - and for me that's over the line, especially in a post that claims to be "informative" and is aimed at a general audience.

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"Ten minutes and some lube!" sounded bad enough. Ten minutes, lube, AND he makes her do all the work?

Do you know where she hid some bodies or something, Ken?

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Am I missing something?!? When I looked at the "Be Available" post last night there were over fifty comments.  Today, there are 28, I believe.  What are they doing over there and why are they deleting so many comments?  They are  so bizarre!

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On 1/8/2016 at 9:26 AM, Koala said:

Dear god in heaven....

The Modest Mentor quoted Michael Pearl today:

I may be labeled a prude after this, but I don't know any decent people who have these kinds of conversations in mixed company.  Here Lori is quoting a man saying that she should "pump her husband dry".  I would be mortified.  Actually, I am blushing just reading it.  She has got to be kidding.

I way more of a prude than Lori and most of the Christians I know would not put up with someone talking that way.  My husband would be offended if he found that I was posting stuff like that online. This treats men like objects that the wife should annoy with sex to the point that he lies to avoid being around her. Who wants that sort of marriage?! 

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Re: the 10 minutes and lube thing, how much is Ken lacking that a completely unresponsive/unprepared wife can accomodate under those parameters? Maybe that's the reason for his behavior

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1 hour ago, usmcmom said:

What are they doing over there and why are they deleting so many comments?  They are  so bizarre!

No kidding! Does she not have her blog default to moderated comments, or does she just keep changing her mind? Or did Aunt Ginny take her to task for allowing comments about such inappropriate topics?

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3 hours ago, usmcmom said:

Am I missing something?!? When I looked at the "Be Available" post last night there were over fifty comments.  Today, there are 28, I believe.  What are they doing over there and why are they deleting so many comments?  They are  so bizarre!

She deleted the first comment and then all the replies +/-30. It was the one that included condoning phone sex, Ken giving the a-okay on masturbation, and Lori's belief that contraception is okay except when it isn't.

My guess, it has to do with the Lily & Ellie link-up. Those Duggars don't think like the Lorken on those topics and that link-up is going to give her a ton of clicks.

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33 minutes ago, Florita said:

She deleted the first comment and then all the replies +/-30. It was the one that included condoning phone sex, Ken giving the a-okay on masturbation, and Lori's belief that contraception is okay except when it isn't.

My guess, it has to do with the Lily & Ellie link-up. Those Duggars don't think like the Lorken on those topics and that link-up is going to give her a ton of clicks.

I think you're right.  I think it also shows us that Ken and Lori have absolutely no confidence in their statements. If they truly felt they were right in what they'd written, why worry about who reads it? 

So let's add..."Unless fundie royalty might read our blog..." to lists of EXCEPTIONS that Ken and Lori live by when spouting...oops...SPEWING their nonsense. 

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Lori linked the "Pump Him Dry" post on her Facebook.  In the comments under the link she says:

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 I would bet all men love this post! smile emoticon

Then she put a smiley face at the end of her comment.

*gag* Why would she want men reading her (such a modest, Christian mentor) quoting some other man advising women to "pump their husbands dry"??  Isn't she supposed to be teaching women?  They are so gross. 

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Kind of OT flashback to my (horrible) second marriage: There was a certain, um, technique the ex used to whine about not getting enough. (In my defense, it caused me physical discomfort.) One day, I got so fed up that, without telling him what I was doing, I made it the *single* form of physical contact I gave him. No kissing, no hugging, no hand-holding, no PIV for two straight weeks. And he didn't even notice that there was anything "off." It still gives me the shakes to think of it.

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In today's feminist environment, I see and hear of husbands who give up their dreams for the future careers of their wives'. They will move across country for their career. They may even be the one to stay home with the children. This is not being the help meet that God created women to be. 


Or perhaps they (as a couple) have evaluated what's best for their family and have decided to follow that plan instead of  The Lori Alexander Plan.

In this area I would like of offer The Godly Mentor two of her own buzz words: liberty and grace.  She'll remember them, as she often calls upon them when SHE wants them applied to her.  

Like Lori, these families aren't "under the law".  The have the "liberty and grace" to do as they wish.  Even if The Godly Mentor disagrees. 

On a snarky note: it looks like she's referring to plural marriage in the above comment. :pb_rollseyes:

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When I married Ken, he was in seminary to be a preacher. I expected to be a preacher's wife when I married him. My son, Steven, found his bride in Houston and she readily left her family and schooling behind to go where Steven was going for his career. My youngest daughter, Cassi, lives in another state to be with her husband while he pursues his career. Not one of my daughters or daughters-in-law expected their husbands to follow their plans. They all followed their husband's plan. This is the way it is supposed to be since men are called to be the providers of their families!

It's nice that Lori was able to get another dig in at Ken. :pb_rollseyes:  Guess he wasn't able to hack it as a preacher?

It's a shame that her daughters and daughters in law are in (what Lori describes) as very one sided relationships.  Marriage can be a very happy place to be when both spouses are actively working on a plan together- helping one another achieve goals and see dreams come true.  

My husband and I made our 2016 "Dream Sheet" just yesterday.  This involved us both sitting down and making a list and budget for all of the things we'd like to do in the coming year.  It was wonderful, and we were both happy to be thinking of ways to implement things we want for our family.  I think my husband would have been really disappointed if he'd had to have the brainstorming session alone because I had some misguided idea that I was just here to help him implement whatever plans he has.  He actually enjoys hearing my ideas...sometimes we even find ways to improve on one another's ideas, making them bigger and better than they originally were.  We were also able to reflect on all that we achieved in 2015 (lots of remodeling).  It was a wonderful afternoon just to look back on all we were able to get done working together.  If Lori's version of the truth reflects reality, those young couples are in for a long haul.  

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Find your life in his. God made us women to be help meets, and it is in our physical nature to be so. It is our spiritual calling and God's perfect will for us. It is the role in which we will succeed in life, and it is where we will find our very greatest fulfillment as a woman and as a saint of God...Wisdom is knowing what you "bought" when you married that man and learning to adapt to him as he is, while enjoying the full value of your "purchase."*

Marriage as a transaction is such a cheap imitation for the real deal.

 

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I don't follow the Lori threads much but had to check in today to see the latest in Lorken's world.   Good God, there is something very, very wrong with that woman. 

And her husband's no prize either but even so I wonder how even he can stand the shit she posts about marriage and their marriage in particular.  

It's a completely off the charts dysfunctional state of affairs and both of them give the whole wide world a front row seat to all of it.

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Ken appears to be clueless to the fact that Lori uses her blog to make jabs at him. I think he is so full of himself and how awesome he is that he can't tolerate the idea that his wife's really blogging about him being a shitty husband. Plus, I get the impression that Lori would make his life a living hell if he dared to take away her blog. He even admitted when he was here that she didn't really obey him when it came to the blog. 

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19 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

 He even admitted when he was here that she didn't really obey him when it came to the blog. 

:pb_lol: Yes, apparently The Godly Mentor didn't appreciate it when Ken wandered out of Internet Land with a laundry list of changes that needed to be made to her blog- courtesy of Free Jinger.

I think she thought he'd come here and straighten all the wayward women folk out, but in reality he got his ass handed to him, and ended up wanting her to change Always Learning based on our suggestions.  

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I don't think Godly Mentor ever did make any of those changes he wanted her to make. :lol:

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