Josh Duggar Part 9: Adult Film Star Lawsuits are so Godly

[nastyhobbitses]

I fully believe if she had an alternative career choice she would not have gone back.  Chances are, she doesn't. So it's either no go back or not feed her family (IMO). 

I think it was a combination of things that made her agree to Round 2.

1. Money. Yes, there's no shortage of horny men with fat checkbooks, but Josh was probably especially willing to pay up and pay well so she'd stay quiet.

2. Josh very likely has a lot of superficial charm. Heck, there were moments before the scandal where I said "yeah, he's a total bigoted doucheaircraftcarrier, but occasionally he has moments of being kinda sweet". I could easily see him turning up the charm after the first encounter and essentially luring her back in. She, like Anna, like a lot of people, thought that he'd seen the error of his ways and would be good this time. Nope.

[JenniferJuniper]

 

Obviously, I have screwed up the quote.

Anyway. "On or about" is always used when writing a complaint or motion. It gives you leeway even when you know that exact date. 

I will stay in my lonely corner as someone who believes that Danica is only looking for money. I don't think she was psychologically damaged. I don't think she has gathered her strength to confront her abuser.  I don't think she is a champion for abused women. I don't think she went to Radaronline or wherever it was, and hooked herself up to a lie detector test for any other reason than money.This may have been the dumbest think she could have done as it will completely affect her credibility in front of a jury.I think she sees an opportunity and has decided to take it. Had she filed the lawsuit without the lie detector/interview fiasco I would have given her more credit. Danica being a stripper or prostitute doesn't make me doubt her. It's the convoluted and ridiculous story she tells that makes me disbelieve her. 

If she did have sex with Josh, and can prove it, I think the lawsuit will settle. Not necessarily because he is guilty of anything against her but because it is cheaper to settle than spend the money to take a case to trial. I don't for a minute believe that there will ever be depositions, a trial or anything juicy for us to snark on. Even if Josh is deposed, we will never see that deposition. Depositions are not necessarily public record. The court doesn't get a copy, at least in my state. The deposition would likely be kept confidential. 

I highly doubt Jill, Jessa or their parents would be deposed and any attorney worth their salt would fight those subpoenas. Realistically, the argument could be successfully made that their testimony is unnecessary and irrelevant. I cannot see any ethical judge saying he has no problem having them testify about child molestation in a case where he had consensual sex with an adult prostitute. Danica says that he was rough with her and that she felt dirty but she isn't saying that she was raped. Child molestation and what Danica is alleging are not the same thing. There is also no need for Jim Bob and Michelle to testify as to the child molestation. One does not have to do with the other as much as we may try to tie them together.You don't get complete free reign to ask or do anything you want just because there is a lawsuit. The court can limit testimony, depositions, written discovery, etc. if it feels that it is a fishing expedition not likely to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. I despise Josh as much as the next person but I am not going to jump on the bandwagon of anyone just because they are going after him. 

No, you are not alone.  The motivation for most civil lawsuits is money.  In her case, toss in more publicity which may lead to even more money.  She's not getting any younger, and like NFL players, sex workers and porn actors usually have short careers.

And I agree with most of the rest of your commentary about the potential proceedings (although there is always the threat his deposition could make it into the public record, depending on what happens with the case).

But we don't have to take the side of either one because neither is the "good and honorable" side.  Whether she is grossly embellishing or not, Danica has the right to sue him.  Juries award damages to not-so-honest people along with honest ones all the time (and in Philly, where this is venued, juries tend to be very generous if they don't like a defendant or think his pockets are sufficiently deep), and for a variety of reasons defendants settle out with fakers and exaggerators frequently as well.   As for Josh, he is hardly a sympathetic character and has a daddy who can easily afford a 50 - 100k defense if he chooses to go forward and defend the allegations and clear his, cough, good name.

Danica's attorney deliberately left off the usual "negligent infliction of emotional distress" counts which plaintiffs often add to these sorts of complaints to hopefully trigger a full defense under a liability insurance policy.  All allegations are intentional in nature, so Josh will have to pay for his own defense.  I can't say for sure here, but this is usually done to put the squeeze on a defendant to settle early, rather than pay for an expensive defense only to also pay a verdict or settlement much later.  Not to mention that her attorney wants to get paid without doing too much work if his fee is contingency-based.

 

[Guest]

FJ doesn't ban people! Maybe you'll get thrown in the prayer closet or something for saying something so awful, but no banning.  

