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I never thought that the reason why Steve took the boys to the homeless shelter was to scare them. But now knowing what Steve was all about. It makes a lot of sense. 

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That's hilarious!  I have just searched their site for "please pray" and I can't believe the things they ask the sheeple to pray for.

Of course, it is because Satan!

http://blog.titus2.com/2007/08/24/an-update-on-life/

 Most of the family has been hit with a cold/flu and some have been pretty sick (including Dad). Please pray for them as they recover. We always find the few weeks before a trip are filled with unexpected trials. We feel that there is definite spiritual warfare because Satan tries to deter us from going where Jesus wants us to be!

Prayer works though, especially if your dad prays for a surprise "get well" treatment from the Lord!

http://blog.titus2.com/2007/09/24/day-17-hartford-area-connecticut/

I am very grateful to all who prayed for my voice Thursday evening. I wasn’t sure if my voice was going to hold out to be able to give the workshop. I asked Anna if she would help me with the workshop, and she graciously agreed. As I started Womanhood, I felt my voice wasn’t going to make it. Then, as the time progressed, it was amazing; my voice actually got better! I can only attribute the change to prayer! By the next morning, I was feeling better overall, and I believe it was an answer to my dad’s prayer, who, unbeknownst to me, had prayed that Mary and I would feel better the next morning.

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Good idea!  Here is one for fixing a bus:  http://blog.titus2.com/2009/04/

We are a little discouraged, because Dad and John found the bus windows still leak :-( . We are very disappointed with the place we had originally had the work done last summer, and then we took it back to them last fall after we discovered the leaking windows. We thought they had fixed it, but no, they’re still leaking. Please pray for Dad as he figures out how to fix the problem!

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While looking for more inane things the Maxwells pray for I came across quite a gem.  Teri can't parent so she chooses not too and Steve seems to pretty much be a drill Sargent.

http://articles.titus2.com/a-controlling-wife-and-mother/

Spending many days each year on the road means that we are often packing up from a hotel room early in the morning, heading for the van. I was struggling with trying to get five children up, through their personal Bible time, in and out of the bathroom, down to the breakfast room, packed up, and out the door those mornings. Often I could hear a commander-style tone in my voice as I told each person what he or she needed to accomplish. This process was making miserable mornings for me, and I don’t think my children liked it either.

My justification was that Steve wanted to be driving at a certain time so I should be facilitating that process. That was true, but my methods were not the godly ones that I desired them to be. Steve was right there in the room with us. As the father, he was capable of directing the children if he felt they weren’t moving at the speed they needed to go, or if they weren’t doing what he thought they should be doing.

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Let us not forget the prayers for a new cell phone case.

http://blog.titus2.com/2013/10/17/even-little-things-can-encourage-answered-prayer/

I think Nathan was very involved in their "ministry" at the men's mission but I'm pretty sure that was before he and Melanie had children. I haven't heard anything about it since then.

There was one instance I recall where they did stop to help someone, on one of their conference trips, I think, when a woman spun out on the highway. Of course, they couldn't just help her out of kindness and concern. They had to somehow link it up to doom-and-gloom-you-never-know-when-you're-time-is-up-do-you-know-where-you're going-when-you-die.

They rescue squirrels too, which is nice, but even then, blah, blah, blah, Jebus.

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That God guy is one strange gift-giver. Starvation, homelessness, violent civil unrest...he's not getting involved. But Teri needs a new phone case - well! He is ON it. I guess you gotta pick your battles when you're omnipotent. :roll:

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Someone who has been fasting for a week.  He needs a cheeseburger stat!

And yes, the only logical explanation for the broken glass is drinking teenagers. :roll:

Glass ONLY breaks around drinking teenagers.  Car accidents and broken glass near a road -- never.

It's amazing how that whole post reads like we're going to hear about how they helped their "friend" on the road...then they don't.  How astoundingly Christian and Jesus-like of them.  

Well they did bake cookies or something for police officers on Christmas or Thanksgiving or something a few years ago.  But they asked the cops to come to the Maxwell house to pick them up!  Couldn't be bothered bringing them to the police station. 

Hahaha! I forgot about this.  WTF. Amazing.  How does that work out in their minds? How do they justify that?

That God guy is one strange gift-giver. Starvation, homelessness, violent civil unrest...he's not getting involved. But Teri needs a new phone case - well! He is ON it. I guess you gotta pick your battles when you're omnipotent. :roll:

Well, maybe if one thinks of God like this, it's possible to justify calling the police officers to come by to pick up their own gift.  

