Teri Maxwell gets passive aggressive about the ABC girls

[HerNameIsBuffy]

But do you think the MaxDudes have any impressive work histories to show off? And honestly, I think they are a combination of incredibly arrogant and awkward as hell in interviews. If a Maxwell deigns to ever even be interviewed...

Not from anything I've seen - I'm just saying I personally wouldn't hold the degree thing against them. One of my earliest posts was mocking Nathan's bio on that site and after re-reading it I stand my original derision. However, someone upthread said his Linkedin was well done and professional - hopefully this means he's gotten better at promoting himself and he actually does have a skill level not evident on the 1 ton ramp bio page. I haven't seen his Linkedin (but if it's good he either needs to redo or delete the bio on his site or he'll be dismissed before the interview by a lot of people.

I just checked out his Linkedin and it's not bad - good enough that I'm having trouble believing a Maxwell could have written it. It does read like the Linkedin of an IT professional as opposed to that little essay on the 1 Ton site. Impressive? Assuming everything he has on there is true and assuming the scope of his work is mid-range experience (he's done it more than once, but isn't writing books about it - wide range, sorry) the stuff he has for Communication Concepts is fine - if he can back it up. Although he should really kill this because the way it's worded is a total wtf:

--Network Administration (even PC support) - Consultant's skillsets can disappear into the clouds. Clouds in this case refer to a fairytale land devoid of reality. I continue to stay involved with my clients at the server, network, and desktop level. This keeps my skills current and allows reality to actively invade my consulting projects.

I've hired this type of consultant both for projects and for long term additional IT support on retainer; you can certainly make a decent living if you are good and have enough steady clients that pay on time. Going rate is about $110-$145 an hour IME...there are some who cannot possibly take as much business as they are offered due to only so many hours in the day and have to either hire staff (which sucks for those who really just want to work as lone guns) or turn people down. And others who are scrambling to find clients. In order to be a good consultant beyond the skills is knowing how to schedule time properly...I think the Maxwells have access to some materials on scheduling. :D

I'd have googled the companies he worked for and I'd have crossed him off my list once I got to 1 Ton. Looks innocuous on Linkedin as it's barely a mention, but this site itself...I don't care if he can conjure magical security protocols to protect my network from everything bad and yet not impeding any legit packets or activity I wouldn't work with someone who would clearly be uncomfortable working with a woman. That 1 ton site is basically a screed about how girls have cooties.

I really hope this is the route he's taken as I think exposure to others in the real world can only help lead him away from the extremity. Even though IT is still a male dominated field, that is changing and if he has a variety of secular clients he'll have to work with women. And he'll certainly have to work with men who don't share the isolationist ideas and I have to believe that exposure to normal will benefit him.

If he had to work with me he might find that no, I don't reverence anyone (and he may overhear me calling my headship to remind him to order dinner) and yes, I leave the house unescorted, wearing pants...and I wouldn't eat a burrito on a bet but that doesn't make me the devil. I'm not lighting the world on fire writing new and creative code, but I know my job, I'm cooperative, easy to work with (if you're not an idiot), love my family, not out to ruin society by bringing my lady parts into the IT office.

I don't know why they think women shouldn't have professional positions, honestly. Is it just their weird social mores or is it based on beliefs that we're not as capable or intelligent as men? Because if it's the former maybe nothing can change that, but if Steve misled him into thinking that women were intellectually inferior than exposure to the outside world will absolutely dispel that nonsense and maybe make him start questioning everything. Maybe wishful thinking but those little girls of his deserve to grow up knowing their daddy believes they have just as much potential and are as deserving of opportunities as their brother.

edited to remove redundancy. at least one of them

[anjulibai]

It's mainly about their social beliefs - women are not supposed to be working outside the home. We've seen Sarah and Anna both learn coding languages, so they can definitely believe women are capable of doing this stuff (not sure about Mary, but I do recall posts about Sarah and Anna). They even think it's a good idea for a wife to know that sort of stuff so she can help her husband.

But, woman aren't supposed to do anything that doesn't support their husbands' or their fathers' goals. They are supposed to stay at home, raise the children and keep the household running.

[defraudingjezebel]

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I've hired this type of consultant both for projects and for long term additional IT support on retainer; you can certainly make a decent living if you are good and have enough steady clients that pay on time. Going rate is about $110-$145 an hour IME...there are some who cannot possibly take as much business as they are offered due to only so many hours in the day and have to either hire staff (which sucks for those who really just want to work as lone guns) or turn people down. And others who are scrambling to find clients. In order to be a good consultant beyond the skills is knowing how to schedule time properly...I think the Maxwells have access to some materials on scheduling. :D

I'd have googled the companies he worked for and I'd have crossed him off my list once I got to 1 Ton. Looks innocuous on Linkedin as it's barely a mention, but this site itself...I don't care if he can conjure magical security protocols to protect my network from everything bad and yet not impeding any legit packets or activity I wouldn't work with someone who would clearly be uncomfortable working with a woman. That 1 ton site is basically a screed about how girls have cooties.

I really hope this is the route he's taken as I think exposure to others in the real world can only help lead him away from the extremity. Even though IT is still a male dominated field, that is changing and if he has a variety of secular clients he'll have to work with women. And he'll certainly have to work with men who don't share the isolationist ideas and I have to believe that exposure to normal will benefit him.

If he had to work with me he might find that no, I don't reverence anyone (and he may overhear me calling my headship to remind him to order dinner) and yes, I leave the house unescorted, wearing pants...and I wouldn't eat a burrito on a bet but that doesn't make me the devil. I'm not lighting the world on fire writing new and creative code, but I know my job, I'm cooperative, easy to work with (if you're not an idiot), love my family, not out to ruin society by bringing my lady parts into the IT office.

