“Certificate Of Purity”

[2xx1xy1JD]

Nice to know that someone is taking their inspiration from Iran.  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2011/02/virginity-still-a-commodity-in-iran.html

I had hoped that this was some sort of joke, but the account looks real.  These people don't seem to understand that the backlash has nothing to do with her personal decision to refrain from having sex before marriage, and everyone to do with the fact that presenting your father with a doctor's certificate regarding the pristine condition of your lady bits is beyond gross.  Call me strange, but I never wanted my dad thinking about my vagina.  Ever.

 

 

[AmazonGrace]

 

Stop cheering for the old “Hands off my daughter!” shtick

The media's reaction to a viral "whatever you do to my daughter, I do to you" photo shows how little we value girls

Who wants to break it to dads that their teenage daughters are not their property? Who wants to tell them that joking about them like they are is just weird? But more than that, who wants to tell the members of the media who perpetuate that old joke just how tired it really is?

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/19/stop_cheering_for_the_old_hands_off_my_daughter_shtick/

[sophie10130]

The worst part is that this is so normal and expected that if a girl's dad doesn't do this it makes it seem as though the dad is uncaring and not a good dad.

My dad is a man of few words and never did the super over-protective shit. When I was younger I was worried when he didn't give me this type of attention, but now that I'm older I realize he trusted me to take care of myself in this aspect, and I cannot thank him enough.

[JabberJabber]

I have to wonder what the wedding guests felt about this.

I may have spluttered cornflakes over the table about this certificate.  Eww, no, no, no - hearing that at a wedding is above and beyond my duty as a wedding guest. I'm there to wish the newly married couple a happy life together and not to know what the bride might, or might not, have done prior to marriage.

As QuestioningQuivers mentioned, having a hymen is no sign that you are a virgin and that there are other ways for it to break. 

[Crocoduck]

this is just disturbing on so many levels. and i thought those "purity balls" were weird and disgusting! i guess the fundie world is becoming more and more like florida...just more crazy coming out to top the crazy that came before (no offense to any fjer floridians).

None taken.  Flori-duh is well known for the crazies.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-101-most-insane-things-that-have-ever-happened-in-florid#.rkZJ4GQ14d

Link not broken 'cause I don't have to!  THANKS Mods.

 

It's true. I live in the general neighborhood where this happened this weekend. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/us/zombicon-shooting-fort-myers-florida/index.html

[nastyhobbitses]

this is just disturbing on so many levels. and i thought those "purity balls" were weird and disgusting! i guess the fundie world is becoming more and more like florida...just more crazy coming out to top the crazy that came before (no offense to any fjer floridians).

My dad watched some news feature about purity balls and said to me (jokingly) "hey, honey, I should take you to one of those." My response (I was 19 and very decidedly not a virgin at the time): "I dunno, Dad, that ship's kinda sailed for me."

And my dad didn't care one bit. He raised me to be able to take care of myself and make my own choices, and as long as those choices were smart and healthy ones, he wasn't going to intervene or judge me. We had a good laugh about the idea of crashing a purity ball together and watched more documentary clips about them, commenting about how weird and creepy they are. This is why I love my dad.

[Toothfairy]

So how does a doctor tell if you're a virgin?  I mean the hymen can break using tampons, riding a bike, playing sports, etc. And why does she need to seek validation?  Attention whores?

[Fundie Bunny]

So how does a doctor tell if you're a virgin?  I mean the hymen can break using tampons, riding a bike, playing sports, etc. And why does she need to seek validation?  Attention whores?

And not only that, the hymen doesn't always break after losing virginity. And some women are born without an hymen. Do these people even know anything about the human body?

And by the way, father and hymen in the same sentece makes me want to vomit

[Peas n carrots]

Talk about an unhealthy father/daughter relationship.

As much as my dad likes to believe my siblings and I are as pure as driven snow, I think the last thing he wants to talk with us about is our sex lives. Actually, it is the bottom of the list of things I want to discuss with my dad.

Ick

[MatthewDuggar]

As creepy and revolting as this is, I have so many questions.  