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Steve has admitted the Homeless shelter visits were Nathan's idea (formed after he was married and left home) and he'd rather not go.  He makes the most of it and likens it to other opportunities to preach, eg at checkout assistants and telemarketers. :my_rolleyes:

It's not about helping others, just satisfying his own wishes.

We especially love to tell others about Jesus and what He has done for us. An excellent place affording that opportunity is the homeless shelter where we go one Saturday afternoon a month. Nathan, my oldest married son, is the one who introduced us to the shelter. Frankly, I would be happy not to go because I’m out of my comfort zone there, but it is always a blessing once we go. We also delight in sharing Jesus with telemarketers, store checkout personnel, and the people we meet while traveling.

 

It is interesting that many of the chidults seem to have expressed genuine desires to serve others, albeit in ways that reflect their holier-than-thou upbringing.  Nathan set up the homeless gig, Chris wanted to be an EMT, Jesse wanted to be a missionary overseas, John actually went on a short-term mission trip. Mary and Anna spend money all year round on Christmas shoe boxes, Sarah fantasises about marrying a missionary in Africa in the Moody books.

If they were ever allowed out into the real world as youngsters they may well have developed natural altruistic feelings and motives, and contact with the outside world might have increased their ability to think critically about whether their good intentions actually meet real needs..  But ultimately, Steve heard from the Lord every single time about how being at home is their ultimate mission in life.  He has their hearts in a vice-grip and they are all right where he wants them.

Except John the rebel, maybe. ;)

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Perhaps they left the broken glass to see if the barefoot runner is worthy of their "friendship." Surely if this guy loves God enough, God will remove the broken glass for him.  Easier than sending Teri a phone case. If not then hurting your feet is a great chance to think about where you'll go when you die!

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I think I might start sharing Jesus with telemarketers instead of telling them to put me on the DO NOT CALL list.  It might be more effective. :my_lightbulb:

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Steve has admitted the Homeless shelter visits were Nathan's idea (formed after he was married and left home) and he'd rather not go.  He makes the most of it and likens it to other opportunities to preach, eg at checkout assistants and telemarketers. :my_rolleyes:

It's not about helping others, just satisfying his own wishes.

It is interesting that many of the chidults seem to have expressed genuine desires to serve others, albeit in ways that reflect their holier-than-thou upbringing.  Nathan set up the homeless gig, Chris wanted to be an EMT, Jesse wanted to be a missionary overseas, John actually went on a short-term mission trip. Mary and Anna spend money all year round on Christmas shoe boxes, Sarah fantasises about marrying a missionary in Africa in the Moody books.

If they were ever allowed out into the real world as youngsters they may well have developed natural altruistic feelings and motives, and contact with the outside world might have increased their ability to think critically about whether their good intentions actually meet real needs..  But ultimately, Steve heard from the Lord every single time about how being at home is their ultimate mission in life.  He has their hearts in a vice-grip and they are all right where he wants them.

Except John the rebel, maybe. ;)

Fascinating post, blessalessi and not something I have thought about.  It makes sense that the children did turn out to have altruistic desires because I believe their parents made them focus on the Bible and its teachings above everything else (making them outline the Bible in order to graduate.)  After spending your young life immersed in that mind set, how could you not think that Jesus was the ideal human being and the way he conducted his life was ideal?  Unfortunately as we on FJ know Steve is nowhere near Christ-like preferring to please himself rather than anyone else and pretending to speak for God every time he opens his mouth. This gives me hope that when Steve finally dies his family will be free to pursue those desires to serve others (as long as they are not guilted into serving Teri.)

It also makes me realize how little the Duggar offspring are like the Maxwell offspring.  I haven't seen any desire to serve others from the Duggar offspring.  You could argue that Jill is attempting to serve others with her missionary position but I think that is just a facade-- her desire is to be with her husband as much as possible and have babies. Rather, the Duggars all seem to be choosing the pursuit of money and fame above all else, and in the case of Joshie-- hot porn tail.  It just shows how the parents of isolated children really have a lot of input as to the future.  Makes me shudder for the future of Jill Rodriguez's children.

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I think I might start sharing Jesus with telemarketers instead of telling them to put me on the DO NOT CALL list.  It might be more effective. :my_lightbulb:

I would love to hear about your product! I have a question, though; do you know where you're going when you die? 

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I would love to hear about your product! I have a question, though; do you know where you're going when you die? 

I'll be happy to answer your survey after you answer mine.  ::Administers The Good Person Test!::  :twisted:

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So, working at the homeless shelter was outside of Steve's comfort zone? As was working for someone else.  And Terri was practically unable to manage her own children without tears (hers not theirs, or maybe both).  