I was just joshin' with ya.

Okay, maybe I should phrase that better...

[DuggarWatch]

FJ doesn't ban people! Maybe you'll get thrown in the prayer closet or something for saying something so awful, but no banning.  

FJ does ban people.  I don't know the reasons.

http://www.freejinger.org/search/?type=core_members&group[68]=1&csrfKey=976493c7b8d395b5744564a6f6c111fe

[JesSky03]

.... I love Jar Jar.

Don't ban me!

Me too!!

[Drala]

Does anyone agree with the rumor that Josh may have been kicked out of or possibly chosen to leave Reformers United on short notice? Sante Center for Healing was brought up in one tabloid article as a possible new location for Josh. IF so and yes it is a huge if, the Google reviews don't make it sound like a particularly effective treatment center. Lots of former clients complaining about money grubbing practices and lack of professionalism among the staff. Interestingly people either loved it or hated it. Not much middle ground. If Josh is there JB still has some money as the place runs $30K a month according to reviewers posts. . 

I don't know where Josh is at the moment, but the Sante Center was mentioned because the Duggars flew from Springfield to the Denton/Dallas-FW area (where Sante is located) the day after they flew out of Rockford (where RU is located) to Springfield.  What makes the Sante Center different than RU is that it is actually delivers behavioral health treatment, whereas RU is a Christian discipleship school.  Sante uses the disease model to treat a disorder, RU uses the Bible to treat a "besetting sin."  That Josh "sinned" by watching pornography is a given; whether he actually has an addictive disorder related to an obsession with viewing pornography remains to be determined.   Just because Josh says he is an addict doesn't mean he meets clinical criteria for an addictive disorder.  

Most behavioral health treatment models include a spirituality/religious component.  In the part of the world where Josh lives, the term is "faith based."  Sante doesn't feature this component in their treatment philosophy, as do other residential treatment centers in the area.    Sante is probably the least expensive of the residential centers in the area that treat porn/sex addiction.  Unless the person is highly functionally impaired because of a sex/porn addiction, the likelihood is that they'll receive treatment on an outpatient basis.   Long-term residential is for 1) people who can afford it, 2) people who are barely functional.

[ClaraOswin]

If Josh is really in some type of real treatment center now...

Could it be because of this lawsuit? Like "hey look...he's trying to get help. Cut him some slack. He has problems."

[Drala]

One thing that's certain about filing this lawsuit is that Danica's story went from backstreet tabloids to main street media, including FOX news.  From the standpoint of a culture war, the evil humanist heathens done struck a mighty blow agin' Gawd's chosen ones  the Duggar brand.

[VelociRapture]

FJ does ban people.  I don't know the reasons.

http://www.freejinger.org/search/?type=core_members&group[68]=1&csrfKey=976493c7b8d395b5744564a6f6c111fe

The only reason I know of that they ban people for is multiple accounts without proper notification. I know that was the case with at least one recent person on that list.

[Sundaymorning]

If Josh is really in some type of real treatment center now...

Could it be because of this lawsuit? Like "hey look...he's trying to get help. Cut him some slack. He has problems."

What I'm wondering about since the Ashley Madison scandal broke and Josh allegedly checked into rehab:

would a legit rehab (not one of these fundie ones like RU, but a "real" one) even accept him as a patient? Of course, we only know part of the story, and it could be that Josh has problems (like substance abuse) which are treated in rehabs. But from what we know, his problems don't really require a lengthy, inpatient rehab stay.

Of course, many places will probably let him stay anyway if he pays enough, but we all know how big of a cheapskate Boob is. And if they want to profit from some kind of free or discounted offering, wouldn't they examine Joshly and tell him that he, in fact, doesn't need a long inpatient treatment but that it would be enough if he got help from professionals as an outpatient? I'm sure that Springdale/Fayetteville has several psychiatrists which would be qualified for such a job.

So, unless Boob is paying big bucks, I somehow doubt that Joshly is in a legit rehab center.

[nokidsmom]

it's never a lie, it's Duggar speak which looks like bald face lying to us heathens but it's how JimBob feels we need to be spoken to because we just don't understand their super enlightened perspective.  Sort of like telling a three year old their crayon drawing is amazing and you want more.  