I know she signed a commitment to her father to "stay pure", but where is the mother in all this?  I skimmed the article and maybe missed it.

Did she publicly announce she had signed this agreement?  Why this wasn't done in private is beyond me.  It's truly a slap in the face to victims of sexual assault and otherwise.

My knowledge of the scriptures is intermediate at best, but where in the Bible does is say that father's must protect their daughter's virginity until marriage?

[JillsFlowerHeadband]

Ew... the whole "dad as surrogate husband until actual husband comes along" is gross anyway but this- I agree with a previous poster that I sure wouldn't want my dad thinking about my nether regions like that, and knowing my dad I'm sure he'd feel the same way... and yep, as others have stated, some girls are born without hymens. Some girls are avid bicyclists, horseback riders (I rode horses a lot as a child... and some of my grandfather's more docile cows... and our Great Dane... and the neighbor's lazy old goat....), gymnasts/dancers/softball players/ice skaters/etc. How does a doctor tell using that alone? 

 

As creepy and revolting as this is, I have so many questions.  

I know she signed a commitment to her father to "stay pure", but where is the mother in all this?  I skimmed the article and maybe missed it.

Did she publicly announce she had signed this agreement?  Why this wasn't done in private is beyond me.  It's truly a slap in the face to victims of sexual assault and otherwise.

My knowledge of the scriptures is intermediate at best, but where in the Bible does is say that father's must protect their daughter's virginity until marriage?

(bolding mine)

If I understand it correctly, I think fundies get this idea from some provision in Leviticus where if a man accuses his wife of not being a virgin that her father can go before the elders to defend her or something like that.  (I don't get the picking and choosing in the Mosaic law that fundies seem to universally practice. Jesus himself reduced the volumes and volumes of the law in Leviticus to "love God, love your neighbor"... did they miss that or is that just way too easy?)

[MatthewDuggar]

 

As creepy and revolting as this is, I have so many questions.  

I know she signed a commitment to her father to "stay pure", but where is the mother in all this?  I skimmed the article and maybe missed it.

Did she publicly announce she had signed this agreement?  Why this wasn't done in private is beyond me.  It's truly a slap in the face to victims of sexual assault and otherwise.

My knowledge of the scriptures is intermediate at best, but where in the Bible does is say that father's must protect their daughter's virginity until marriage?

(bolding mine)

If I understand it correctly, I think fundies get this idea from some provision in Leviticus where if a man accuses his wife of not being a virgin that her father can go before the elders to defend her or something like that.  (I don't get the picking and choosing in the Mosaic law that fundies seem to universally practice. Jesus himself reduced the volumes and volumes of the law in Leviticus to "love God, love your neighbor"... did they miss that or is that just way too easy?)

Thanks, I figured there was something regarding it.  It was just not a topic I would ever think to research biblically. 

[sparkles]

Every time I read this thread, I feel like I need to take a long, hot shower so I can scrub away the skeeve. The idea that my FATHER would be so invested in the state of my hymen is just beyond words. As is the idea that these people don't think there's anything wrong with it. What's next? Chastity belts?

[Gimme a Free RV]

So how does a doctor tell if you're a virgin?  I mean the hymen can break using tampons, riding a bike, playing sports, etc. And why does she need to seek validation?  Attention whores?

And not only that, the hymen doesn't always break after losing virginity. And some women are born without an hymen. Do these people even know anything about the human body?

And by the way, father and hymen in the same sentece makes me want to vomit

Re: the bolded above--this happened to me, a few weeks after I was married and very "active."

(Also, what these fundies are missing is this:  there are plenty of other ways to loose your purity on your own terms.  A person can remain a technical virgin while having engaged in all manner of sexual activity.  Sex isn't only intercourse.  Of course, we know that.  Apparently, they don't...or they just don't want to face reality.) 

[jerkit]

I just don't get it. Why would anyone involved WANT this?

Additionally, what would she have done if she had torn her hymen via exercise or tampon use? Would she be damaged goods?

[Cartmann99]

So how does a doctor tell if you're a virgin?  I mean the hymen can break using tampons, riding a bike, playing sports, etc. And why does she need to seek validation?  Attention whores?