I don't know why they think women shouldn't have professional positions, honestly. Is it just their weird social mores or is it based on beliefs that we're not as capable or intelligent as men? Because if it's the former maybe nothing can change that, but if Steve misled him into thinking that women were intellectually inferior than exposure to the outside world will absolutely dispel that nonsense and maybe make him start questioning everything. Maybe wishful thinking but those little girls of his deserve to grow up knowing their daddy believes they have just as much potential and are as deserving of opportunities as their brother.

edited to remove redundancy. at least one of them

I get the gyst that most fundies have a complementarian view towards gender.... they don't outright say that women are less capable than men. They just say women have a different skillset that pertains more to matters of childrearing, cooking, cleaning, etc. Its very dismissive and super gender essentialist. I'm sure they admit that women are capable of doing IT type of work but their complimentarian viewpoint combined with the idea that women shouldn't work outside of the home makes me think that they'd balk at the idea of a woman doing advanced training in computer/programming type fo work.

[mango_fandango]

About the Nate/Chris/Joseph thing: so you don't need a degree necessarily to work in IT. What employers would look for though is experience. Like what nausicaa25 said, I doubt they have impressive work histories. Ah well, they're self-employed pretty much, and I don't see them getting a job with any kind of major company any time soon. It's far better to keep away from Godless heathens in all instances.

As an aside: Drew likes phones, so Steve clipped his phone onto Drew's pants. That was seriously worthy of a blog post? :roll:

[SPHASH]

About the Nate/Chris/Joseph thing: so you don't need a degree necessarily to work in IT. What employers would look for though is experience. Like what nausicaa25 said, I doubt they have impressive work histories. Ah well, they're self-employed pretty much, and I don't see them getting a job with any kind of major company any time soon. It's far better to keep away from Godless heathens in all instances.

As an aside: Drew likes phones, so Steve clipped his phone onto Drew's pants. That was seriously worthy of a blog post? :roll:

And balls. Drew likes balls too! :roll: Ruthie likes balls to but only a pic of Drew holding one.

[DaffyDill]

I know a lot of successful IT people and I can count on one hand the number who have a degree in CS. A fair few have degrees which are completely unrelated, and as many or more have some college but not a degree.

The Maxwells not having degrees wouldn't bother me at all if I were looking to hire. IT is about what you can do whether you got the fundamentals from school or otj. I also give little weight to certs because I know a lot of people with certs who I wouldn't let within 10 feet of any of my servers. Some people with certs are awesome and some are just good at brain dumping and exams but can't apply it irl. For what they do if I were hiring it would be all about the work history to get in the door and the interview. In depth conversation and when helpful taking it to a test environment with dummy data so they can show, not tell.

Buffy, my hubby would love your attitude. In his department, they used to hire based upon the qualifications of the person, their CV, their answering of questions - you know, the usual stuff.

He was unhappy with the quality of people joining his team. They had little or no RL experience, even though they had enough certifications to wallpaper a small room. So he devised a test, and a small lab (some Cisco equipment), and by using this, applicants can show what they can do, rather than just wave a Microsoft MCSE and try to call it good. He also requested less of an HR presence on interviews, as they had no clue about the level of ability these applicants needed to have.

It's working out great so far :D

[Dru]

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And balls. Drew likes balls too! :roll: Ruthie likes balls to but only a pic of Drew holding one.

But we've already seen Ruthie with a ball. Remember Teri forcing one on her back in August?

[SPHASH]

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But we've already seen Ruthie with a ball. Remember Teri forcing one on her back in August?

Yes I do. Speaking of Teri, I noticed at Jesse's what some might call a birthday party she just sat there and didn't engage any of the little ones. Granted the ABC girls were helping Jesse open presents but she could have sat Drew or one of Chris/Anna's kids in her lap.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Yes I do. Speaking of Teri, I noticed at Jesse's what some might call a birthday party she just sat there and didn't engage any of the little ones. Granted the ABC girls were helping Jesse open presents but she could have sat Drew or one of Chris/Anna's kids in her lap.

I don't think Teri has much of a nurturing side, sadly.

[KnittingOwl]

Yes I do. Speaking of Teri, I noticed at Jesse's what some might call a birthday party she just sat there and didn't engage any of the little ones. Granted the ABC girls were helping Jesse open presents but she could have sat Drew or one of Chris/Anna's kids in her lap.

Obviously not. It's not their scheduled time with Terri.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

I don't think Teri has much of a nurturing side, sadly.

ITA and you know what's either sad or ironic, depending on ones pov is that Teri is someone I think would have looked forward to the empty nest and moving into the next part of life where it was just she and Steve.

But she's trapped into having perpetual 'children' at home with no end is site an endless loop of a circumstance she didn't seem to particularly enjoy when they were young and needed constant mothering.

And I'm not saying she or any parents who embrace the empty nest season of life don't love their kids...just she sure doesn't seem to want them home because she loved being a mommy so much she doesn't want it to end.

(Spell check first wanted to change mothering to 'bothering' and then 'smothering'. Spell check knows we're talking about the Maxwells.)

[Paperplate]

ITA and you know what's either sad or ironic, depending on ones pov is that Teri is someone I think would have looked forward to the empty nest and moving into the next part of life where it was just she and Steve.

But she's trapped into having perpetual 'children' at home with no end is site an endless loop of a circumstance she didn't seem to particularly enjoy when they were young and needed constant mothering.

And I'm not saying she or any parents who embrace the empty nest season of life don't love their kids...just she sure doesn't seem to want them home because she loved being a mommy so much she doesn't want it to end.

(Spell check first wanted to change mothering to 'bothering' and then 'smothering'. Spell check knows we're talking about the Maxwells.)

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