Yep, totally this.   This is why I am convinced that Anna had no real idea of Josh's sins the molestations when she was in courtship with Josh.  She and Pa Keller would have been told from the Duggar perspective and we got a fine view of that in the Kelly interviews.    She and Pa Keller would have no chance of discerning the BS or asking more pointed questions.

If the Duggars approach testimony in court the way they approach interviews, they could find themselves in serious trouble.   I don't envy any lawyer who takes them on. 

[FlamingFundie]

TLC just released a "preview" of the specials, and it seems Anna will be "candid" about the events. She looks much thinner during the interview, and her raw emotion is both refreshing (because we know all too well how they are forced to plaster happiness on their faces) and frightening (because of how obviously horrible she seems to feel).

http://www.tlc.com/tlcme/anna-duggar-opens-up-for-first-time-in-new-jill-jessa-counting-on-video/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=countingontlc

[DuggarWatch]

TLC just released a "preview" of the specials, and it seems Anna will be "candid" about the events. She looks much thinner during the interview, and her raw emotion is both refreshing (because we know all too well how they are forced to plaster happiness on their faces) and frightening (because of how obviously horrible she seems to feel).

http://www.tlc.com/tlcme/anna-duggar-opens-up-for-first-time-in-new-jill-jessa-counting-on-video/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=countingontlc

At least she got a little income from that.

[Mitz_]

If Josh is really in some type of real treatment center now...

Could it be because of this lawsuit? Like "hey look...he's trying to get help. Cut him some slack. He has problems."

going into  to a treatment program would might work in his favor if he was to go before a judge in criminal court but for civil court, not at all. 

 

[ClaraOswin]

At least she got a little income from that.

Except Josh basically gets it too, I'm sure.

[FlamingFundie]

I also hope beyond all hope that her candid-ness is HER choice, not because she was forced or coerced into it by anyone else.

[2manyKidzzz]

Anna does look thin, lines on her face and of course...it has all been really traumatic for her. My heart does go out to her and the Mkids.

I feel so bad for her. 

[nst]

going into  to a treatment program would might work in his favor if he was to go before a judge in criminal court but for civil court, not at all. 

 

 

maybe she gets individual money from this - a girl can dream 

Run away Anna please for your sanity at least

 

[socalrules]

TLC just released a "preview" of the specials, and it seems Anna will be "candid" about the events. She looks much thinner during the interview, and her raw emotion is both refreshing (because we know all too well how they are forced to plaster happiness on their faces) and frightening (because of how obviously horrible she seems to feel).

http://www.tlc.com/tlcme/anna-duggar-opens-up-for-first-time-in-new-jill-jessa-counting-on-video/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=countingontlc

So Anna's pain is the Duggar's gain?

I smell the spin of please feel sorry for us Godly Duggars  for our sheep (Josh) who has lost his way. See, we really are like all of you. They are now officially Kardashians. This isn't a ministry. It's famewhoring for money.

[AlwaysExcited]

"What comes next, will change everything"?
One can only hope. #freethemall

[Drala]

What I'm wondering about since the Ashley Madison scandal broke and Josh allegedly checked into rehab:

would a legit rehab (not one of these fundie ones like RU, but a "real" one) even accept him as a patient? Of course, we only know part of the story, and it could be that Josh has problems (like substance abuse) which are treated in rehabs. But from what we know, his problems don't really require a lengthy, inpatient rehab stay.

Of course, many places will probably let him stay anyway if he pays enough, but we all know how big of a cheapskate Boob is. And if they want to profit from some kind of free or discounted offering, wouldn't they examine Joshly and tell him that he, in fact, doesn't need a long inpatient treatment but that it would be enough if he got help from professionals as an outpatient? I'm sure that Springdale/Fayetteville has several psychiatrists which would be qualified for such a job.

So, unless Boob is paying big bucks, I somehow doubt that Joshly is in a legit rehab center.

Psychiatrists don't typically treat behavioral health (addictive) disorders, unless there is some need to medicate the patient and/or the psychiatrist is trained as an addictionologist to prescribe Rx like naloxone for heroin addiction.  To date, there's no evidence that Josh meets criteria for sex/porn addiction other than that he got caught on Ashley Madison and has admitted to having extramarital relations.  On the face of that alone, he doesn't meet diagnostic criteria for an addiction disorder,  It just means he has poor judgement and doesn't know how to schlep around without getting caught.