And not only that, the hymen doesn't always break after losing virginity. And some women are born without an hymen. Do these people even know anything about the human body?

And by the way, father and hymen in the same sentece makes me want to vomit

Re: the bolded above--this happened to me, a few weeks after I was married and very "active."

(Also, what these fundies are missing is this:  there are plenty of other ways to loose your purity on your own terms.  A person can remain a technical virgin while having engaged in all manner of sexual activity.  Sex isn't only intercourse.  Of course, we know that.  Apparently, they don't...or they just don't want to face reality.) 

I read an article a while back about a porn star who had never had vaginal intercourse in real life or in her movies. She was planning on doing this big promotional event where she would "lose her virginity" on camera. 

[Gimme a Free RV]

You may need after this comment, but...

How would daddy feel about a certificate of oral purity?

 

  

Stamp/tattoo for every body part that hasn't been touched prior to marriage.

[Lovebug]

I'm not sure what's more disturbing - the fact that she presented her dad with a my-hymen-is-intact certificate, or the fact that they actually PLANNED when it incorporate the presentation of this certificate into the wedding itself.  Can you imagine what that conversation was like?

 

On a separate and probably more disgusting note, when I married my first husband the reception was winding down and my then brand new FIL asked, and I quote, "So, you guys gonna have sex tonight?"  I was married less than 8 hours to his son when he actually looked me in the eyes and asked that question.  I was MORTIFIED - it was the creepiest, most disgusting and inappropriate thing I'd ever experienced in my life.  The only thing I could think to utter was, "Did you really just ask me that question?"  Good times!

[clueliss]

It disturbs  me that any girl child would even think that she has to go out and get Daddy a certificate to prove to Daddy that she's 'pure.'  

[Gimme a Free RV]

And what does daddy do with that framed certificate afterward?

"Down this hall's a picture of your grandma and me on our wedding day, a picture of your mommy and daddy on their wedding day, and here's the certificate that reminds me you were conceived after the ceremony."

[prayawaythefundie]

Do you think there will be fundie girls telling their weird controlling dads they just didn't make it to the doctor's before the wedding?

 

Suggestions for a new post count title:

Certified Virgin^TM

Lost My Certificate Of Purity

 

[browncoatslytherin]

I just don't get it. Why would anyone involved WANT this?

Additionally, what would she have done if she had torn her hymen via exercise or tampon use? Would she be damaged goods?

or what if she wasn't born with a hymen? you think her dad would have believed her?

[IreneIssh]

I just don't get it. Why would anyone involved WANT this?

Additionally, what would she have done if she had torn her hymen via exercise or tampon use? Would she be damaged goods?

 

 

or what if she wasn't born with a hymen? you think her dad would have believed her?

Would the doctor have given her a Certificate of Whoredom if her hymen was broken?

ETA: I might make myself up one of those. You know, make it official. 

[AngelGirl8811]

I just don't get it. Why would anyone involved WANT this?

Additionally, what would she have done if she had torn her hymen via exercise or tampon use? Would she be damaged goods?

 

 

or what if she wasn't born with a hymen? you think her dad would have believed her?

Would the doctor have given her a Certificate of Whoredom if her hymen was broken?

That's a good question. What would the doctor have done if her hymen wasn't intact? I mean obviously it could have been broken in anyway but seriously? Would she have been called a whore? Fundies be crazy! 

I think that if I went to give my Dad a certificate like that at my wedding (Not possible but that's an aside), that he would bust out laughing and tell me that there was something wrong with me. That he didn't want to know what I was doing or not doing, that it was my business because it was my life. 

[withaj]

There's so much wrong with this it's hard to focus on one thing, but I keep thinking how weird it is that it's HIS name on the certificate, not hers. So much creepy and dangerous patriarchal nonsense all around.

Haven't seen this mentioned, but the OB/GYN is a woman -- I saw an image of the certificate on another site and was able to zoom in enough to read her name. From googling, I see she's a relatively young woman, too. How awful that she participated in this travesty.