Why again should I take advice from people who admit they are unable to function normally day to day?
 

Is there any wonder their family is screwed up?
 

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Steve has admitted the Homeless shelter visits were Nathan's idea (formed after he was married and left home) and he'd rather not go.  He makes the most of it and likens it to other opportunities to preach, eg at checkout assistants and telemarketers. :my_rolleyes:

It's not about helping others, just satisfying his own wishes.

It is interesting that many of the chidults seem to have expressed genuine desires to serve others, albeit in ways that reflect their holier-than-thou upbringing.  Nathan set up the homeless gig, Chris wanted to be an EMT, Jesse wanted to be a missionary overseas, John actually went on a short-term mission trip. Mary and Anna spend money all year round on Christmas shoe boxes, Sarah fantasises about marrying a missionary in Africa in the Moody books.

If they were ever allowed out into the real world as youngsters they may well have developed natural altruistic feelings and motives, and contact with the outside world might have increased their ability to think critically about whether their good intentions actually meet real needs..  But ultimately, Steve heard from the Lord every single time about how being at home is their ultimate mission in life.  He has their hearts in a vice-grip and they are all right where he wants them.

Except John the rebel, maybe. ;)

I've been thinking that John may be the one who leaves. He's been the hardest one to "break", the only one allowed to leave the country, has his own irrigation business that he's well endorsed in on LinkedIn and if you look at his page, he talks about how when given the chance to go out West where it's warm and tropical wouldn't you go? He seems very coherent in his writing vs Nathan's page and I feel like he is slowly moving away from the cult of Steve. He's really the only one who can take his business anywhere and he has a real estate license. He may be preparing to leave, I have hope for John, I'm sure his conversational skills are better since he's the main one who ventures off and has seen more of the real world than his siblings. The others sadly I don't have as much hope for. 

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Even if Steveovah is wondering why his children haven't turned out the way he hoped, one thing is that he will not understand that it was his crazy decisions.  He will never take responsibility for it.  He might wonder why but never seriously look in the mirror to see the answer.

He will call it God's will and move on with his life. Except, I think he spends many hours figuring out just how much rope to give John. It seems that John has a tiny little spark of something which he refuses to let Steve extinguish. There are probably 'god told me' showdowns over every little thing.

"God said you should stay in the bosom of your family".

"Well he told me to get my business up and running because this family needs some money coming in."

Poor Steve is in agony with indecision. If the kid leaves the house he might do something not Steve approved. Like talk to an unrelated jeans wearing female or stay up after 9 pm. You know, the kind of things that lead an unchaperoned boy straight to hell.  On the other hand; money.

If Steve delivers an ultimatum then it is all over. A banished John will kill his brand dead.  Personally I think Steve would LOVE to pull that boy back into line, but he isn't a total idiot. So his only choice really is to mention nothing specific, grit his teeth and pray HARD that god sends a little helpmeet toot-sweet. Get that boy tied down with a few blessings, that'll keep him around. 

 

 

 

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Yeah, John is definitely still the problem child.  Not least because they have proudly used him, over and over, as an example of how their sheltering and homeschooling works, even on a rebel.

I wonder if John was at least part of the reason they left church completely. I was reading the Corners yesterday and they left church in Sept 2002 when John was about 10 and had caused Teri years of grief.  Nathan had married heathen Melanie in the January of 2002 and Steve was ranting about the bad influence of youth groups, amongst other things, in the corners that year. 

They never announced their move to the nursing home church at the time it happened but the month they left church, Teri wrote the corner about homeschooling where she shared the original letter to her mother about the decision, and then a reflection about hoe it all worked out.  In retrospect the Corner seems to be a clear message to Grandpa and Gig next door, that Steve was right about homescholing, and so he would be tight about leaving church too. 

Leaving church would have cut John off from friends and Sarah off from meeting military men her age, all in one fell swoop.

 

Steve probably fasted while John was at conference so he could look all gaunt and weepy on John's return, to make him feel guilty for leaving the fold.

I really want Jon_Marie's new beautician wife to introduce John to someone interesting and worldly. :my_heart:

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This is a very random post, but it seems to fit best in the thread dedicated to Steve's hypocrisy.

I was just reading an old Maxwell thread, where @MamaJunebug mentioned that Steve had moved the family to Kansas City to be closer to family and to take a job at Wilcox Electric.

Steve has said in the Corners that the Lord brought him home from Corporate America after he took a stand for Jesus in the workplace.  He expected to be fired, but the Lord blessed him and provided a redundancy payoff to enable him to be home full time.

STANDING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT
This was posted on February 1, 1998 by Steve Maxwell.

