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hoipolloi

Saeed Abedini's wife reveals his abuse of her & use of porn

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DaisyD

Not to mention he can now do his own advocacy and leave her alone about it.

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hoipolloi

Julie Anne at SSB has provided this news link which has more, fairly reliable information on what happened during Saeed's imprisonment and whether or not it's credible that he would have had cell phone access:

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Naghmeh Abedini wrote last month on her Facebook page that Saeed was able to use his phone after he had been in prison for six months. Naghmeh said she talked with him six to eight hours a day at times. She also said he used his smartphone to watch movies using Naghmeh’s Amazon account and viewed pornography on his phone.

Saeed has not addressed that accusation, other than to say some public allegations about him are not true. But other sources say access to phones inside prisons in Iran is far from unheard of.

In a first-person account for Time magazine, Matthew Trevithick, who was among four other Americans released at the same time as Abedini, said he was able to use his phone during his 41 days at Evin Prison. Saeed spent the first year and a half of his sentence at the same Tehran prison.

 

 

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hoipolloi

Courtesy Julie Anne on SSB, there are updates.

Saeed posted on FB yesterday, using the opportunity to stir up leghumpers the faithful and rebuke Naghmeh:

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I am grateful for marriage counselors who have been helping me but my wife's relationship with me is not good at this point, so we need prayer that she joins this counseling process with us.

A few commenters tried to tell him that couples' counseling is not appropriate for abusive relationships but of course the leghumpers would have none of THAT nonsense:

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Joyce Gonzales: Marital Counseling is not appropriate for you and Nagmeh. First deal with your own issues of abuse and sexual addiction that enables you to vindicate and make amends that proves to her you can be trusted not to abuse or malign her in any way, shape, or form. Find a therapist (LMFT or LCSW) who have lots of time in the trenches dealing with addiction, abuse, and narcissism. Otherwise, you will continue to try to get through this without doing the work that needs to be done in your heart, mind, and spirit that will enable you to be healed and to be a healing balm to the one you have harmed.

Joelle Ruppert Your comment is extremely presumptuous. Odd that there is no profile picture and no friends.

Dana Pelletier: Joyce, you need to shut up. Don't you think just maybe the trauma he's been through as a PRISONER may have humbled him just a tad? He's reaching out to a counselor. That's more than most men.

Aileen Ross: Yes Joyce your statement is cold and hard-are you a Christian? We have only heard one side of the story!!!

 

 

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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

@hoipolloi, interesting that Saeed first talked about keeping private troubles private, but now he's trying to use Facebook in his favor.:my_rolleyes: I've enjoyed the Julie Anne links you've provided!

I recently read an article about the Abedinis that also explains a bit why marriage counseling is a bad idea in cases of abuse:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/02/01/the-strange-case-of-the-pastor-released-from-iran-and-his-wifes-abuse-allegations/

Quote from the article:

[Marie Fortune, founder of the Faith Trust Institute, which trains clergy and faith groups on how to deal with domestic abuse.]

Fortune said that at times, faith can be a roadblock to getting assistance for victims of abuse. Victims are sometimes pressured to forgive their abuser early on in the process — as a kind of shortcut to healing a marriage.

But forgiveness, if given too early, can do more harm than good.

“When we talk about the problem of forgiveness — is what a church expects as the first step of dealing with a case of abuse,” said Fortune. “I always tell people it is the last step — there are a lot of things that need to happen before that step can happen.”

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Howl

Naghmeh Abedini, you are ONE STRONG WOMAN!  

Spiritual Sounding Board has reported Nagmeh's most recent FB post and many, many people have pointed out that joint marriage counseling cannot take place until the abuse has been addressed FIRST, and this is where Nagmeh is:  

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Dearest friends and prayer warriors,

Many of you have been concerned about and have asked about updates on Saeed and our situation. At this point Saeed has not been willing to join me in getting counseling on the abuse which has been a big part of our life together. Once the abuse has been addressed, then that will open the way for us to get marriage counseling on the more common marrital issues.

I hope that Saeed can address the abuse as soon as possible so that our family can move towards reconciliation and healing. With birthdays and holidays coming up and for the sake of our children, no one longs for reconciliation for our family more than me. I have loved Saeed more than I have ever loved any human being in my life and it has been hard to stand and keep the boundaries and ask for the abuse to be addressed. This is the most loving thing I can do for my husband and children at this time. My love and passion in fighting for Saeed's freedom has not changed, but it has taken a different form on my knees.