There are clinically licensed behavioral health treatment specialists who would be more than happy to assess Joshley's condition.  And yes, there are plenty of them in area where the Duggars live, and they bring the added bonus of providing faith-based services so that concerns about sin, forgiveness, repentance, and condemnation can be addressed.  If a psychiatrist also treats Josh, the doctor is likely to prescribe RX for an underlying problem like depression, bipolar or psychosis.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Josh is clinically depressed, but we're not likely to find that out even if he gets so sick that he poses a threat to himself or others and has to be carted away to a hospital.   

[silverspoons]

 

This. I'd like to add I was once at a job where I was sexually harassed - yeah I could have just quit, but it was the middle of the recession and my husband wasn't working. Sometimes you have to put up with horrible shit just to pay the bills. My situation isn't exactly the same but I can see why she may have needed to go back if she is the average bill paying American.

 

I also was in this situation. I had gone to an all women's college as an undergrad and didn't even think there was still such siutaions and sexual harassment so out in the open in a workplace. I was at a company and was forced to  transfer because I wanted to keep my great insurance and retirement plan. I was sent to a rural office where I was the only female executive. On day one I was told I was only bought in because they needed at least one women on the team. I was the brought in the most revenue , had the highest customer retention and most new customers but my boss at meetings would always praise the guy that got one new account(my boss really liked this one guy that was 42 and had just married an 18 year old still in high school. The guy would joke how is just dropped his wife off at high school and the other guys would high five him), when I had got 10 that week and I would get comments on my appearance. I was sick of hearing about my rack and butt on a daily basis.  I was also told point blank the minute I got married I would be let go because it was my husband's job to support me. I did get married and I had to hide it because I wanted to ensure I had a transfer back to another office in a big city and I wanted to finish projects with clients I liked. My boss found out I got married and went to my husband's boss. My husband salaried doubled so I could stay home and be a wife and mom. I was pissed.

Years later oh how things have changed. My husband opened his own business and now is the landlord of his old boss and has the most successful business in his industry in the area. Then my old boss who would never give me the time of day and loved to comment on my rack stopped by trying to get my husband to be a client. I loved that conservation. I was 100% in control of it and my old boss knew it. He was shocked that we lived in "the" neighborhood and in big house because he was now struggling in a rental in a bad school area. I told him sometimes being a nice person that values people gets you a lot further in life.

I look back at experience as a very important learning experience in my 20's. I had grown up in New England and as much as I traveled you really do not now what goes on in other parts of the country unless you live and work there. It was hard to hear those comments and be put down on a daily basis because I always thought if someone treated me that way I would walk away. I just really needed that insurance and because of the 8 months I stayed at the job I have that insurance for life now.

[EmmieJ]

Jim Bob put a framed picture of himself as a teenager on the countertop in the girls' bedroom.  I always thought that was creepy.  Have you ever seen anything like that in a teenage girl's bedroom?

No, and I would never expect that any teenage daughter wants a picture of her dad as a teenager on prominent display in her bedroom.  And why the hell is it a picture just of JimBob -- if they must require a parental picture in the daughters' bedroom, why isn't it a picture of both parents?  And is there a framed picture of Michelle as a teenager in the sons' bedroom?  This family is seriously screwed up and I agree that the rot starts at the top, with JimBob and his endless need for affirmation that he's not a creepy loser that can't get a girlfriend.

The least embarrassing poster I had was one of Peter Frampton.  I also had pictures of kittens.  I had a couple of photo albums with all kinds of family pictures.  But I didn't have a big framed picture of one or both my parents in my bedroom.

First rule of Fj: Never talk about part 9.

 

 

Having said that. ..I think based on flight records and an article I think I saw on Gawker that quoted a source that came from someone who says they know the person whose cousins best friend's sister  works nights at the chicken FIL-a across the street from the place, Part 9 checked into a religious based "rehab facility" yesterday for possible Internet addiction.  

Pictures, or it never happened.

[Cochise]

If Jim Bob imagines that the money his daughters get for appearing on TV will just feed back into his bank account, I wonder what their husbands will think. The daughters might think this was just normal; but the husbands? It would certainly be unusual if the cash just flowed automatically into JB's greedy and pathetic hands. 

Presumably any money JD makes doesn't subsidize his father's brood?

[SpeakNow]

I watched the Counting on Preview. In addition to feeling so so so bad for Anna, I felt dirty (for lack of a better word). It just did not feel right to me that she has to share her pain with the entire world. Something about that just feels icky and wrong (to me).