On the twenty-first of January 1997, God led me to take a stand at my job that we thought might cost me that job. Unfortunately, we were not prepared to be without an income, but we knew God would provide if that was His will. To our total amazement, the potential of losing the job dragged on all year. One day I would think I was going to be fired, and the next it would quiet down!

...

The next thing we knew, they were no longer talking about firing me. Now there was talk of laying me off. The funny thing was that this was great news since there would be some financial consideration with a layoff as opposed to being fired. We had been praying, “Lord, just make it clear to us that You really want me to leave.” What could be clearer than to have your employer lay you off? Right?

Then my employer decided to give me a choice between another job and a layoff. This was not according to our plan at all! God was supposed to make it absolutely clear by not giving us any room for a decision. This new twist brought some real earnestness to our prayers. Finally, God gave Teri and me full peace that I was to leave and come home.

I stand in awe of how the Lord has directed over the last year.

Well, I googled Wilcox Electric and it seems that the Lord also organised the same payoff for several hundred other Wilcox employees in the same couple of years! ;)

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/1997/02/17/story1.html

Less than a year after losing a big contract that caused its work force to shrink by nearly one-half, Wilcox Electric Inc. wants to sell its Kansas City, North, headquarters and hopes to relocate this summer to a smaller space in the metro area.

The company, a worldwide leader in the production of air traffic control equipment and navigation aids, employs about 350 people, down from more than 600 in January 1996

It sounds like Steve's job security, alongside everyone else's, was vulnerable because of the loss of a big government contract.  His job role survived the cut but he would have had to move to Shawnee with the relocation, and so he was offered a choice and was able to take a redundancy package instead.

His "stand" for Jesus was probably not actually on anyone's radar. It is usual for company HR departments to invite suggestions, and requests for voluntary redundancy, and then it is a waiting game as both sides wait it out to see where the cuts are made.

 Steve probably felt like the Big I Am, suggesting that his role should be eliminated on moral grounds, and the company would have filed his request politely and plodded on regardless with the task of analysing roles and costs, in a downsizing that removed 250+ jobs and relocated the other 300+.

 

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Oh Steve, the truth is that you just can't get on with other people, can you? 

 

 

 

Bless your heart. ;)

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I think John's pulling away is going to have a lot to do with whom he marries. I think he's going to walk that fine line until marriage. If he finds a girl with a lot of "spunk", I think the two will gradually pull away. If he marries a girl who is timid, he may have a hard time pulling away.

I could actually see him with someone like Jinger Duggar. Both families would love the marriage as each is nice and conservative. They'd start out in a home a couple of miles away from the Maxwell compound. Maybe even have their first kid. After a year or two, John would announce God is leading him to the SouthWest where his irrigation business would thrive. They would gradually become more conservative Christian and ditch this "fundie" stuff. Steve's head would explode and we'd rarely hear about them on the family blog.....

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Then my employer decided to give me a choice between another job and a layoff. This was not according to our plan at all! God was supposed to make it absolutely clear by not giving us any room for a decision.

Geeze, what a shitty thing for God to do to not go along with Steve's plan.  The nerve, expecting Steve and Teri to think for themselves!  What could have possibly been more important to deal with than Steve's employment options.

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It also makes me realize how little the Duggar offspring are like the Maxwell offspring.  I haven't seen any desire to serve others from the Duggar offspring.  You could argue that Jill is attempting to serve others with her missionary position but I think that is just a facade-- her desire is to be with her husband as much as possible and have babies. Rather, the Duggars all seem to be choosing the pursuit of money and fame above all else, and in the case of Joshie-- hot porn tail.  It just shows how the parents of isolated children really have a lot of input as to the future.  Makes me shudder for the future of Jill Rodriguez's children.

I don't think the Duggar kids have any desire to "serve others". They only serve when the camera's are on. I don't know if I can fault them for this as that is how they were raised. Boob and Mullet say one thing with their mouth, but act different. They don't "serve" unless the camera's are on...

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Geeze, what a shitty thing for God to do to not go along with Steve's plan.  The nerve, expecting Steve and Teri to think for themselves!  What could have possibly been more important to deal with than Steve's employment options.

Telling Steve to order a pizza?

Just imagine: a little girl in a refugee camp, having known nothing but sorrow and deprivation all her life, kneels by her thin bedroll and begins to pray. She asks God to keep her little brother healthy and to stop the war that forced her family to flee the country. Then the heavens part and God says, "Jeez, be a little more patient, kid. First off, Teri Maxwell needs a phone case, Steve Maxwell needs help making career decisions, and one of the Duggar girls needs to find a nice wedding dress. I'm a busy deity!"

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