I ask you to join me in continuing to pray for Saeed and our family. I ask you to please pray for the children and specially for Jacob as his birthday will be in 3 days.

Many of you understand the battle we often face for our loved ones for spiritual chains. The battle is hard and emotional. By Grace of God I did not give up fighting for my husband's physical chains and by God's Grace I am not going to give up in praying and petitioning God for the long waited family reunion.

Once steps are taken by Saeed in addressing the abuse and our family starts moving towards reconciliation and healing, I would be the first to announce it and give shouts of praise and thanksgiving. But until then I would appreciate your prayers for continued Grace and strength.

In His Grace,  Naghmeh

 

 

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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

Wow. What a strong, classy lady. I am so happy for her that she is standing strong. 

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Howl
59 minutes ago, WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo? said:

Wow. What a strong, classy lady. I am so happy for her that she is standing strong. 

...And that her church has not led her into some bullsh*t bible-only based counseling.  Her courageous stand and clarifying why she is taking this approach is helping more women than she can possibly imagine.   

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hoipolloi
11 minutes ago, Howl said:

...And that her church has not led her into some bullsh*t bible-only based counseling.  Her courageous stand and clarifying why she is taking this approach is helping more women than she can possibly imagine.   

Re: bolded. This is huge. 

Saeed, of course, is still acting as the victim on FB but is getting some pushback in the comments even though his leghumpers rush in to defend him: 

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Christy Nelson: By your wifes post today, You need to worry about your crumbling marriage, abuse towards her and your porno addiction. Sounds like Josh Dugger.

 

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Howl

Just dropped by Spiritual Sounding Board and things are truly crazy.  This situation has more turns than a barrel full of snakes and the entire thing from soup to nuts is documented at Spiritual Sounding Board, going back to proof that Saeed pled guilty to domestic abuse in the past.

https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2016/04/28/resource-bibliography-on-the-saeed-and-naghmeh-abedini-situation/  There is a well documented timeline with references -- it is long and incredibly complex.  When a post is title 'Resource Bibliography' get ready for relentless details.  This needed to be done to counter the true believer Saeed fans. 

Some highlights: Apparently Nagmeh has revealed major discrepancies in his prison narrative (cell phones! WiFi! Netflix!)

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She [Nagmeh] revealed huge discrepancies in his prison narrative, leaving us all wondering about Iranian prisoners owning cell phones and watching Netflix while claiming horrible torture at the same time. http://michaelnewnham.com/?p=25360

The Idaho Statesman investigated the situation and concluded that yes, he was badly beaten and abused in prison; his internal injuries and lack of immediate medical care were confirmed, and this

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Naghmeh Abedini wrote last month [January?] on her Facebook page that Saeed was able to use his phone after he had been in prison for six months. Naghmeh said she talked with him six to eight hours a day at times. She also said he used his smartphone to watch movies using Naghmeh’s Amazon account and viewed pornography on his phone.  http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article58590073.html#storylink=cpy

and now he is accused of major plagiarism by Mike Sasso:

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A couple weeks ago [early April or March?] I met with him [Saeed Abedini] at a coffee shop. After our meeting he asked me if I would write down my thoughts and send them to him. Since then he did a series on revival on his Facebook page using the outline I sent him. When I wrote him privately to explain to him what plagiarism is he rebuked me and told me I needed to repent and that I was not a good man because in his words, the things I wrote were things “he taught me”. After that, he blocked me from his Facebook page. Something is very wrong here.”  http://michaelnewnham.com/?p=25289

 

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hoipolloi

Saeed Abedini was interviewed by Christianity Today recently, and asked about the 2007 charges of domestic assault. Here's his response: 

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Can you talk about the misdemeanor domestic assault charge in 2007? You pled guilty to that, and that suggests there was at least one instance of marital abuse.

I believe courts can make mistakes too. They are not God; they can make a mistake. I talked with Franklin Graham. He asked me to keep silent and not say anything about anyone. Graham encouraged me, “Let other people defend you.” I think the court made a mistake, and I didn’t know that I’d been guilty until three weeks ago. I didn’t know that I got a sentence of 90 days in court until three weeks ago. No one told me.

 

No one told him? Right. :pantsonfire:

Also, as if we needed more confirmation that Franklin Graham is a major fucking asshole...

ETA: There is a major exegesis of the CT interview at Spiritual Sounding Board.

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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

So, it looks like the Abedinis are filing for divorce. The article includes a quote from Nagmeh's Facebook page.

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Naghmeh Abedini

on Tuesday

It is with a heavy and broken heart that I inform all of you who have prayed and wept with our family the last few years, that Saeed has rejected counseling for anger and abuse and has filed for a divorce. There will be a time to share more fully, but for now, we appreciate your prayers.

It sounds like he is the one filing, not her. I guess she kept hoping that he would come to counseling?

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hoipolloi

According to Spiritual Sounding Board, Saeed Abedini has filed for divorce. Quoting Saeed's Facebook announcement:

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There are no words to describe the ongoing effect of the trauma I experienced and my family has experienced both during and in the aftermath of my imprisonment. We are different people, and we are hurting people. It pains me to say, but I have decided the only path toward healing is apart, and not together. Sometimes as Christians, we experience pain for which there is no explanation in this life, yet we must continue, even in the hardest of times, to look to Christ for strength, grace and comfort.

The Idaho Statesman mentioned on the TRO violations in their write-up of the pending divorce action.

Looks like the professional victim will be crying all the way to the bank.

The prior thread on Abedini has more background info on what happened, including links to older court records.

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paganbaby

I saw that earlier, and I thought his bleating translated to, "I'm using my wife's refusal to be a punching bag as an excuse to move away from my parental responsibilities and grift myself a better lifestyle."

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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

It looks like Saeed Abedini still hasn't had his "coming to Jesus" moment. He was arrested Sunday night for violating a no-contact order again. I say "again", because:

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Abedini pleaded guilty in 2017 to violating another protective order, and was sentenced to probation.

He really needs an attitude adjustment, IMHO.

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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?

Julie Anne has updated the Resource Bibliography on the Saeed and Nagmeh Abedini Situation over at Spiritual Sounding Board. I found two new things, in the 2018 section.

The first is an article by Libby Anne at Love, Joy, Feminism titled: Alleged Abuser Saeed Abedini Still Working as Pastor. In it she says:

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But in reading the article in the Idaho Statesman, one line struck me in particular:

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Abedini told Magistrate Judge Thomas Watkins he left Boise nine months ago, moving to Lynchburg, Virginia, where he continues to work as a minister.

Despite Nagmeh’s allegations, Saeed is still working as a pastor.

The second thing I noticed is a link to a post on Saeed's Facebook page, which mostly seems to me to be a self-serving bunch of excuses about why he's right and Nagmeh is wrong. I was struck by the picture at the bottom of the post, and I'd be curious to see what anyone else thinks of it.

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He looks different enough from his usual pictures that I wasn't even sure it was him, at first. Does anyone else find the pose kind of threatening, or am I imagining things? For reference, here's his profile picture, which looks a lot more like most of the pictures I've seen of him.

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Anyway, I figured putting this info here keeps it all in one spot for future reference. 

Edited by WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?
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WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?
Posted (edited)
On 3/30/2018 at 1:10 AM, WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo? said:

Anyway, I figured putting this info here keeps it all in one spot for future reference. 

In that same vein, I was browsing through the last few months of posts on Spiritual Sounding Board, and found an entry from last November about a Facebook post from Naghmeh Panahi (formerly Naghmeh Abedini).

https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/11/28/naghmeh-panahi-ex-wife-of-former-iranian-prisoner-pastor-saeed-abedini-posts-public-statement-on-facebook/

It sounds like she and her kids are still in a painful place in their efforts to recover from Saeed's treatment of them. As before, I hope they can heal and move on with their lives. 

Edited by WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?
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BullyJBG

She is proving that no, she WASN'T seeking to leave Saaed for another man, as some were saying at the time. I bless her. And, in fact, if she doesn't feel right about dating again, I don't blame her. Enough time has passed that if she WERE to find someone else who would love her and the kids as they need, that there's no threads of that, so I wouldn't judge her that way either.

  Now hopefully women like Lori will stay FAR away from her.

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